RM suggestions?

[rolexfanforlife]

Hi all, thinking about getting my first RM and was wondering two things:

1) what is a good base RM to start with? Not looking to break the bank, but want something that will be iconic for the brand (so I think I want a tonneau shaped case). I was looking at RM005,010, would love 67 02 but a bit too expensive. Any other ideas? Going grey
2) I would be trading a few watches in— just want to hear people’s thoughts on if it is worth consolidating for an RM/whether RM is actually worth the price


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[GB-man]

If you’re going to spend 6 figures and you want something more unique my advice is buy an FPJ or MB&F. That’s mainly on the strength of their products and my confidence in FP and Max.

If you must buy a RM I like the 67-01 but I think long term it’s a mistake relative to what’s out there. Particularly their lower end stuff is a huge yawn. Again just my opinion which is worth what I charged…nada

[HMHM]

I generally agree with what GB-man stated.

I actually registered interest for both the 67-01 and 67-02 last November 21. Felt the watches were innovative back then and its strong association with Formula 1 (Leclerc, Scuderia Ferrari, McLaren etc). However, as time goes by, I reflected on the watches and its competitors at that price range and can't help feeling a little underwhelmed by it. I tried the 67-01 at the boutique and the watch though well constructed, felt a little lightweight on the wrist. I feel that FPJ might stand the test of time better than RM.

If you really want a RM, consider the 67-01 or 67-02.

[eiesh]

Originally Posted by rolexfanforlife

Hi all, thinking about getting my first RM and was wondering two things:

1) what is a good base RM to start with? Not looking to break the bank, but want something that will be iconic for the brand (so I think I want a tonneau shaped case). I was looking at RM005,010, would love 67 02 but a bit too expensive. Any other ideas? Going grey
2) I would be trading a few watches in— just want to hear people’s thoughts on if it is worth consolidating for an RM/whether RM is actually worth the price


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If you do decide you want to go the Journe route, start building your relationship ASAP cuz whatever you watch you decide on, might not arrive until 2-4 years from the time you expressed interest.

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[gliazzurri]

Isn’t the answer to #2 really if you think it is worth it and not if others do? You will get all sorts of answers on that one. It sounds like you do since you are interested so why not go for it then? That’s what I would say.

Also to the other responses, I feel like RM and FPJ are hard to compare, no? Price aside they seem to be two totally different concepts, customers and design ethos.

I’d say if you love it then go for it.

[HMHM]

Originally Posted by gliazzurri

Isn’t the answer to #2 really if you think it is worth it and not if others do? You will get all sorts of answers on that one. It sounds like you do since you are interested so why not go for it then? That’s what I would say.

Also to the other responses, I feel like RM and FPJ are hard to compare, no? Price aside they seem to be two totally different concepts, customers and design ethos.

I’d say if you love it then go for it.

I would agree that they are different, but at that price point they are alternatives to each other. RM is very innovative in terms of material usage - NTPT, Titanium etc but it does feel a little like the old days of Franck Muller. Immensely popular back in the 2000s with the tonneau case but not really much going for it now. The classic Journe should be able to stand the test of time better versus the outlandish exuberant RM. That’s what the classics are for, isn’t it?

But ultimately, it comes down to OP. RM is a great watch as well but since your question is whether it’s worth the price point, I would say there are better alternatives.

[Armis]

Gliazzurri’s above points speak the best to your questions, but HMHM also offers an important cautionary tale of Muller pieces (if factoring in value retention). That being said, if indeed set on an RM piece then it would behoove you to try those pieces on at a grey dealer if possible. This is most important in comparing the thinner 67-01 and-02 pieces to the other much thicker pieces you mention. As others have said, the 67-01 checks many boxes in terms of RM shape/design as well as versatility depending on the strap you put on. But all RMs fit very nicely and have a unique personality compared to other brands at that price point. In the final analysis, since you would be paying a significant premium above whatever the msrp was for these pieces, consider your choice carefully and again see if you can try any on first.
Good luck.

[mspeed76]

67 02 price has held up great.

the most iconic are 35 55 11 (I find the 11s too thick)

how about the original 35 baby nadal

[rolexfanforlife]

Thanks all! FPJ is on my radar too, but it has a different feel than RM. really considering the RM005 the most right now- if anyone has specific thought on that model, please let me know. Thanks

[7sins]

Originally Posted by rolexfanforlife

Thanks all! FPJ is on my radar too, but it has a different feel than RM. really considering the RM005 the most right now- if anyone has specific thought on that model, please let me know. Thanks

The rm005 was my very first RM and IMO wears too small. I traded that in quickly for a rm010 and was much happier with the proportions. RM010/RM029 would be my vote in that price range, I do think it is worth the stretch to the RM030 but I have a slight bias. Few photos of my RMs that hopefully helps in your journey.

RM005


RM010


rm030

[rolexfanforlife]

Originally Posted by 7sins

The rm005 was my very first RM and IMO wears too small. I traded that in quickly for a rm010 and was much happier with the proportions. RM010/RM029 would be my vote in that price range, I do think it is worth the stretch to the RM030 but I have a slight bias. Few photos of my RMs that hopefully helps in your journey.

