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nosttrader · 12 August 2009, 02:46 AM

Who would you file a claim with if the seller is in Ottawa, Ontario Canada. The seller did provide me with a tracking number and hopefully the watch is enroute. But I'm fearful it might not arrive.

Nost

newmedia · 12 August 2009, 02:57 AM

not much other than trying to recover your money through what ever financial institution was used to send money.

wulu · 12 August 2009, 03:00 AM

Contact the Ontario Police Department and also the RCMP http://www.rcmp-grc.gc.ca/index-eng.htm

onkyo · 12 August 2009, 03:08 AM

Can you provide more details of the possible scam? Where you bought the watch, history/references of sellers, link to posting, payment details, etc.

nosttrader · 12 August 2009, 03:20 AM

Onkyo,

I purchased a Pam 104 from Paneristi forum from theDiver. The transaction went smooth. I watch was shipped out last week and sent expedited USA which is like parcel post here in the states. The seller gave me a few reference and one person replied. I sent a wire to his bank RBC.

Current tracking information is
2009/08/08 11:09 International shipment has arrived in the destination country
2009/08/05 20:51 International item has left Canada
2009/08/04 17:47 OTTAWA Item accepted at the Post Office

So I'm keeping my finger cross.

http://www.network54.com/Forum/35339...MINT+(TheDiver)

Reason why I'm nervous, a few day later there was another post to sale this another watch.

http://www.network54.com/Forum/35339...LNIB+(TheDiver)

Nost

nosttrader · 12 August 2009, 03:26 AM

My purchased
http://www.network54.com/Forum/35339...MINT+(TheDiver)

Money sent via wire from my bank to his RBC bank. Purchased over at Paneristi.

I'm afraid cause of the following post by the seller.

http://www.network54.com/Forum/35339...LNIB+(TheDiver)

According to the tracking number I received. My package is currently
2009/08/08 11:09 International shipment has arrived in the destination country
2009/08/05 20:51 International item has left Canada
2009/08/04 17:47 OTTAWA Item accepted at the Post Office

I should find out in a few days.

In regards to reference I was able to get one response by his previous buyer.

I did a deal on a Panerai timepiece. I was the buyer and he was up in Canada, the watch was as described and shipped in a timely manner. I would gladly deal with him again.

Kindest regards,

Keeping my finger cross.

Nost

nosttrader · 12 August 2009, 03:49 AM

purchased watch from thediver at paneristi forum. I received a reference from one of his previous buyer. Payment was made via wire from my account to his bank RBC.

toreli · 12 August 2009, 09:10 AM

Hello there nosttrader,
Keep us in touch please with your situation, if indeed you have been cheated please PM me and we could try to find a solution together.
I work in a big lawyer company and i think i could be able to get your money back.
Keep us in touch.
Regards

nosttrader · 12 August 2009, 02:15 PM

Toreli,

I will definitely keep you up to date. My plan of action is to wait to see if package arrive. Take picture of packet when it arrives. I was going to file a policy report with the Ottawa fraud department. I will also open a case with IC3, which will work with corresponding goverment party to investigate. And now I have Toreli to help.

TIA.

Nost

FIB112358 · 12 August 2009, 05:00 PM

i followed the link you posted for the new watch he is sellin. At the bottom of the page someone has posted a thread to say that the pis are stolen?

TurboWatch · 12 August 2009, 05:17 PM

make sure the Bank account provided bears the SAME name as the purchaser ( if you're a buyer )
As for not only cell but home phone number
Get home and work address.

There have been many documented scammers who are working out of Canada these days ( watchnet.com under deal watch )

If you're a seller:

Verify with your bank to make sure the fund was wired and not a check deposited to your account.

nosttrader · 13 August 2009, 03:23 AM

Fib112358,

That is what raise my concern. Was he was selling another watch with stolen picture. Still waiting for the package to get delivered. Will keep everyone posted.

Nost

toreli · 14 August 2009, 03:00 AM

Any news? Indeed is strange, there are a few posts claming the pictures are stolen... keep us informed.

nosttrader · 14 August 2009, 03:22 AM

Toreli,

I'm still waiting for the mail to be delivered. Package is still showing pending. The seller did respond to one of my email but hasn't communicated with me via phone.
"Hello Sorry I was away

Did you get the watch ? you should of gotten it some days ago......."

I'll keep everyone posted.

