Rolex GMT 16700 Swiss dial only

[nachopc]

Hello, I am looking at a GMT I from 1999 Swiss dial only. Does anybody knows which one is the genuine dial for 1999, somebody told me there are Swiss dials Only from service replacements….here I attached a couple of examples. Thank you





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[Jmbarrack]

I believe the Swiss only service replacements you're talking about are for the older 4 digit references where there were no white gold surrounds. I have one on my 1675.

A 5 digit dial from 1999 would have been service replaced with a "Swiss Made" dial. So I believe this is good. But I'm no expert.

There are far more knowledgeable people here who can weigh in.

This is my Swiss only service dial.

[padi56]

Originally Posted by nachopc

Hello, I am looking at a GMT I from 1999 Swiss dial only. Does anybody knows which one is the genuine dial for 1999, somebody told me there are Swiss dials Only from service replacements….here I attached a couple of examples. Thank you




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Up till 1960 Rolex used the word SWISS then dials were Radioactive Radium from around early 1960 on Rolex used T.Swiss.T less than 277 MBq (7.5mCi) and Swiss <T25 less than925 MBq (25mCi)on there dial depending on how much radioactivity Tritium they had from 1960 till mid/late 1998/9.Swiss only dials were then used with Luminova from around 1998/9 to 2000, then after 2000 back to Swiss Made with Superluminova. But many serials overlapped a year or two and in the change from Tritium to Luminova around 1998 possible into 2000 some dials were marked Tritium,but plots hands were Luminover just Rolex using up old dials. Both dials in pictures are correct for that time frame 1998 into 2000.

[nachopc]

Originally Posted by padi56

Up till 1960 Rolex used the word SWISS then dials were Radioactive Radium from around early 1960 on Rolex used T.Swiss.T less than 277 MBq (7.5mCi) and Swiss &lt;T25 less than925 MBq (25mCi)on there dial depending on how much radioactivity Tritium they had from 1960 till mid/late 1998/9.Swiss only dials were then used with Luminova from around 1998/9 to 2000, then after 2000 back to Swiss Made with Superluminova. But many serials overlapped a year or two and in the change from Tritium to Luminova around 1998 possible into 2000 some dials were marked Tritium,but plots hands were Luminover just Rolex using up old dials. Both dials in pictures are correct for that time frame 1998 into 2000.

Ok but in the two examples I sent you on the photos got different marks so how do I know is the genuine one? Thanks


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[nachopc]

Originally Posted by Jmbarrack

I believe the Swiss only service replacements you're talking about are for the older 4 digit references where there were no white gold surrounds. I have one on my 1675.

A 5 digit dial from 1999 would have been service replaced with a "Swiss Made" dial. So I believe this is good. But I'm no expert.

There are far more knowledgeable people here who can weigh in.

This is my Swiss only service dial.

Thank you


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[Tools]

Originally Posted by nachopc

Hello, I am looking at a GMT I from 1999 Swiss dial only. Does anybody knows which one is the genuine dial for 1999, somebody told me there are Swiss dials Only from service replacements….here I attached a couple of examples. Thank you

The final production years, ~'98-'99, all came with Swiss only dials.

If a 98/99 16700 with a Swiss dial was replaced with another Swiss dial you would likely not know if it was original or not.

Generally, after around 2000, most dial replacements will be Swiss Made.

[nachopc]

Thank you so much, just notice 2 different marks on the watches I enclosed and they both have different marks……


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[1665fan]

Yes both the dial you posted are different fonts…..I would go to chrono24 and look at some 1999 full set original gmts and compare…

[nachopc]

Originally Posted by 1665fan

Yes both the dial you posted are different fonts…..I would go to chrono24 and look at some 1999 full set original gmts and compare…

I did exactly that those pictures come from there, both fullset, don’t know the right one !


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[padi56]

Originally Posted by 1665fan

Yes both the dial you posted are different fonts…..I would go to chrono24 and look at some 1999 full set original gmts and compare…

Originally Posted by nachopc

I did exactly that those pictures come from there, both fullset, don’t know the right one !


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Guys in the real world dials are made in 3 different factories now all owned by Rolex, so there always has been and always be tiny variations in fonts spacing etc to most all Rolex dials over the production years.

[ancientmariner]

Off track a bit, but if you were considering the two examples, the second one has an after-market bezel insert.

[Stan Cooper]

Originally Posted by ancientmariner

Off track a bit, but if you were considering the two examples, the second one has an after-market bezel insert.

I spotted that too; the pepsi insert is aftermarket (hooked 2s and 22 not curved to the bezel radius, but a straight line).

[~Haze~]

Originally Posted by ancientmariner

Off track a bit, but if you were considering the two examples, the second one has an after-market bezel insert.

Are you sure it’s just the bezel? The dial particularly the surrounds of the indicies look weak and also the crystal looks a little too reflective along with a blurry Cyclopes.


**disclaimer I am not terribly familiar with 4 and 5 digit gmts. But when I saw the pics a few Desilva jumped out at me. Especially compared to the ln.

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[nachopc]

Originally Posted by Stan Cooper

I spotted that too; the pepsi insert is aftermarket (hooked 2s and 22 not curved to the bezel radius, but a straight line).

Oh WoW it’s on CH24 for sale!!!!!


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[nachopc]

Originally Posted by padi56

Guys in the real world dials are made in 3 different factories now all owned by Rolex, so there always has been and always be tiny variations in fonts spacing etc to most all Rolex dials over the production years.

Thank you !


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