Yachtmaster Questions

[829maxx]

Hey All!

I’ve been a watch enthusiast for a number of years, however I’ve always tried to avoid Rolex for no other reason than they are just too “popular”. My knowledge of Rolex and their model line is nowhere near the knowledge I have on other brands such as Omega, Grand Seiko, Zenith, and other brands I’ve owned/been a fan of.

Anyway, I’ve been warming up to the idea of finally purchasing a Rolex and I’ve been eyeing a Yachtmaster because I like the look and colorways they offer. I’m looking Pre-owned and the two I seem most drawn to are the Rhodium dial with blue accent (116622) at around $15k as well as the grey dial with red accent (16622) at around $10k.

My first question is how are these two models viewed in the Rolex community and are they respected models for their respective price points? Also, why is the grey dial 16622 so much cheaper than all other colorways? I understand it’s a 5 digit which means it’s a little older than some of the newer models, but they seem to be much cheaper than any others I see.

Would love some honest feedback from you guys!


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[OrangeSport]

They are perhaps not quite so “mainstream” as some of the most popular models, but it’s what you like that matters

I dislike some of the most popular models

The 5 digit has the older bracelet which is super reliable but some people dislike it, especially the clasp. That could account for a chunk of the price difference

[829maxx]

Thanks! When you say it’s not as popular as other models, are you referring to other Rolex models or other Yachtmaster models?


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[chocopeluche]

people are sheep and want to follow trends. If some big famous watch celebrity all of a sudden had a 16622 in their collection they'd be all over it. That model is an incredible ref, the dial is a solid slice of platinum and its sand blasted finish gives it an intense sparkle. Definitely worth getting at any price.

[RolLee]

Originally Posted by chocopeluche

people are sheep and want to follow trends. If some big famous watch celebrity all of a sudden had a 16622 in their collection they'd be all over it. That model is an incredible ref, the dial is a solid slice of platinum and its sand blasted finish gives it an intense sparkle. Definitely worth getting at any price.

Lol, so true. And agreed, it’s a great piece! Buy what YOU like.

[829maxx]

Originally Posted by chocopeluche

people are sheep and want to follow trends. If some big famous watch celebrity all of a sudden had a 16622 in their collection they'd be all over it. That model is an incredible ref, the dial is a solid slice of platinum and its sand blasted finish gives it an intense sparkle. Definitely worth getting at any price.

I’m definitely not trying to follow trends. I do really like the look of the 16622 but just curious as to why it seems to be 20%+ cheaper than all other colorways.


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[Firex]

I have the 116622 and love it. Was my first Rolex and is still the most comfortable. The blue dial is amazing and the bezel is beautiful. Afterwards I discovered it is not as popular because ppl are concerned with the bezel being easy to scratch, seems lost between a dress watch and a true tool watch, and is priced higher (at retail anyway) than other sports Rolex’s which are more popular (have greater grey market appreciation). Since then I’ve picked up the GMT2 BLNR and Exp 1 39 mark 2. Don’t wear my YM as much, wear more as my dress watch/special occasions. Exp 1 is my daily as I wanted something under the radar for work, and BLNR my weekend watch. Now trying my luck to get a Sub as the new one looks perfect. At the end of the day, buy what you like. Probably won’t be your only Rolex.

[829maxx]

Originally Posted by Firex

I have the 116622 and love it. Was my first Rolex and is still the most comfortable. The blue dial is amazing and the bezel is beautiful. Afterwards I discovered it is not as popular because ppl are concerned with the bezel being easy to scratch, seems lost between a dress watch and a true tool watch, and is priced higher (at retail anyway) than other sports Rolex’s which are more popular (have greater grey market appreciation). Since then I’ve picked up the GMT2 BLNR and Exp 1 39 mark 2. Don’t wear my YM as much, wear more as my dress watch/special occasions. Exp 1 is my daily as I wanted something under the radar for work, and BLNR my weekend watch. Now trying my luck to get a Sub as the new one looks perfect. At the end of the day, buy what you like. Probably won’t be your only Rolex.

Much appreciated for the info and your insight!


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[tike71]

Originally Posted by 829maxx

I’m definitely not trying to follow trends. I do really like the look of the 16622 but just curious as to why it seems to be 20%+ cheaper than all other colorways.


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The platinum dial on the 16622 is flat and doesn't pop like the rhodium and blue sunburst dials. Also, the clasp is the older style.

[chocopeluche]

Originally Posted by tike71

The platinum dial on the 16622 is flat and doesn't pop like the rhodium and blue sunburst dials. Also, the clasp is the older style.

not true ! it has an intense sparkle. It has a different shimmer than a sunburst but imo its more bling than the new refs.

[joli160]

Originally Posted by chocopeluche

not true ! it has an intense sparkle. It has a different shimmer than a sunburst but imo its more bling than the new refs.

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[Little machines]

These are great watches ! I agree with the other posts , you will benefit$$ because you're not following trends just buying what you like. Good luck ! You will enjoy either watch and they are sporty, dressy time pieces.

