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GoreX5 · 23 September 2009, 09:28 AM

I have been planning on purchasing a 312 but have noticed lately on TRF and Paneristi a lot of resales from owners who state they have owned the watch for couple of weeks to a couple of months and are selling the watch. I am a bit concerned about that because its not clear why they are reselling but I find it very unusual for such a quick flip. I've worn the watch and its big but not for a PAM. I would appreciate any feedback from current or previous owners who sold or are planning to keep the watch.

Thanks.
TONY G.

emagni · 23 September 2009, 09:34 AM

I don't know why others are flipping it but I sure do love mine and can't see me doing it anytime soon.

RedBaronF2001 · 23 September 2009, 09:34 AM

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Originally Posted by GoreX5

I have been planning on purchasing a 312 but have noticed lately on TRF and Paneristi a lot of resales from owners who state they have owned the watch for couple of weeks to a couple of months and are selling the watch. I am a bit concerned about that because its not clear why they are reselling but I find it very unusual for such a quick flip. I've worn the watch and its big but not for a PAM. I would appreciate any feedback from current or previous owners who sold or are planning to keep the watch.

Thanks.
TONY G.

I just got mine today and I too saw all the FS ads for the 312. I just think they are either tired of it (it has been hyped up greatly) already or they are making a few bucks (maybe)? I do know that I called nearly every AD in the country to find mine and there were a handful (literally) available.

I'm fairly confident I'm going to keep mine because I have owned a few PAMs in the past and this one has what I want:

-1950s brushed case
-steel hands
-quick strap change
-thickness
-REG TM on the crown guard
-in-house movement
-clean dial
-sandwich dial
-300M WR rating

You can't go wrong. And if you do, you can sell it pretty quick. I inquired about a few second hand 312s and they all sold pretty quickly for nearly the price they paid.

bodybump · 23 September 2009, 09:38 AM

How about a pam 88 L series?? They look sharp IMO...

emagni · 23 September 2009, 09:46 AM

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Originally Posted by bodybump

How about a pam 88 L series?? They look sharp IMO...

Oscar, close but no cigar

Bebot · 23 September 2009, 10:38 AM

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Originally Posted by emagni

Oscar, close but no cigar

Yeap! He is about Pam 224 short.

Bebot · 23 September 2009, 10:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GoreX5

I have been planning on purchasing a 312 but have noticed lately on TRF and Paneristi a lot of resales from owners who state they have owned the watch for couple of weeks to a couple of months and are selling the watch. I am a bit concerned about that because its not clear why they are reselling but I find it very unusual for such a quick flip. I've worn the watch and its big but not for a PAM. I would appreciate any feedback from current or previous owners who sold or are planning to keep the watch.

Thanks.
TONY G.

Well, after waiting for a while I finally received mine. But after a few try here and there, it just did not grow on me (too big), so I decided to sell it. I think I like the 282 and if I decide to get another 44 in the future, it will be the 164.

Trurolexer · 23 September 2009, 12:16 PM

Well, usually because they need cash for buy other watch.

TswaneNguni · 23 September 2009, 01:11 PM

Buying a 312 at around less 20% and then just trying to sell it BNIB just under MRSP for a quick few bucks ?? Shall we say a quick $500-1000 profit ?? Simple

PAM28L going for around $12K.Same logic.

Remember pre-recession pricing on the following .... 127/217/24/232/203 ?? Again,simple horological finance 101.

SS Daytonas, especially around 2007 and early 2008,also very high prices in the secondary market.

Anything is just worth what someone else is prepared to pay for it .... a house/shares/car/watches etc.Thats the worth in $$$.....

