General thoughts on this watch.

[Rlxdndndn89]

I'm surprised that more people aren't readily accepting that this is just a real rolex with aftermarket diamonds. How many of these things have we seen, especially in music videos, in the last 10 years?

The comments about any parts besides the diamonds being "non-Rolex" feel pretty speculative. I believe the correct term may be "bust down"

Whatever the case, someone loves OPs son very much.

[never2late]

Originally Posted by Rlxdndndn89

I'm surprised that more people aren't readily accepting that this is just a real rolex with aftermarket diamonds. How many of these things have we seen, especially in music videos, in the last 10 years?

The comments about any parts besides the diamonds being "non-Rolex" feel pretty speculative. I believe the correct term may be "bust down"

Whatever the case, someone loves OPs son very much.

Thank you, either way your kind words are greatly appreciated.

[KatGirl]

Originally Posted by Rlxdndndn89

I'm surprised that more people aren't readily accepting that this is just a real rolex with aftermarket diamonds. How many of these things have we seen, especially in music videos, in the last 10 years?

The comments about any parts besides the diamonds being "non-Rolex" feel pretty speculative. I believe the correct term may be "bust down"

Whatever the case, someone loves OPs son very much.

How would that work exactly? This model was produced just as it was shown in the article from Bob’s. This watch is obviously different from the genuine one pictured. If a genuine Rolex with much lower quality diamonds, if even genuine diamonds at all, this would have to be a different model GMT, perhaps the black one. Then they would have had to cover it in stones, and find a black GMT hand, plus the Rolex badge and GMTMaster ll badging. Does any model even have a black GMT hand? So, taking a Genuine GMT, let’s say the LN, and turning it into the Ice GMT is the very definition of a frankenwatch. That’s a different scenario, than merely switching out plain stick markers for aftermarket diamonds. Since the buyer bought it with an authenticity guarantee, I’d return it for a refund, if I were she, unless they are OK with all that. If a genuine Rolex underneath those substandard stones, maybe they would be OK with it, if she paid 25% of what a genuine one would cost.
The part of this model that surprises me, is why did Rolex make it? How would you even use the GMT function, without a GMT bezel? Seems a very odd design choice, aside from the fact that it look’s horrendous.
I just hope this couple can get their money back, if they want to return it. As for the OP, he should be thankful that strangers on this forum care enough to tell him the truth, and give him helpful advice.

Kat


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[ErichKeane]

Originally Posted by KatGirl

How would that work exactly? This model was produced just as it was shown in the article from Bob’s. This watch is obviously different from the genuine one pictured. If a genuine Rolex with much lower quality diamonds, if even genuine diamonds at all, this would have to be a different model GMT, perhaps the black one. Then they would have had to cover it in stones, and find a black GMT hand, plus the Rolex badge and GMTMaster ll badging. Does any model even have a black GMT hand? So, taking a Genuine GMT, let’s say the LN, and turning it into the Ice GMT is the very definition of a frankenwatch. That’s a different scenario, than merely switching out plain stick markers for aftermarket diamonds. Since the buyer bought it with an authenticity guarantee, I’d return it for a refund, if I were she, unless they are OK with all that. If a genuine Rolex underneath those substandard stones, maybe they would be OK with it, if she paid 25% of what a genuine one would cost.
The part of this model that surprises me, is why did Rolex make it? How would you even use the GMT function, without a GMT bezel? Seems a very odd design choice, aside from the fact that it look’s horrendous.
I just hope this couple can get their money back, if they want to return it. As for the OP, he should be thankful that strangers on this forum care enough to tell him the truth, and give him helpful advice.

Kat


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I too am in the camp that this is very much not an 'as it left the factory' Rolex, so "iced" after the fact. That means GMT hand and dial are both likely not original (though look at the 12 oclock lume... does that look weird to anyone else?).

That said, the GMT bezel/rotating bezel isnt necessary to use it as a GMT. The ExpII can be used without a rotating bezel (though it has the numbers), and plenty of GMT watches with dive bezels are out there (though I'll admit, many/most have the 24 hrs printed on the dial).