Nost

jon84gt · 14 August 2009, 05:22 AM

Oh crap, I hope this one turns out ok!!

toreli · 14 August 2009, 06:21 AM

nosttrader please pm me with his full name and also the bank account u sent the funds to, i could seek and see if there are any other complains about this person.
Regards

nosttrader · 19 August 2009, 03:37 AM

Status update.

Package arrived today with two bottle water in the box.

:( . Any additional suggestion to recover funds would be appreciated.

Nost

Defiancekofb · 19 August 2009, 03:55 AM

This is the perfect example why I don't do business internationally, just too much of a risk of it being a scam. If you deal within the United States, you can make payment through paypal, which has a pretty easy system to deal with in regards to scams, as well as contacting local authorities an/or FBI regarding the matter. I have a bad feeling that it will be pretty hard to recover the funds. I have heard a story similar to yours, basically the individual was purchasing a PAM 000 from Toronto (buyer residing in the USA), and he got a small envelope box with the DVD case of 300 (Spartan movie) with no CD inside of it.

But he paid through paypal, and after the investigation, he got the funds back. Sometimes it's absolutely worth it to pay the 3% fee for that extra peace of mind.

Bebot · 13 September 2009, 02:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nosttrader

Status update.

Package arrived today with two bottle water in the box.

:( . Any additional suggestion to recover funds would be appreciated.

Nost

Nost,

I did not see this thread at all. Now I understand your hesitation dealing with me. I hope our transaction meet your satisfaction.

I can only say to this forum, that Nost is a straight up guy.

onkyo · 13 September 2009, 04:05 PM

Always stay within your watch buying family....... trips to the outside are at your own risk.

Sorry to hear about your loss.

12 August 2009, 02:46 AM	#1
nosttrader "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: California Posts: 25	What would you do if you been scammed? Who would you file a claim with if the seller is in Ottawa, Ontario Canada. The seller did provide me with a tracking number and hopefully the watch is enroute. But I'm fearful it might not arrive. Nost

12 August 2009, 03:00 AM	#3
wulu "TRF" Member Join Date: May 2009 Location: canada Posts: 118	Contact the Ontario Police Department and also the RCMP http://www.rcmp-grc.gc.ca/index-eng.htm __________________ Rolex Daytona Z 116509, Day-Date, Deepsea Tudor Heritage Black Dial AP ROO Panda JLC Master Compressor Diver Chrono

12 August 2009, 05:17 PM	#11
TurboWatch "TRF" Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: NorCal Posts: 1,641	I suggest people do the DD's people buying make sure the Bank account provided bears the SAME name as the purchaser ( if you're a buyer ) As for not only cell but home phone number Get home and work address. There have been many documented scammers who are working out of Canada these days ( watchnet.com under deal watch ) If you're a seller: Verify with your bank to make sure the fund was wired and not a check deposited to your account.

14 August 2009, 05:22 AM	#15
jon84gt "TRF" Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Real Name: Jon Location: Chattanooga Tn. Watch: Gmt master II Posts: 172	Oh crap, I hope this one turns out ok!! __________________ Gmt master 16710 Omega 3570.50 "Moon Watch" Tudor Sub NAWCC member

12 August 2009, 02:57 AM	#2
newmedia "TRF" Member Join Date: May 2009 Location: Austin Posts: 526	not much other than trying to recover your money through what ever financial institution was used to send money.

12 August 2009, 03:08 AM	#4
onkyo Banned Join Date: Apr 2008 Real Name: Pav Location: Manhattan Posts: 11,495	Can you provide more details of the possible scam? Where you bought the watch, history/references of sellers, link to posting, payment details, etc.

12 August 2009, 03:20 AM	#5
nosttrader "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: California Posts: 25	Onkyo, I purchased a Pam 104 from Paneristi forum from theDiver. The transaction went smooth. I watch was shipped out last week and sent expedited USA which is like parcel post here in the states. The seller gave me a few reference and one person replied. I sent a wire to his bank RBC. Current tracking information is 2009/08/08 11:09 International shipment has arrived in the destination country 2009/08/05 20:51 International item has left Canada 2009/08/04 17:47 OTTAWA Item accepted at the Post Office So I'm keeping my finger cross. http://www.network54.com/Forum/35339...MINT+(TheDiver) Reason why I'm nervous, a few day later there was another post to sale this another watch. http://www.network54.com/Forum/35339...LNIB+(TheDiver) Nost

