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Zed · 1 June 2009, 06:37 PM

I came across a Black Seal with Pig and i was considering buying it. when i looked closer it was an H series one of 1500 with a clear back.. so it could not be a PAM292 which is covered back.. whereby they ran few with the pig at the first launch in 2006 - I series.. and this one with the pig is highly sought after... around 14,000 usd.

I can only assume that the watch i am looking at is the PAM183 (4000usd) but privatly PVD coated which makes sence.. but the PIG.. it is there stearing at me and i connot find any reference with a pig on the 183????? guys what do you make of this.. anyone with a bit of insight..??? could i be looking at a very good replica.. with an oversight pig?? or am i missing something??

here are the pix..

niels74 · 1 June 2009, 07:13 PM

clearly smth is wrong here, it seems to be fake, the 183 as far as i know has never been produced with the Pig, this only comes with the 292 , next to that the 1st production Run off the 292 is in 07 , what makes this a J serial, there is no H serial run for this watch. The 183 has got a production run off 1500 in its H-series , but indeed again does not come with a Pig.
Also i dont see the stainless steel notification on the case back and the OP logo what you will also find on the case back, so i would stay well clear off it.

Lamone · 1 June 2009, 07:15 PM

Lots of fakes out there, beware!

Zed · 1 June 2009, 07:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by niels74

Also i dont see the stainless steel notification on the case back and the OP logo what you will also find on the case back, so i would stay well clear off it.

I agree.. i missed that part... i just found a picture of a PVDed 183 and you can clearly see the stainless steel marking at the back.. ty

Trurolexer · 1 June 2009, 09:28 PM

Becareful, many fakes out there. Even they already can made fakes 292!!!
DAMN!!!

karmatp · 1 June 2009, 11:47 PM

Sorry for my Panerai noobness, but what the heck is the PIG.

I know, I know......

mfer · 2 June 2009, 12:12 AM

The pig is the two man open sub that you see on the dial

GBJIV · 2 June 2009, 12:50 AM

Zed, I Believe this is fake, fake fake...

Trevor, this is a Pig Dial...

http://www.imagekind.com/showartwork...a-82ebfb38a965

louie · 2 June 2009, 12:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by karmatp

Sorry for my Panerai noobness, but what the heck is the PIG.

I know, I know......

this is my Pig,

Tony-GB · 2 June 2009, 03:46 AM

I've already covered this in the "watch out" section:

http://www.rolexforums.com/showthread.php?t=81891

The first photo from the eBay scam is stolen from watches.co.uk archive:

http://www.watches.co.uk/watch.php?wid=0648P

Note the time, the crown & how the eBay scam has been cropped.

Cool Hand Luke · 2 June 2009, 05:13 AM

Clearly something 'not right' about this watch and best avoided i'd say.

With reference to the posts earlier stating that there was no 'stainless steel notification on the case back' - i wouldnt have expected that on a genuine 292 anyway as its my understanding that the case is ceramic.

niels74 · 2 June 2009, 03:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cool Hand Luke

Clearly something 'not right' about this watch and best avoided i'd say.

With reference to the posts earlier stating that there was no 'stainless steel notification on the case back' - i wouldnt have expected that on a genuine 292 anyway as its my understanding that the case is ceramic.

Loui - great picks ..

Indeed the 292 has got a ceramic case, the 183 or the other will have the stainless steel notification and the OP logo.. fakes are all over the place unfortunatelly , but that is similair to any brand..

Zed · 2 June 2009, 05:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by louie

this is my Pig,

WOW louie... where do you keep it??? i want one

.. it's got my name written all over it hahahah

Z Z Z

Cool Hand Luke · 4 June 2009, 04:46 AM

If this is the fake 292 thats on ebay at the moment then it looks like its currently sitting about £1850!?

1 June 2009, 06:37 PM	#1
Zed Member Join Date: May 2009 Location: UK Watch: Panerai 186 & 233 Posts: 489	Something does not add up.. guys can u help?? I came across a Black Seal with Pig and i was considering buying it. when i looked closer it was an H series one of 1500 with a clear back.. so it could not be a PAM292 which is covered back.. whereby they ran few with the pig at the first launch in 2006 - I series.. and this one with the pig is highly sought after... around 14,000 usd. I can only assume that the watch i am looking at is the PAM183 (4000usd) but privatly PVD coated which makes sence.. but the PIG.. it is there stearing at me and i connot find any reference with a pig on the 183????? guys what do you make of this.. anyone with a bit of insight..??? could i be looking at a very good replica.. with an oversight pig?? or am i missing something?? here are the pix.. Attached Images

1 June 2009, 11:47 PM	#6
karmatp "TRF" Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Real Name: Trevor Location: Arizona Posts: 5,740	Sorry for my Panerai noobness, but what the heck is the PIG. I know, I know...... __________________ My grails:

2 June 2009, 12:12 AM	#7
mfer "TRF" Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Real Name: Mik Location: USA Posts: 13,724	The pig is the two man open sub that you see on the dial __________________ member#3242

2 June 2009, 12:50 AM	#8
GBJIV "TRF" Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Real Name: Jackson Location: So. California Posts: 2,893	Zed, I Believe this is fake, fake fake... Trevor, this is a Pig Dial... http://www.imagekind.com/showartwork...a-82ebfb38a965 __________________ Jackson

2 June 2009, 03:46 AM	#10
Tony-GB "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Real Name: Tony Location: Oxfordshire, UK Watch: 116680 & 116622 Posts: 3,953	I've already covered this in the "watch out" section: http://www.rolexforums.com/showthread.php?t=81891 The first photo from the eBay scam is stolen from watches.co.uk archive: http://www.watches.co.uk/watch.php?wid=0648P Note the time, the crown & how the eBay scam has been cropped. __________________ "...why oh why, didn't I take the blue pill...?" http://www.helenanddouglas.org.uk/ www.cheetah.org

1 June 2009, 07:13 PM	#2
niels74 Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Siberia,yes it is Posts: 640	clearly smth is wrong here, it seems to be fake, the 183 as far as i know has never been produced with the Pig, this only comes with the 292 , next to that the 1st production Run off the 292 is in 07 , what makes this a J serial, there is no H serial run for this watch. The 183 has got a production run off 1500 in its H-series , but indeed again does not come with a Pig. Also i dont see the stainless steel notification on the case back and the OP logo what you will also find on the case back, so i would stay well clear off it.

1 June 2009, 07:15 PM	#3
Lamone Banned Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: NYC Watch: ya mawt! Posts: 3,448	Lots of fakes out there, beware!

1 June 2009, 09:28 PM	#5
Trurolexer Banned Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: USA Watch: 5513MaxiI+PreComex Posts: 18,421	Becareful, many fakes out there. Even they already can made fakes 292!!! DAMN!!!

2 June 2009, 05:13 AM	#11
Cool Hand Luke Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: UK Posts: 45	Clearly something 'not right' about this watch and best avoided i'd say. With reference to the posts earlier stating that there was no 'stainless steel notification on the case back' - i wouldnt have expected that on a genuine 292 anyway as its my understanding that the case is ceramic.

4 June 2009, 04:46 AM	#14
Cool Hand Luke Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: UK Posts: 45	If this is the fake 292 thats on ebay at the moment then it looks like its currently sitting about £1850!?

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