As far as OPs question: This watch, fake or not, is proof that money can't buy taste. Raiding DeBeer's bargain bin and supergluing it to a GMT has somehow managed to make something worth LESS than a chinesium knock-off GMT to me.

[KatGirl]

Originally Posted by ErichKeane

I too am in the camp that this is very much not an 'as it left the factory' Rolex, so "iced" after the fact. That means GMT hand and dial are both likely not original (though look at the 12 oclock lume... does that look weird to anyone else?).

That said, the GMT bezel/rotating bezel isnt necessary to use it as a GMT. The ExpII can be used without a rotating bezel (though it has the numbers), and plenty of GMT watches with dive bezels are out there (though I'll admit, many/most have the 24 hrs printed on the dial).

As far as OPs question: This watch, fake or not, is proof that money can't buy taste. Raiding DeBeer's bargain bin and supergluing it to a GMT has somehow managed to make something worth LESS than a chinesium knock-off GMT to me.

You are right about the 12:00 marker. Lume looks different, (cloudy?) and the surround, which we know should be white gold, looks thinner than the surrounds of the other markers.

Kat


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[77T]

It's been iced, a wave dial added, and a GMT was the donor reference.

It's mod'd and def a bust down.

We have a big tent at TRF let's not impugn a fellow member who has given some of us an opportunity to learn how Rolex is morphing on the street.

Bust down watches:
A bust down watch is modern terminology for something that’s been around for quite some time. In simple terms, bust down watches are basically timepieces that are covered in diamonds from top to bottom. Bust down watches are also referred to as “iced out” or “fully flooded.”

Bust down watches come from many luxury brands but are actually not produced by the brand itself. The term “bust down” literally means that a timepiece has been taken apart to its bare bones in order to encrust diamonds and/or gemstones onto its different parts, mostly including the bracelet, case, dial, and bezel among others.

Hope that helps... :cheees:


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[123Blueface]

Originally Posted by 77T

It's been iced, a wave dial added, and a GMT was the donor reference.

It's mod'd and def a bust down.

We have a big tent at TRF let's not impugn a fellow member who has given some of us an opportunity to learn how Rolex is morphing on the street.

Bust down watches:
A bust down watch is modern terminology for something that’s been around for quite some time. In simple terms, bust down watches are basically timepieces that are covered in diamonds from top to bottom. Bust down watches are also referred to as “iced out” or “fully flooded.”

Bust down watches come from many luxury brands but are actually not produced by the brand itself. The term “bust down” literally means that a timepiece has been taken apart to its bare bones in order to encrust diamonds and/or gemstones onto its different parts, mostly including the bracelet, case, dial, and bezel among others.

Hope that helps... :cheees:


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Isn’t a watch that has things added that don’t belong to the watch, to make it look like another watch, a Franken?
Call it iced, or bust down, or whatever but it is still not authentic if inference is that it is genuine from Rolex.
Some of us tried to be helpful and illustrate how this watch could not be “verified authentic” as OP posted.
Provided evidence of what authentic one looks like.
Highlighted differences, all in an effort to assist if having been misled by a vendor.
In the end, all I got was a pithy response about not losing sleep over what I think.

[77T]

So I guess you also learned a new synonym? I sure did

Not sure if Franken is the perfect term. The watch isn't posing as anything by putting genuine parts from another model. I've seen Jocke do masterful work here and get rave reviews for his mods.

In this situation none of us have Superman's x-ray vision - we don't know if there is a 3075 inside or the bracelet clasp code matches the serial number range. I believe everyone expressed themselves without profanity - but some took offense to the give and take.

I think OP could have anticipated comments might be all over the place and not feel disrespected.

Either way, looks like a busted down GMT to me - major mods all around.


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[Wahlberg]

Originally Posted by never2late

Here is his latest acquisition in Hawaii last week . . . more to my liking for sure.

Where is the hand at the top counter of is it hidden because of light/shadow?

[Rlxdndndn89]

Originally Posted by ErichKeane

I too am in the camp that this is very much not an 'as it left the factory' Rolex, so "iced" after the fact. That means GMT hand and dial are both likely not original (though look at the 12 oclock lume... does that look weird to anyone else?).

