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7 May 2024, 07:41 AM | #1 |
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1950s 6015 Bubbleback - Unique dial?
I recently inherited this 6015 which I believe to have been purchased around 1950 which appears consistent with the serial number, 67XXXX, and the date on the accompanying chronometer certificate.
While researching the model, I notice a couple of curiosities; the words "Rolex Oyster" appear on one line. I have only seen this on photos of much earlier models (1930s). Secondly, the words "Rolex Oyster" are in an arc. I have only seen them as a straight line before. Does anyone have any knowledge of this dial design, or any additional information about these models? We had assumed a value of around $1-2K when dividing the estate, and for insurance. If a rare dial design, does this materially affect the value? Thanks |
7 May 2024, 03:46 PM | #2 |
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its a refinished dial.
Missing "SWISS" or "SWISS MADE" at 6 o clock is a indicator for refinished / reprinted dials. |
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Interesting. Is there a "Swiss" or similar tucked away at the bottom of the dial? Also, can we see the above-mentioned chrono certificate and anything else that belongs to the watch if you have it?
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No "Swiss" or similar on the dial I am afraid.
I do have some correspondence between the original owner and Rolex when it was sent for a service in 1954. Rolex sent a quote listing all the work recommended and the owner replied denying the work on the basis that the watch wasnt that old so how could it possibly need so much replacing! Quite humorous! Rolex goes on to write how they are returning the watch with the glass having been replaced with their compliments. Presumably because they started work before being authorised? Possible they replaced the dial then too? I can upload the chrono cert - is there anything I should redact to retain confidentality? cert no.? movement no.? |
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The letter is also interesting, confirming that Rolex was as fussy about replacing so much in those days, too. I don't think you need to redact anything from the cert, except maybe the last few numbers on the watch serial maybe.
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Yes, for a (assumed) 2 yr old watch, they wanted to replace:
* New tube * Blue Point glass * Tension spring screw * Barrel arbor screw * Rotor arbor Attached is the chrono cert. Does the absence of "swiss" on the dial make it a certainty that the dial has been replaced? Just googling 6015 images, there are very very few that have it. I appreciate this could be because most have had their dials replaced. Working on the assumption of a replaced dial, any idea where it has come from? As mentioned I have seen "Rolex Oyster" on the same line on 1930s dials, but none have been in an arc. |
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The lack of 'Swiss' or 'Swiss Made' on a dial is generally seen as meaning a refinished dial, but I don't know if there were rare exceptions, where the dial may have been produced elsewhere or something like that. Hopefully someone with better knowledge than me can advise. I think it looks nice, though, and not obviously fake, but others will likely disagree.
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I would do more research before concluding that the dial is repainted. The printing looks pretty much consistent with other dials from the era, and the edges of the recessed metal minute markers look very clean.
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I found a couple of similar dials with a Google search for rolex oyster curved dial text
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Thanks - this helped me find a couple more images of curved text. They all appear to be from the late 1930s so that doesn't tie in with the significant evidence of the watch being 1950. I think the absence of "Swiss" on the dial indicates in all liklihood the dial may have been replaced at some point with an earlier version.
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