RM005


RM010


rm030

Thanks! May I ask your wrist size? I have a small wrist (6.5inch)

[maciej]

Originally Posted by 7sins

The rm005 was my very first RM and IMO wears too small. I traded that in quickly for a rm010 and was much happier with the proportions. RM010/RM029 would be my vote in that price range, I do think it is worth the stretch to the RM030 but I have a slight bias. Few photos of my RMs that hopefully helps in your journey.

rm030

We need to get you a white crown guard lol

[7sins]

Originally Posted by rolexfanforlife

Thanks! May I ask your wrist size? I have a small wrist (6.5inch)

Same size ~6.6"

Originally Posted by maciej

We need to get you a white crown guard lol

Lol I know, I change straps so often but too lazy to change the crown guard, yours looks great!

[maciej]

Originally Posted by 7sins

Same size ~6.6"



Lol I know, I change straps so often but too lazy to change the crown guard, yours looks great!

It takes a minute to do, you won’t regret it. Transforms the look of the watch, especially yours with the rose gold.

Side note, my wrist is the same size as well.

[Bloomberg]

Given the huge sell off on the RM market, I am also considering the purchase of a RM.
Difficult to decide between RM010 and RM67-01. 10 is more iconic proportion, 67 is more versatile and chic.

[Armis]

Originally Posted by 7sins

The rm005 was my very first RM and IMO wears too small. I traded that in quickly for a rm010 and was much happier with the proportions. RM010/RM029 would be my vote in that price range, I do think it is worth the stretch to the RM030 but I have a slight bias. Few photos of my RMs that hopefully helps in your journey.

Hi B,
Your comparative pics are very helpful. Can you clarify what are the key differences between the RM010 v. RM030 for you? They appear close in size (but 030 a little bigger?) and design/complication. So what is it that made the 030 worth the stretch for you?
Thanks.

[7sins]

Originally Posted by Armis

Hi B,
Your comparative pics are very helpful. Can you clarify what are the key differences between the RM010 v. RM030 for you? They appear close in size (but 030 a little bigger?) and design/complication. So what is it that made the 030 worth the stretch for you?
Thanks.

You are welcome, always happy to help. From a complication perspective, the RM030 has two main differences. One is the power reserve and the second is the inclusion of a declutchable rotor which is innovative in the sense of ensuring always the right amount of spring tension to the movement. Does the latter make a meaningful difference? No, probably not. From an aesthetic standpoint a few differences. The rm010 is entirely RG, the RM030 is RG plates with a titanium case, I subjectively like the contrast.

The RM030 movement is more skeletonized/transparent IE you can see through more of the dial. The rm030 footprint is also larger than the rm010 both lug to lug and case thickness. My wrists can not fit anything bigger than the rm030 but the way these cases shape to your wrist it fits comfortably well. Lastly, on each side of the case the RM010 has 2 screws vs 4 for the RM030, the latter IMO looks better proportionately balanced. Also if you are one to change straps often, there are more options and designs for the 030 along with availability of supply compared to the RM010.

[rolexfanforlife]

Hi all,

I am finalizing my RM choice and I was curious about the sandblasted titanium. Is that specific to FM models? I am contemplating this RM 005 FM- but I noticed some photos online look more sandblasted than this. Is this polished maybe? Or perhaps I am just overthinking it?







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[Armis]

Originally Posted by 7sins

You are welcome, always happy to help. From a complication perspective, the RM030 has two main differences. One is the power reserve and the second is the inclusion of a declutchable rotor which is innovative in the sense of ensuring always the right amount of spring tension to the movement. Does the latter make a meaningful difference? No, probably not. From an aesthetic standpoint a few differences. The rm010 is entirely RG, the RM030 is RG plates with a titanium case, I subjectively like the contrast.

The RM030 movement is more skeletonized/transparent IE you can see through more of the dial. The rm030 footprint is also larger than the rm010 both lug to lug and case thickness. My wrists can not fit anything bigger than the rm030 but the way these cases shape to your wrist it fits comfortably well. Lastly, on each side of the case the RM010 has 2 screws vs 4 for the RM030, the latter IMO looks better proportionately balanced. Also if you are one to change straps often, there are more options and designs for the 030 along with availability of supply compared to the RM010.

Excellent contrast and comparison of these two classic pieces. I agree, overall the RM030 is more attractive to me based on the aesthetic/design features you highlighted above. Thank you.

[7sins]

Originally Posted by Armis

Excellent contrast and comparison of these two classic pieces. I agree, overall the RM030 is more attractive to me based on the aesthetic/design features you highlighted above. Thank you.

You are very welcome! If you can stretch for the RM030, I would wait a few months and try for a RM72. I would anticipate the RM72 gets closer to MSRP at $200k later this year. This is the perfect blend of lug to lug width, case height and chrono, fits perfectly on the wrist.