[mfserge]

YM Rhodium is my favorite Rolex. The case fits my wrist perfectly. The lugs are sloped and contours very similar to a Daytona case. The rhodium dial with light blue accents is really eye catching, I love it. Just a couple years ago the YMs were over looked in the lineup but they have become more popular of late, and rightfully so.

[Donkos]

Do not marry for glory. Choose what you like.

[Shaitan]

The bezel scratches easily and can’t be polished, only downside to this watch. And the bezel click when you turn it is almost inaudible, it’s very muted compared to a submariner. No satisfying clicking sounds.
Otherwise a great watch. And the big digits on the bezel - they should have used the submariner size font. Makes it look a bit toy like. Same than a GMT


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[alphadweller]

Originally Posted by 829maxx

I’m definitely not trying to follow trends. I do really like the look of the 16622 but just curious as to why it seems to be 20%+ cheaper than all other colorways.


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You're comparing the 116622 slate dial (ex-rhodium) with the 16622 platinum dial. A fairer comparison would be 116622 slate vs 116622 pt, you'll find that the pt is 12% cheaper, significant nonetheless. On the reasons for the lower preowned price despite the higher retail price at the time, it's purely down to demand and taste, some people don't like the all platinum albinos look and tend to prefer sunburst dials.

The 116622 pt dial is not as easy to find as the 16622. The former was made from 2013 to 2016 (then replaced by the slate/rhodium dial), the latter from 1999 to 2013.

The advantage of the 116622 over the 16622 is the solid links bracelet and fully milled out clasp as already mentioned in this thread, but also the blue chromalight (lasts longer) and the blue parachrom hairspring (amagnetic). Other improvements were introduced throughout the lifespan of the 16622, like the Paraflex shock absorber, replacing the Kif from the first 16622s. So all 116622s have the Paraflex, not all 16622s.

The pt dial is very subtle. It will only gently sparkle under a strong light, it's ideal on a sunny day. On an overcast day, it will look kind of dull, but I also see beauty in that all-grey toned down look. The slate/rhodium sunburst dial on the other hand will pop a lot more and has a more showy kind of beauty to it, which I also love. So, it depends on the effect you like better for your next watch. I wear my 116622 pt dial a lot at the office during the week, it's discreet. At the weekend I tend to fancy something that pops, so I would normally wear my TT blue Sub, but not always, depends on the mood I'm in.

Things to bear in mind with the pt bezel. It scratches if you're not careful, but can be refinished to like new condition by the RSC as part of an overhaul (included in the cost), as long as it's not broken or badly damaged (deep scratches and nicks). Superficial scuffs from regular wear are fine. If you badly damage it, it's 3 grand to replace where I live, according to my local RSC. Don't let this deter you, the 16622 / 116622 are fantastic pieces, comfortable, with a stylish rounded case and curved lugs, and it's very versatile, can be worn with virtually any attire.

Good luck with the hunt and keep us posted!

[brandrea]

Originally Posted by alphadweller

You're comparing the 116622 slate dial (ex-rhodium) with the 16622 platinum dial. A fairer comparison would be 116622 slate vs 116622 pt, you'll find that the pt is 12% cheaper, significant nonetheless. On the reasons for the lower preowned price despite the higher retail price at the time, it's purely down to demand and taste, some people don't like the all platinum albinos look and tend to prefer sunburst dials.

The 116622 pt dial is not as easy to find as the 16622. The former was made from 2013 to 2016 (then replaced by the slate/rhodium dial), the latter from 1999 to 2013.

The advantage of the 116622 over the 16622 is the solid links bracelet and fully milled out clasp as already mentioned in this thread, but also the blue chromalight (lasts longer) and the blue parachrom hairspring (amagnetic). Other improvements were introduced throughout the lifespan of the 16622, like the Paraflex shock absorber, replacing the Kif from the first 16622s. So all 116622s have the Paraflex, not all 16622s.

The pt dial is very subtle. It will only gently sparkle under a strong light, it's ideal on a sunny day. On an overcast day, it will look kind of dull, but I also see beauty in that all-grey toned down look. The slate/rhodium sunburst dial on the other hand will pop a lot more and has a more showy kind of beauty to it, which I also love. So, it depends on the effect you like better for your next watch. I wear my 116622 pt dial a lot at the office during the week, it's discreet. At the weekend I tend to fancy something that pops, so I would normally wear my TT blue Sub, but not always, depends on the mood I'm in.

Things to bear in mind with the pt bezel. It scratches if you're not careful, but can be refinished to like new condition by the RSC as part of an overhaul (included in the cost), as long as it's not broken or badly damaged (deep scratches and nicks). Superficial scuffs from regular wear are fine. If you badly damage it, it's 3 grand to replace where I live, according to my local RSC. Don't let this deter you, the 16622 / 116622 are fantastic pieces, comfortable, with a stylish rounded case and curved lugs, and it's very versatile, can be worn with virtually any attire.

Good luck with the hunt and keep us posted!

Wonderful photos

[alphadweller]

Originally Posted by brandrea

Wonderful photos

Thanks Brian!