That said, the GMT bezel/rotating bezel isnt necessary to use it as a GMT. The ExpII can be used without a rotating bezel (though it has the numbers), and plenty of GMT watches with dive bezels are out there (though I'll admit, many/most have the 24 hrs printed on the dial).

As far as OPs question: This watch, fake or not, is proof that money can't buy taste. Raiding DeBeer's bargain bin and supergluing it to a GMT has somehow managed to make something worth LESS than a chinesium knock-off GMT to me.

Originally Posted by KatGirl

How would that work exactly? This model was produced just as it was shown in the article from Bob’s. This watch is obviously different from the genuine one pictured. If a genuine Rolex with much lower quality diamonds, if even genuine diamonds at all, this would have to be a different model GMT, perhaps the black one. Then they would have had to cover it in stones, and find a black GMT hand, plus the Rolex badge and GMTMaster ll badging. Does any model even have a black GMT hand? So, taking a Genuine GMT, let’s say the LN, and turning it into the Ice GMT is the very definition of a frankenwatch. That’s a different scenario, than merely switching out plain stick markers for aftermarket diamonds. Since the buyer bought it with an authenticity guarantee, I’d return it for a refund, if I were she, unless they are OK with all that. If a genuine Rolex underneath those substandard stones, maybe they would be OK with it, if she paid 25% of what a genuine one would cost.
The part of this model that surprises me, is why did Rolex make it? How would you even use the GMT function, without a GMT bezel? Seems a very odd design choice, aside from the fact that it look’s horrendous.
I just hope this couple can get their money back, if they want to return it. As for the OP, he should be thankful that strangers on this forum care enough to tell him the truth, and give him helpful advice.

Kat


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In my world there is modding (a la old Bamford) and there is the quality known as being a frankenwatch. The latter being a watch that, like Frankensteins monster, is assembled from many different (and potentially dishonorable) places. Thereby not a genuine Rolex.

You're implying that the lume and gmt hand may have been modified, as I understand it. Not sure what would make it more likely that it's fake over it's just a genuine green gmt hand that was painted black. Don't Artisans de Geneve take the entire dial off some of their watches and reposition the hour markers to the edge of the dial? Is that a frankenwatch or a mod?

I don't think anyone is calling Bamford or Artisan de Geneve Rolexes fake. Or at least I'm not. But whatever I have a hard time questioning how other people spend money when they have plenty of it.

The part about the diamonds is what is still surprising to me. The leap from non-Rolex diamonds to outright fakes is big. Sure someone would do this with rhinestones but they also do it with real diamonds. Has anybody graded Quavos watches for clarity and imperfections?

Lastly, if you wear a 126755SARU or something like this, there's a greater than 0 likelihood that you have a person in your life who is on payroll and just hangs around to tell you what time it is, in whatever country you may be curious about, in addition to a whole host of other assistances. Famous recent example: Jess from Succession.

[digitalcrocodile]

A prop from the series "Narcos" possibly?????

[CTech]

It's an interesting discussion about an area few of us know much about, but I think the watch is a genuine GMT-Master II that has been highly modified like this one:

https://www.ebay.com/itm/204417360939

There are a few shops in the malls around here (Los Angeles) that sell these type of modified watches and it always surprises me how (relatively) cheap they are when you consider the amount of work/time and materials that has gone into them.

It's not for me, but I think it would be wrong for us to denigrate other people's tastes or choices.

[cht]

Why would you take blurry pictures of $$100,000k modified Rolex?

Why would you take blurry pics of a fake Rolex? To try and hide the fact it’s fake.

Typical fake watch tactics.

The end link fitment is so bad that I can still tell it’s fake with this blurry or pictures.

They make a fake version of this model.

Just google replica 116769TBR.


You’re trying to convince us someone and yourself someone took a gen 116710 and somehow found black gmt style hands and put a diamond wave “style” dial and gen diamonds all over it to look like a real 116769TBR?

I think you know the answer to this.

If not, then you should recommend she return it for a full refund purchase a genuine Rolex watch from a authorized dealer.

[GGGMT]

Though it is Impossible to tell authenticity in blurry pics, particularly where the watch is encrusted horribly in some sort of stones, the authenticity of which likewise cannot be determined in horrible pics, the fact remains that the watch is just gnarly AF. Any disagreements?


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