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Old 6 August 2022, 07:00 PM   #61
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You mean 60 years old? GS and KS weren't around in 1952.
Yes, sorry. My maths isn’t what it used to be. Lol.
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Old 7 August 2022, 10:48 AM   #62
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Yes, sorry. My maths isn’t what it used to be. Lol.
I'm sure they'll still be running just fine in another ten years anyway. Most of my vintage GS and KS have done, too
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Old 7 August 2022, 12:22 PM   #63
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Grand Seiko for me, love their watches. Finishing, materials, build quality are superb. Of course their dials there's no comparison for me. Spring drive and 9F's are ridiculously accurate.
After GS, huge fan of Omega.
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Old 7 August 2022, 04:53 PM   #64
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My main concern is omega to Rolex comparison and wonder to myself if people with speedies see a Daytona and feel sad they didn’t get one.
Nope. I find the Daytona to be a seriously unattractive watch. The Speedy isn't my favorite either but it's a lot nicer to my eye.

Also, to your initial question, check out Oris. Royal Jewelers in Andover sells them, and The Watchmaker in Stoneham is the authorized Oris repair center. I'm very happy with the Diver 65.
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Old 7 August 2022, 10:18 PM   #65
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They can't be too sad with an extra $35K in their pocket and a speedy on the wrist.
aint that the truth
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Old 7 August 2022, 10:21 PM   #66
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I think omega is very close to Rolex. Reliability, ruggedness, accuracy, functionality, finishing. Praises there.

Maybe lacking in brand but I am impressed with what omega is putting out.


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Old 8 August 2022, 02:11 AM   #67
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They do, though... It's called the Polaris.

Also you can check out the Master Control line... not the greatest water resistance and no bracelet, but pretty sporty. I just tried one on recently, but I felt it was too big for my wrist.

Another one top on my list that I forgot was the GO SeaQ. I prefer the 39mm variant, but the Panodate is larger at 43mm (not for me).
Master Control recently released some new bracelet versions that are really quite striking: https://www.jaeger-lecoultre.com/us-...steel-q4148120
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Old 8 August 2022, 02:27 AM   #68
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Have agree in many ways far superior in build quality than Rolex but today many wear the name on the dial not the watch.
Absolutely. Buying, owning, collecting and wearing a watch should evoke emotion. It’s subjective and personal. Build quality, it’s hard to choose a dud at the 5-10k price point. OP don’t underestimate your personal preference in addition to build quality.
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Old 8 August 2022, 02:38 AM   #69
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Glashütte Original and Grand Seiko. Beautiful designs, amazing build quality and great deals on the secondary market.


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Old 8 August 2022, 03:08 AM   #70
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Agree with all the advice on thread, with special emphasis on Blancpain and Glashutte Original. Will only add Sinn to the mix, since I didn’t see it mentioned earlier. Lower price point, but robust and aesthetically similar to Rolex.
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Old 8 August 2022, 03:14 AM   #71
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I know they have not been in favor lately, but I still find the bang for your buck with certain panerai models on the secondary market, is almost second to none. My Pam 233, purchased privately for $6200, has an 8 day manual movement, GMT function, am/pm indicator, sandwich dial, killer lume, power reserve indicator, exhibition case back, hacking seconds, quick change strap feature, and looks great. Great complications, strong styling, and IMO robust movements that can be abused both in and out of the water makes it hard to beat at that price point.
Totally agree. Never thought I’d like Panerai, but once in hand, beautiful watches. Got a smokin deal on a 510 to dip my toe in the brand, waiting for my new Panerai 422 to clear customs. There are some incredible deals on the second hand market.

My 510 hasn’t come off my wrist since I got it.
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Old 11 August 2022, 12:52 AM   #72
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New Omegas are great, but the Speedy (at least the 1861 movement Moonwatch) is not anywhere near as high quality feeling as their other watches, the movement is also pretty inaccurate relative to other major brands, I experienced 11 seconds fast a day out of the box, have not experienced the new movement speedy, maybe it feels better, and certainly the movement is much improved.

If you want a nice chrono that is not a Daytona, Zenith or some sort, Omega Planet Ocean or Seamaster 300 are great and the Master Chronometer movements keep excellent time. Blancpain's Fifty Fathoms are also very nice, I'm not a fan of the styling of the Bathyscaphe and the non Bathyschaphe ones are 45mm, so some may find them to big.
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Old 11 August 2022, 01:28 AM   #73
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I'm not actually sure that other luxury brands match Rolex in durability, build quality, or manufacturing tolerances -- with the possible exception of Tudor, since Rolex is behind those. But assuming you aren't abusing the watch, good options are:

Omega
Grand Seiko
top-end Seiko Prospex models
Blancpain
Breitling
JLC
Zenith
Glashutte Original
IWC
Panerai
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Old 12 August 2022, 01:09 AM   #74
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I love the omega seamaster 300. I got mine in titanium and rose gold and I think it can compete with the two tone Rolex sub without the big secondary market price tag

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Old 12 August 2022, 05:17 AM   #75
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I was looking at omega aqua terra worldtimer actually but also like speedies. My main concern is omega to Rolex comparison and wonder to myself if people with speedies see a Daytona and feel sad they didn’t get one


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Old 12 August 2022, 07:38 AM   #76
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It's all personal preference. I like:
- old eta based panerais (000, 005, 111, 112 etc.). New in-house ones have become very expensive recently and I think quality is not what it used to be (loads of Internet articles on this)
- Glashutte Original Seaq - awesome but expensive. Terrible resale if you change your mind.
- Tudor - BB58 and pro both seem great, especially for the price. They are on my list.
- Longines Spirit line - I bought the 42mm black dial on leather recently (non-GMT) at 30% off (~£1350) and its amazing! Best value watch on the market in my view (and yes, that includes Tudor!).
- Certain Seiko/GS models. Bit of a mixed bag in many ways - best to go very cheap (e.g. srp Turtle) or very high end I reckon! Longines is better in the midrange.

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Old 18 August 2022, 04:19 AM   #77
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Movement finishing, unless you have a see through caseback, you have to imagine. Movement construction, Rolex has spent years up grading their movements: 1200 series, 1500 series,2000 series, the 3000 series, and all are designed to be functional rather than aesthetic. Omega produces excellent watches, trading on a long history. Their biggest problem, they are part of a conglomerate having numerous brands. All the brand managers fighting for a larger slice of the budget. Cartier is interesting, part of a conglomerate, but enjoys a world wide recognition value for luxury.
How many people purchase a brand name on a dial, how many purchase for a specific movement?


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Old 18 August 2022, 05:26 AM   #78
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This for me. Every bit as robust.

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Old 18 August 2022, 06:31 AM   #79
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I know they have not been in favor lately, but I still find the bang for your buck with certain panerai models on the secondary market, is almost second to none. My Pam 233, purchased privately for $6200, has an 8 day manual movement, GMT function, am/pm indicator, sandwich dial, killer lume, power reserve indicator, exhibition case back, hacking seconds, quick change strap feature, and looks great. Great complications, strong styling, and IMO robust movements that can be abused both in and out of the water makes it hard to beat at that price point.
I agree. Panerai makes a fine watch. So does Ball.
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Old 26 August 2022, 03:29 AM   #80
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Hands down without a doubt Grand Seiko. I own both Rolex and GS.
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Old 2 September 2022, 10:56 AM   #81
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This one right here….. love it!
Have had multiple Rolex models over decades and currently have sd4k.
This is the old (better fitting)case planet ocean with liquid metal ceramic bezel and dial.
This POLMLE is equal to or better than Rolex subs/SD.





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