Has the CODE been slept on long enough by enthusiasts?

[Palex]

Again a very nice Code!

[TheHolyLuck]

First time ever AP use meteorite on their watches !
I saw it yesterday in my boutique. Nice and elegant with same tone overal.

[PT_91]

Originally Posted by Gandor

I don't think there's ever been a better comparison of how to do modern design correctly and how to do it wrong. How patek spent 25 years working on a new line and arrive at a square nautilus with a recycled movement, recycled bracelet, and recycled dial is beyond me. Papa stern would be ashamed to see where the company is heading.

Papa Stern is still alive ;-)

[Gandor]

Originally Posted by PT_91

Papa Stern is still alive ;-)

Wow, I swore he was dead when they released that watch with his face on it last year that looked like something in memoriam haha.

[PT_91]

Originally Posted by Gandor

Wow, I swore he was dead when they released that watch with his face on it last year that looked like something in memoriam haha.

I can't blame you as I've made the exact same mistake before

[GalaxyTime]

Originally Posted by Palex

Again a very nice Code!

Nice. Any reference? Is this off catalogue

[Palex]

Originally Posted by GalaxyTime

Nice. Any reference? Is this off catalogue

[In-N-Out]

What a terrible response from Stern compared to the remarks FHB had with the code 11

[Gandor]

Originally Posted by In-N-Out

What a terrible response from Stern compared to the remarks FHB had with the code 11

Yeah, FHB sincerely believed in the product and the vision even with all the backlash. TS response is really immature and leads to a company culture that doubles down on their mistakes instead of trying to improve.

The code has gotten an update nearly every year since release to make it an amazing watch that can stand next to the Royal Oak. I highly doubt Patek will iterate on the cubitus in any meaningful way.

[Uros]

Code will never be royal oak in near future but the potential is huge. The biggest problem with RO is that there are so many of them that Code is starting to be something different and really cool. Looking to biy first one myself, they just ended up in trap and inflated price idiotically, I mean 20+k for basic steel model but grey is viable option.


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[Uros]

Originally Posted by In-N-Out

What a terrible response from Stern compared to the remarks FHB had with the code 11

And no judging of course but leading top tier luxury firm he could try to look bit more healthier. Doesnt wamt to look like stereotype spoiled rich kid who got big inheritance (comment doesnt help also)


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[Audevache]

Originally Posted by Uros

Code will never be royal oak in near future but the potential is huge. The biggest problem with RO is that there are so many of them that Code is starting to be something different and really cool. Looking to biy first one myself, they just ended up in trap and inflated price idiotically, I mean 20+k for basic steel model but grey is viable option.


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40k for an entry level 3-hand steel Cubitus makes the Code look like a bargain to me.

[Uros]

Originally Posted by Audevache

40k for an entry level 3-hand steel Cubitus makes the Code look like a bargain to me.

But c’mon it looks like nautilus and has hacking seconds:)


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[gretch6364]

Originally Posted by Uros

But c’mon it looks like nautilus and has hacking seconds:)


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It looks like an uglier Glachutte Original

“We are not the Nautilus…we are worse looking more expensive derivatives of it!”

[Audevache]

Originally Posted by Uros

But c’mon it looks like nautilus and has hacking seconds:)


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It looks like a stop sign, and my Code hacks as well…. Plus it even includes a nice little stop watch for 10k less….

[Lemarp]

Originally Posted by gretch6364

It looks like an uglier Glachutte Original

“We are not the Nautilus…we are worse looking more expensive derivatives of it!”

Uglier Cartier Santos or G-shock.

[Lemarp]

Originally Posted by In-N-Out

What a terrible response from Stern compared to the remarks FHB had with the code 11

That's a hilarious response considering that this new line was apparently designed to appeal to younger people.

I guess he's just saying explicitly he doesn't care about young people that can't afford it .

Dude has a lot of confidence in his current customer base if he's on record making those kind of comments. That picture of him next to the comment could not be more perfect either.

[Audevache]

Originally Posted by Lemarp

That's a hilarious response considering that this new line was apparently designed to appeal to younger people.

I guess he's just saying explicitly he doesn't care about young people that can't afford it .

Dude has a lot of confidence in his current customer base if he's on record making those kind of comments. That picture of him next to the comment could not be more perfect either.

That picture reminds me of another Cubitus who looks a bit similar to TS in that pic:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cubitus

We all thought (probably rightly so) FHB was a bit arrogant. This is another level though. Maybe in hindsight 20 years from now the Code will be seen as a truly innovative design, particularly compared to whatever TS in his dual role as boss and head designer came up with here.

[kaiserphoenix]

Originally Posted by Lemarp

That's a hilarious response considering that this new line was apparently designed to appeal to younger people.

I guess he's just saying explicitly he doesn't care about young people that can't afford it .

