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jimjimyeahyeah · 20 March 2023, 06:47 PM

Hi Guys,

I'm new here and would like to get your advice regarding a red sub.

Unfortunately, the shop is not allowed to take a photo and I just can briefly describe it here. Which is a mark V dial and the overall quality is better than average, and it comes with paper. The watch is from 1972 (from the paper) and matches the serial 30xxxxx. However, the paper is a small size one, as I saw the 71/72 red sub with paper usually comes with the larger size paper. Can you give me some advice about the paper? Any other reference on how to judge whether the paper is genuine?

Thanks in advance

TuRo · 20 March 2023, 06:54 PM

Has the shop a listing we can peruse ?

Certified Chronometer 'big paper' 3 fold punched is the norm.

Occasionally dealers used other types but not norm and if handwritten, not punched, caution advised unless original receipt in same handwriting etc, etc...

jimjimyeahyeah · 20 March 2023, 07:25 PM

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Originally Posted by TuRo

Has the shop a listing we can peruse ?

Certified Chronometer 'big paper' 3 fold punched is the norm.

Occasionally dealers used other types but not norm and if handwritten, not punched, caution advised unless original receipt in same handwriting etc, etc...

Thanks for your reply. Yes, I know that usually is the 'big paper' punched, that's why I have a bit hesitate on it. The shops show me that "small paper" is a punched version as well

The only photo I can found from the shop uploaded as attachment

swaini3 · 20 March 2023, 07:25 PM

Hi Jim,
While the long type paper is the correct one, there are COSC watches with the short ones. We can go on and on describing but its not much use. There are faked papers and faked punches out there so be careful. You can ask the shop to take clear full pictures, hiding some serial numbers.

jimjimyeahyeah · 20 March 2023, 08:41 PM

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Originally Posted by swaini3

Hi Jim,
While the long type paper is the correct one, there are COSC watches with the short ones. We can go on and on describing but its not much use. There are faked papers and faked punches out there so be careful. You can ask the shop to take clear full pictures, hiding some serial numbers.

Thanks for your advise.

The shop might not allows me take a photo for the paper and I will go there to request.

joli160 · 20 March 2023, 10:33 PM

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Originally Posted by jimjimyeahyeah

Thanks for your advise.

The shop might not allows me take a photo for the paper and I will go there to request.

If they don’t allow you they have something to hide. It would be a show stopper for me

brandrea · 20 March 2023, 10:50 PM

The obvious question is have you vetted the seller. That’s no guarantee, but it’s a good start

swaini3 · 20 March 2023, 11:06 PM

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Originally Posted by joli160

If they don’t allow you they have something to hide. It would be a show stopper for me

same here.

southtexas · 21 March 2023, 02:20 AM

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Originally Posted by joli160

If they don’t allow you they have something to hide. It would be a show stopper for me

Yep that’s odd

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ADINVA · 21 March 2023, 02:27 AM

If they do not even allow you to take photos of the watch, I will walk away with no regrets.

20 March 2023, 06:47 PM	#1
jimjimyeahyeah "TRF" Member Join Date: Mar 2023 Location: HKG Posts: 3	red sub advice regarding paper Hi Guys, I'm new here and would like to get your advice regarding a red sub. Unfortunately, the shop is not allowed to take a photo and I just can briefly describe it here. Which is a mark V dial and the overall quality is better than average, and it comes with paper. The watch is from 1972 (from the paper) and matches the serial 30xxxxx. However, the paper is a small size one, as I saw the 71/72 red sub with paper usually comes with the larger size paper. Can you give me some advice about the paper? Any other reference on how to judge whether the paper is genuine? Thanks in advance

20 March 2023, 06:54 PM	#2
TuRo "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2022 Real Name: Paul Location: Cantabrigia - G.B Watch: ing the detectives Posts: 2,832	Has the shop a listing we can peruse ? Certified Chronometer 'big paper' 3 fold punched is the norm. Occasionally dealers used other types but not norm and if handwritten, not punched, caution advised unless original receipt in same handwriting etc, etc... __________________ Thieves and fools and long travelled soldiers, A candid light exposes their homes. Human falter, people bellowed from their homes. And houses, there's fools and long reigning pharaohs. IT BITES - Yellow Christian

20 March 2023, 07:25 PM	#4
swaini3 "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2016 Real Name: Mo Location: Dubai Watch: 1675 GMT, DRSD Posts: 1,459	Hi Jim, While the long type paper is the correct one, there are COSC watches with the short ones. We can go on and on describing but its not much use. There are faked papers and faked punches out there so be careful. You can ask the shop to take clear full pictures, hiding some serial numbers.

20 March 2023, 10:50 PM	#7
brandrea 2024 SubLV41 Pledge Member Join Date: Jul 2013 Real Name: Brian (TBone) Location: canada Watch: es make me smile Posts: 78,089	The obvious question is have you vetted the seller. That’s no guarantee, but it’s a good start

21 March 2023, 02:27 AM	#10
ADINVA "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2015 Location: Hong Kong Watch: Daytona Posts: 733	If they do not even allow you to take photos of the watch, I will walk away with no regrets.

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