12 August 2009, 03:26 AM	#6
nosttrader "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: California Posts: 25	My purchased http://www.network54.com/Forum/35339...MINT+(TheDiver) Money sent via wire from my bank to his RBC bank. Purchased over at Paneristi. I'm afraid cause of the following post by the seller. http://www.network54.com/Forum/35339...LNIB+(TheDiver) According to the tracking number I received. My package is currently 2009/08/08 11:09 International shipment has arrived in the destination country 2009/08/05 20:51 International item has left Canada 2009/08/04 17:47 OTTAWA Item accepted at the Post Office I should find out in a few days. In regards to reference I was able to get one response by his previous buyer. I did a deal on a Panerai timepiece. I was the buyer and he was up in Canada, the watch was as described and shipped in a timely manner. I would gladly deal with him again. Kindest regards, Keeping my finger cross. Nost

12 August 2009, 03:49 AM	#7
nosttrader "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: California Posts: 25	purchased watch from thediver at paneristi forum. I received a reference from one of his previous buyer. Payment was made via wire from my account to his bank RBC.

12 August 2009, 09:10 AM	#8
toreli Banned Join Date: Aug 2009 Real Name: I. Remus Location: Romania & UK Watch: SS Zenith Daytona Posts: 15	Hello there nosttrader, Keep us in touch please with your situation, if indeed you have been cheated please PM me and we could try to find a solution together. I work in a big lawyer company and i think i could be able to get your money back. Keep us in touch. Regards

12 August 2009, 02:15 PM	#9
nosttrader "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: California Posts: 25	Toreli, I will definitely keep you up to date. My plan of action is to wait to see if package arrive. Take picture of packet when it arrives. I was going to file a policy report with the Ottawa fraud department. I will also open a case with IC3, which will work with corresponding goverment party to investigate. And now I have Toreli to help. TIA. Nost

12 August 2009, 05:00 PM	#10
FIB112358 Banned Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: AUS Watch: 1803 Posts: 259	i followed the link you posted for the new watch he is sellin. At the bottom of the page someone has posted a thread to say that the pis are stolen?

13 August 2009, 03:23 AM	#12
nosttrader "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: California Posts: 25	Fib112358, That is what raise my concern. Was he was selling another watch with stolen picture. Still waiting for the package to get delivered. Will keep everyone posted. Nost

14 August 2009, 03:00 AM	#13
toreli Banned Join Date: Aug 2009 Real Name: I. Remus Location: Romania & UK Watch: SS Zenith Daytona Posts: 15	Any news? Indeed is strange, there are a few posts claming the pictures are stolen... keep us informed.

14 August 2009, 03:22 AM	#14
nosttrader "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: California Posts: 25	Toreli, I'm still waiting for the mail to be delivered. Package is still showing pending. The seller did respond to one of my email but hasn't communicated with me via phone. "Hello Sorry I was away Did you get the watch ? you should of gotten it some days ago......." I'll keep everyone posted. Nost

14 August 2009, 06:21 AM	#16
toreli Banned Join Date: Aug 2009 Real Name: I. Remus Location: Romania & UK Watch: SS Zenith Daytona Posts: 15	nosttrader please pm me with his full name and also the bank account u sent the funds to, i could seek and see if there are any other complains about this person. Regards

19 August 2009, 03:37 AM	#17
nosttrader "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: California Posts: 25	Status update. Package arrived today with two bottle water in the box. :( . Any additional suggestion to recover funds would be appreciated. Nost

19 August 2009, 03:55 AM	#18
Defiancekofb "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: US Posts: 1,999	This is the perfect example why I don't do business internationally, just too much of a risk of it being a scam. If you deal within the United States, you can make payment through paypal, which has a pretty easy system to deal with in regards to scams, as well as contacting local authorities an/or FBI regarding the matter. I have a bad feeling that it will be pretty hard to recover the funds. I have heard a story similar to yours, basically the individual was purchasing a PAM 000 from Toronto (buyer residing in the USA), and he got a small envelope box with the DVD case of 300 (Spartan movie) with no CD inside of it. But he paid through paypal, and after the investigation, he got the funds back. Sometimes it's absolutely worth it to pay the 3% fee for that extra peace of mind.

13 September 2009, 04:05 PM	#20
onkyo Banned Join Date: Apr 2008 Real Name: Pav Location: Manhattan Posts: 11,495	Always stay within your watch buying family....... trips to the outside are at your own risk. Sorry to hear about your loss.

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