[joli160]

Some more info about 5 digit vs 6 digit;

The 16622 has always had a solid bracelet and solid end links, it was the first Rolex fitted with this upgraded bracelet.
The 5 digit uses the old style clasp but any 6 digit 11 series clasp fits as well. I ‘upgraded’ it with a DJ Oyster milled clasp with easy link for the modern feel.

There are three different Pt dials of which I find the newest on the 6 digit the least attractive because it shimmers less in the sun.
This same dial was also fitted on the 5 digit YM at about the time the rehaut engraving started.

As for the bezel, I have worn mine as a daily for a long time and no scratches.
It’s not that vulnerable as some claim it to be.
A bezel refurbish is cheap and can be done by some independents as well as the RSC. It’s not a DIY job.

The oldest YM with fat font YM print and sparkling coarse dial is the one to get imho. Very underrated and relatively cheap.
With its Daytona style case and nicely rounded lugs perhaps the most comfortable watch Rolex has ever made.

Below the 2nd generation dial 5 digit, coarse but fine YM print on a Super Jubilee and a roulette date wheel

[alphadweller]

Originally Posted by joli160

Some more info about 5 digit vs 6 digit;



The 16622 has always had a solid bracelet and solid end links, it was the first Rolex fitted with this upgraded bracelet.

I knew the 16622 had solid end links, didn’t know it had solid bracelet, thanks for clarifying.
Looks great with the modded red date and jubilee bracelet.

[AaronMST]

I think that these are both beautiful watches. I have a 116621, so I am not sure how the weight will compare to the model you want. But, I can say that the YM is a very comfortable watch to wear (part of this may come from the 2 tone style of my watch leading to more evenly distributed weight, but also, the edges seem smoother than my other watches - all of which are stainless only). Personally, I like the red accents, but the blue is very cool too.

There is nothing wrong with getting a good deal on a watch you like - as others people have said, its all about what you like - you are going to look at it the most!

You might try to talk to an AD about a new model. YMs tend to be a little easier for them to get (so I am told). I bought mine out of the case in 2020.

[telesquire]

Old school Fat YM Font checking in here!



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[joli160]

Originally Posted by telesquire

beautiful

[829maxx]

Originally Posted by joli160

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That looks nice!


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[829maxx]

Originally Posted by alphadweller

You're comparing the 116622 slate dial (ex-rhodium) with the 16622 platinum dial. A fairer comparison would be 116622 slate vs 116622 pt, you'll find that the pt is 12% cheaper, significant nonetheless. On the reasons for the lower preowned price despite the higher retail price at the time, it's purely down to demand and taste, some people don't like the all platinum albinos look and tend to prefer sunburst dials.

The 116622 pt dial is not as easy to find as the 16622. The former was made from 2013 to 2016 (then replaced by the slate/rhodium dial), the latter from 1999 to 2013.

The advantage of the 116622 over the 16622 is the solid links bracelet and fully milled out clasp as already mentioned in this thread, but also the blue chromalight (lasts longer) and the blue parachrom hairspring (amagnetic). Other improvements were introduced throughout the lifespan of the 16622, like the Paraflex shock absorber, replacing the Kif from the first 16622s. So all 116622s have the Paraflex, not all 16622s.

The pt dial is very subtle. It will only gently sparkle under a strong light, it's ideal on a sunny day. On an overcast day, it will look kind of dull, but I also see beauty in that all-grey toned down look. The slate/rhodium sunburst dial on the other hand will pop a lot more and has a more showy kind of beauty to it, which I also love. So, it depends on the effect you like better for your next watch. I wear my 116622 pt dial a lot at the office during the week, it's discreet. At the weekend I tend to fancy something that pops, so I would normally wear my TT blue Sub, but not always, depends on the mood I'm in.

Things to bear in mind with the pt bezel. It scratches if you're not careful, but can be refinished to like new condition by the RSC as part of an overhaul (included in the cost), as long as it's not broken or badly damaged (deep scratches and nicks). Superficial scuffs from regular wear are fine. If you badly damage it, it's 3 grand to replace where I live, according to my local RSC. Don't let this deter you, the 16622 / 116622 are fantastic pieces, comfortable, with a stylish rounded case and curved lugs, and it's very versatile, can be worn with virtually any attire.

Good luck with the hunt and keep us posted!

Great info! Thank you!


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[arche3]

I have a 16622. It's a lovely watch. Wears great as it doesn't scream Rolex like a sub.

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[alphadweller]

Originally Posted by 829maxx

Great info! Thank you!


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My pleasure!

[Fedor]

116622 platinum dial pops like old school jazz on a summer day, almost like hot concrete with a touch of creame…..whereas the new Rhodium pops like a techno party in 2067, on acid. Both these dials are beautiful and a lot more alive than a standard sub or gmt.

The older refs (16622) has a more ”crystalized” dial compared to the 116622. As someone mentioned earlier, the older fat fonts with coarse dials are creme de la cream.

IMO, the best combo is a 116622 mounted with a fat font/coarse dial from the early 16622s. That’s one hell of a sexy watch right there….

Yacht-Master = sublime