New AP’s prediction 2024 thread!

[Mini2]

The brand has lost
Doing anything for a buck
LOL
Big discounts pending on pre loved watches in general

[edo]

Like the unique editions for Mayer and Travis they made platinum edition unique piece for Kaws and some yellow gold for "friends and family"... so we will not see any of these for sale... or wait... AP family and friends are not among the loyal ones, so these yg will welcome the gray market soon...

[gretch6364]

I would love a platinum 16202.

[Armis]

Originally Posted by gretch6364

I would love a platinum 16202.

+1 The X X is a little distracting, but I wouldn’t mind for a platinum piece.

[huncho]

Originally Posted by Mini2

The brand has lost
Doing anything for a buck
LOL
Big discounts pending on pre loved watches in general

as opposed to...? patek which has everything except the nautilus under retail and just released a very creative square nautilus or rolex which has everything except like 4 steel watches under retail? lol

[7sins]

Originally Posted by gretch6364

I would love a platinum 16202.

Here you go...much better

[Ashj52]

written in error

[messikens]

Originally Posted by Mini2

The brand has lost
Doing anything for a buck
LOL
Big discounts pending on pre loved watches in general

Honestly some of the recent things were hit or miss (don't really like the 16202 Kaws AT ALL).

That said, I'd prefer they try things out vs Paket which after 25y could basically muster up the creative strength to make their Nautilus square or Rolex, which pretends to be groundbreaking by changing the lugs of their existing watch by 0.3mm per iteration...

[m3tek44]

Any updates to 150th anniversary?

[Armis]

Originally Posted by 7sins

Here you go...much better

Whoa, speechless! This is a proper green dial piece!

What year is this from? A piece unique or limited edition??

[GW44]

Originally Posted by Mini2

The brand has lost
Doing anything for a buck
LOL
Big discounts pending on pre loved watches in general

Great insight as ever

Good job you’re not bitter and twisted…….

[edo]

Originally Posted by Armis

Whoa, speechless! This is a proper green dial piece!



What year is this from? A piece unique or limited edition??

50th anniversary, not limited to certain number as I know... insane watch for sure...

[7sins]

Originally Posted by edo

50th anniversary, not limited to certain number as I know... insane watch for sure...

It was actually introduced one year prior to the 50th anni as the 15202pt. Then had a one year run as the 50th for the 16202 before discontinuation.

The platinum is sublime in person along with the weight of the watch, quite splendid, was able to try it on when they launched the 50th collection in 2022. Dial does remind me of a radar sonar screen though. I've seen them now go for ~$160-$170k which I think is a great value and hidden gem. Would love to add one in the future, would pair well with the 15202bc.

[Akacoke]

Originally Posted by 7sins

It was actually introduced one year prior to the 50th anni as the 15202pt. Then had a one year run as the 50th for the 16202 before discontinuation.

The platinum is sublime in person along with the weight of the watch, quite splendid, was able to try it on when they launched the 50th collection in 2022. Dial does remind me of a radar sonar screen though. I've seen them now go for ~$160-$170k which I think is a great value and hidden gem. Would love to add one in the future, would pair well with the 15202bc.

Never knew this existed. What was the retail on it ?

[GW44]

Originally Posted by 7sins

It was actually introduced one year prior to the 50th anni as the 15202pt. Then had a one year run as the 50th for the 16202 before discontinuation.

The platinum is sublime in person along with the weight of the watch, quite splendid, was able to try it on when they launched the 50th collection in 2022. Dial does remind me of a radar sonar screen though. I've seen them now go for ~$160-$170k which I think is a great value and hidden gem. Would love to add one in the future, would pair well with the 15202bc.

Pretty much the perfect complication, dial and material here. Incredible dial

[GW44]

Although I’ve always loved this iteration too;

https://www.audemarspiguet.com/com/e...1240XT.01.html

[7sins]

Originally Posted by Akacoke

Never knew this existed. What was the retail on it ?

~90k CHF for the 15202pt, can't recall on the 16202pt but I would suspect closer to ~100k-110k CHF (price hike + 50th + new movement), believe it was POR.

Originally Posted by GW44

Pretty much the perfect complication, dial and material here. Incredible dial

Amen!

[Napaswar]

Originally Posted by GW44

Although I’ve always loved this iteration too;

https://www.audemarspiguet.com/com/e...1240XT.01.html

That's my grail for 16202 series.
Would love to see how hard BMG material is

[edo]

Originally Posted by 7sins

It was actually introduced one year prior to the 50th anni as the 15202pt. Then had a one year run as the 50th for the 16202 before discontinuation.

The platinum is sublime in person along with the weight of the watch, quite splendid, was able to try it on when they launched the 50th collection in 2022. Dial does remind me of a radar sonar screen though. I've seen them now go for ~$160-$170k which I think is a great value and hidden gem. Would love to add one in the future, would pair well with the 15202bc.

Totally forgot the 15202 run... here is another double balance variant... emerald this time...

[lucasalce]

Are there too many double balance variations?

[edo]

Originally Posted by lucasalce

Are there too many double balance variations?

Yes, it was just todays discussion on one big collector IG page... he counted 31 variations of double balance, 24 in 41 and 7 in 37mm...

[Palex]

Originally Posted by edo

Yes, it was just todays discussion on one big collector IG page... he counted 31 variations of double balance, 24 in 41 and 7 in 37mm...

Horology ancienne. I think he is right. And he was not the only one

[VogelPhoenix]

Originally Posted by Palex

Horology ancienne. I think he is right. And he was not the only one

I read the original post. What is the argument? Same total production, more variants = less collectibility. I could say, same total production, more variants = more collectibility, and it would be just as well argued (i.e., not much at all).

[Bpan]

Originally Posted by VogelPhoenix

I read the original post. What is the argument? Same total production, more variants = less collectibility. I could say, same total production, more variants = more collectibility, and it would be just as well argued (i.e., not much at all).

The argument is probably that the more special editions there are (like with Grand Seiko or Omega), the less special any particular edition would be, in that more people would have a special edition even if not the exact same configuration. For some that would make it less collectable, but for people who are able to buy every variant of the openworked that may make it more collectable.

[gretch6364]

I am not anti special edition from someone like AP. For me, it is just more chance that they will make the exact configuration that I want to buy and wear.

[In-N-Out]

Originally Posted by Bpan

The argument is probably that the more special editions there are (like with Grand Seiko or Omega), the less special any particular edition would be, in that more people would have a special edition even if not the exact same configuration. For some that would make it less collectable, but for people who are able to buy every variant of the openworked that may make it more collectable.

this.

I'll take it a little further and say that the more special editions there are in the industry, it makes ALL special editions / limited editions less special. all the 250 production runs from AP doesn't mean anything when there are so many not just from AP, but from other brands "greater" or "lesser" than AP

I also think 1 of 1's are becoming less prestigious when so many people have a 1 of 1. and clearly, the significance of a 1 of 1 goes down the toilet when guys like Stalone and Brady just dump their pieces without even wearing them. I don't know these guys obviously, but if they don't even respect a watch made just for them, why should we?