Dude has a lot of confidence in his current customer base if he's on record making those kind of comments. That picture of him next to the comment could not be more perfect either.

I think alot of people are misunderstanding "entry-level" and cheap. TS has never stated they want to make a watch thats cheap and available to everyone. He means an entry point into a very exclusive brand. Not an entry level "PRICE". Hes repeatedly stated that Patek Philippe is not for everyone and to an extent AP is like that too, just AP has more accessible watch price points on average.

[Lemarp]

Originally Posted by kaiserphoenix

I think alot of people are misunderstanding "entry-level" and cheap. TS has never stated they want to make a watch thats cheap and available to everyone. He means an entry point into a very exclusive brand. Not an entry level "PRICE". Hes repeatedly stated that Patek Philippe is not for everyone and to an extent AP is like that too, just AP has more accessible watch price points on average.

The point is that he actually said that explicitly in response to criticisms of his latest design. I don't think anyone expected PP to introduce a $10K entry level watch.

It's the fact that he's getting down in the sandbox like a little insecure, immature child. Something you wouldn't expect from a high end luxury brand and especially not the President of the brand.

[Dylbo]

That doesn't make any sense. What is it other than price that makes something entry level? Entry level typically means price but otherwise can mean feature-basic and is therefore associated with lower price. There are other non-complicated pieces in the range and other non-PM pieces. If it's not price, what is it that is supposed to make it entry level? It's definitely not its broad casual design appeal...

[Steele]

none of this really matters anyway because they have divided the production now between Aqua, Naut and now the Cube so 1/3 1/3 1/3 so making the real desired pieces even harder to get.

Forcing scarcity and increasing the odds of grey market prices for the Aqua and Naut to stay strong FORCING people to take the journey, because pricing will remain high in the grey

[usmc_k9_vet]

Originally Posted by gretch6364

It looks like an uglier Glachutte Original

“We are not the Nautilus…we are worse looking more expensive derivatives of it!”

That’s the Cubitus talking..


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[Lemarp]

Originally Posted by Steele

none of this really matters anyway because they have divided the production now between Aqua, Naut and now the Cube so 1/3 1/3 1/3 so making the real desired pieces even harder to get.

Forcing scarcity and increasing the odds of grey market prices for the Aqua and Naut to stay strong FORCING people to take the journey, because pricing will remain high in the grey

Amen. As long as the sheep buy into this 'journey' idea, they can follow up with the Triangus and other 'innovative' designs... And be on the record saying explicitly we only care about the wealthy.

Push the boundaries because why not? It'll still sell out and everyone can backslap each other at the end of the year.

This comment doesn't exclude AP, though not as brash as Patek. The Code was/is the same idea, they were just smart enough not to say it as explicitly and put some effort into at least coming up with a new idea. I simply don't like the Code and the style just doesn't suit a watch I'd ever wear. The sense I get from the brand is that if my wife doesn't want an AP and I don't want a Code, my 'journey' too is at an end.

All the power to people that like them but I find this whole buy, dump into the market at a massive loss and ask for a 'safe sale' a huge racket.

[Steele]

Originally Posted by Lemarp

Amen. As long as the sheep buy into this 'journey' idea, they can follow up with the Triangus and other 'innovative' designs... And be on the record saying explicitly we only care about the wealthy.

Push the boundaries because why not? It'll still sell out and everyone can backslap each other at the end of the year.

This comment doesn't exclude AP, though not as brash as Patek. The Code was/is the same idea, they were just smart enough not to say it as explicitly and put some effort into at least coming up with a new idea. I simply don't like the Code and the style just doesn't suit a watch I'd ever wear. The sense I get from the brand is that if my wife doesn't want an AP and I don't want a Code, my 'journey' too is at an end.

All the power to people that like them but I find this whole buy, dump into the market at a massive loss and ask for a 'safe sale' a huge racket.

lol Triangulus

[IGY]

I could not stand the first generation Code 11.59. However there were design elements such as the interesting convex crystal glass and the hexagonal inner case sides that were beautifully manufactured and very interesting to look at. The dial design - in particular the use of multiple different fonts - killed the watch for me. In the meanwhile AP have refined the watch. The elements that I love remain while the design elements of the dial have been changed to something much more in harmony with the rest of the watch. I've not bought a smaller one only because it wears a little large for my tastes and the smaller versions are all in girly colours and / or with diamonds.

The Nautilus does not really do much for me. And the Cubitus even less so. And I doubt design refinements (which are unlikely given Patek's arrogance) will do much to change my opinion about it. I already own one Patek and there are a few other references (two current and a couple historical) that I am interested to own and that I can afford. The CEO's arrogance and portly appearance don't really affect my interest in the Patek watches that I do like.

I find the discussion about the Cubitus - and especially the memes - quite amusing. But the watch itself is a great irrelevant nothing burger to me.