Watchmakers need your advice on the 2236 movement

[amanbra]

Hi Watchmakers of this forum,

The 2236 movement, have you folk seen the amplitude issues noticed on the 32xx movements on these movements?

I’ve had a 50% issue rate with the 32xx so i won’t be buying anymore but I was hoping to get confirmation that the 2236’s are fine, looking for a watch for the Mrs.

Thanks in advance

[sleepydoc]

Interested in this too, for the YM37.

[watchmaker]

Put simply, the 32XX family is at the beginning of it's lifecycle, so will be prone to teething issues.

The 22XX is around 23 years old and the 2236 is the most up to date iteration of the 22XX family. It has the benefit of over two decades of incremental improvements and ironing out issues.

That said, can I give you a cast iron guarantee you wont have any issues - nope

[dannyp]

Originally Posted by watchmaker

Put simply, the 32XX family is at the beginning of it's lifecycle, so will be prone to teething issues.

The 22XX is around 23 years old and the 2236 is the most up to date iteration of the 22XX family. It has the benefit of over two decades of incremental improvements and ironing out issues.

That said, can I give you a cast iron guarantee you wont have any issues - nope

Are the 2232/2236 essentially the same as the previous iterations, just with the Syloxi hairspring, or are there other significant changes to the basic elements of it?

[brandrea]

Originally Posted by watchmaker

Put simply, the 32XX family is at the beginning of it's lifecycle, so will be prone to teething issues.

The 22XX is around 23 years old and the 2236 is the most up to date iteration of the 22XX family. It has the benefit of over two decades of incremental improvements and ironing out issues.

That said, can I give you a cast iron guarantee you wont have any issues - nope

You MUST be joking Scott, the 32xx is a dog according to many here

[watchmaker]

Originally Posted by dannyp

Are the 2232/2236 essentially the same as the previous iterations, just with the Syloxi hairspring, or are there other significant changes to the basic elements of it?

They are for all intents and purposes the same calibre, with the addition of syloxi and paraflex.

Many of the components are straight up 2230 or 2235 parts.

[watchmaker]

Originally Posted by brandrea

You MUST be joking Scott, the 32xx is a dog according to many here

What do I know

[dannyp]

Originally Posted by watchmaker

They are for all intents and purposes the same calibre, with the addition of syloxi and paraflex.

Many of the components are straight up 2230 or 2235 parts.

Thanks, Scott.

Originally Posted by watchmaker

What do I know

Well, since you brought it up... anything new in terms of 32xx failure rates (on new watches), changes to parts, or fixes coming down from on high?

[padi56]

Originally Posted by brandrea

You MUST be joking Scott, the 32xx is a dog according to many here

Would that be a certain member we both added to our list Brian.

[brandrea]

Originally Posted by padi56

Would that be a certain member we both added to our list Brian.

Indeed

[amanbra]

Originally Posted by watchmaker

Put simply, the 32XX family is at the beginning of it's lifecycle, so will be prone to teething issues.

The 22XX is around 23 years old and the 2236 is the most up to date iteration of the 22XX family. It has the benefit of over two decades of incremental improvements and ironing out issues.

That said, can I give you a cast iron guarantee you wont have any issues - nope

Thank you for taking the time to respond, have you seen the “how complex is a women’s watch movement thread”? Searchart suggests the 2235 has issues. You noted any of these?

[amanbra]

Originally Posted by brandrea

You MUST be joking Scott, the 32xx is a dog according to many here

Based on my personal evidence of owning 8 of them yeah they are a dog… my omega, GS, Nomos all have had a much better performance…

[Andad]

So you’re the one Graham?

[watchmaker]

Originally Posted by amanbra

Thank you for taking the time to respond, have you seen the “how complex is a women’s watch movement thread”? Searchart suggests the 2235 has issues. You noted any of these?

It's certainly not without issues. No movement is.

22XX are not fun to service, and can be a pain to keep amplitude in the range we want. But that's a problem for a watchmaker, not the wearer.

[amanbra]

Originally Posted by watchmaker

It's certainly not without issues. No movement is.

22XX are not fun to service, and can be a pain to keep amplitude in the range we want. But that's a problem for a watchmaker, not the wearer.

Thanks again for responding.

[amanbra]

Originally Posted by Andad

So you’re the one Graham?

Well 50% of them going bad within a year of ownership and 1 of them going bad twice… Land Rover is more reliable…

[msum]

Apologies for bumping this old thread.

Just continuing an exploration of potential 32xx movement issues.

Has anyone experienced issues with the 2236 or very similar 2235 or 2230 movements?

I worry about durability/robustness, I think. Plus the two issues mentioned by Scott above. I’m assuming it doesn’t have the same issue as that which the 32xx movements are alleged to have?

[SearChart]

It certainly does not have the same issues as the 32××, not even close.

Rarely you'll see one coming in with low amplitude. Most commonly warranty claims are abused watches near the end of the warranty period with a worn out rotor axle.

[SearChart]

Originally Posted by watchmaker

It's certainly not without issues. No movement is.

22XX are not fun to service, and can be a pain to keep amplitude in the range we want. But that's a problem for a watchmaker, not the wearer.

With the recent change of all replacement barrel/mainspring being the 2236 version with more power reserve I find the regular old 2235 runs a lot better. I've recently even had to adjust the pallet fork outwards a couple of microns with the VOH escapement tool, because it was running at 320degrees amplitude

[msum]

I realised I never replied!

Thanks SearChart!

Out of interest, what happens when amplitude is too high (which I assume 320 degrees is)?