.... BUT,a PAM on the wrist is priceless !!

ocwatching · 23 September 2009, 01:28 PM

I am not sure what type of deal you all got but 20% on the 312 was just not to be had...I, like REDBARON, called all the dealers to work the angles...the watch was hyped and hot..

and what I see for sale in the 2nd hand market is what I paid BNIB from a AD...
so...unless they got a fantastic deal...they make what $200-300 after the whole transaction?

there will be flippers for that $200..and there are people that just want to get another watch...

but I plan on keeping mine similar to the reasons that Redbaron listed...the affordable inhouse movement really hooked me this time...its a very good value...

bodybump · 23 September 2009, 02:10 PM

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Originally Posted by emagni

Oscar, close but no cigar

ok ok long how about a 317 for 40%off??? Thats a Cigar dipped in Chapagne of a Vintage Dom...

Theres no way i can get that for 40% off hahahaahah so save your PM's!!!

bodybump · 23 September 2009, 02:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bebot

Well, after waiting for a while I finally received mine. But after a few try here and there, it just did not grow on me (too big), so I decided to sell it. I think I like the 282 and if I decide to get another 44 in the future, it will be the 164.

If its too big..then its not going to GROW anymore!!!

ocwatching · 23 September 2009, 02:20 PM

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Originally Posted by bodybump

If its too big..then its not going to GROW anymore!!!

man...you are ON tonite...

Bebot · 23 September 2009, 02:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TswaneNguni

Buying a 312 at around less 20% and then just trying to sell it BNIB just under MRSP for a quick few bucks ?? Shall we say a quick $500-1000 profit ?? Simple

PAM28L going for around $12K.Same logic.

Remember pre-recession pricing on the following .... 127/217/24/232/203 ?? Again,simple horological finance 101.

SS Daytonas, especially around 2007 and early 2008,also very high prices in the secondary market.

Anything is just worth what someone else is prepared to pay for it .... a house/shares/car/watches etc.Thats the worth in $$$.....

.... BUT,a PAM on the wrist is priceless !!

Well, for those who sold their 312, I don't know if they made few bucks, broke even or even lost few bucks. One thing I know for sure though, they made someone very HAPPY.

And that my friend is all it matters.

ocwatching · 23 September 2009, 02:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Bebot

Well, for those who sold their 312, I don't know if they made few bucks, broke even or even lost few bucks. One thing I know for sure though, they made someone very HAPPY.

And that my friend is all it matters.

well said buddy...the new owner must be overjoyed...

emagni · 24 September 2009, 02:05 AM

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Originally Posted by bodybump

ok ok long how about a 317 for 40%off??? Thats a Cigar dipped in Chapagne of a Vintage Dom...

Theres no way i can get that for 40% off hahahaahah so save your PM's!!!

Almost got me there! LOL

c2tcardin · 24 September 2009, 02:42 AM

My guess is they didn't try it on before they bought it and once home they realized it was just too big for them or didn't sit right on their arm. I've bought a few watches then after trying them on for a few weeks you get the feeling they just aren't doing it anymore so you sell it.

What we need is a company that sells high end watches but lets the owner sell it back to the company at a set rate schedule if they decide to or they can keep it or sell it on their own. I think yiou would find more guys willing to try high end watches if they knew there was a way out that was hassle free. My first Rolex was a no date sub that after a few months I realized I didn't like the bent metal clasp and bracelett so I sold it. I sold it for a only hundred than I paid for it so I looked at it as if I had "rented" it for a little while and now it's in a new home.

B. Doggy · 24 September 2009, 03:23 AM

The 312 rocks! You can find most any PAM you want on sencondary market, dealer or otherwise. Watches are always going to be flipped.

Trurolexer · 24 September 2009, 03:28 AM

I'm still want one.

TswaneNguni · 24 September 2009, 03:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ocwatchnewbie

I am not sure what type of deal you all got but 20% on the 312 was just not to be had...I, like REDBARON, called all the dealers to work the angles...the watch was hyped and hot..

and what I see for sale in the 2nd hand market is what I paid BNIB from a AD...
so...unless they got a fantastic deal...they make what $200-300 after the whole transaction?

there will be flippers for that $200..and there are people that just want to get another watch...

but I plan on keeping mine similar to the reasons that Redbaron listed...the affordable inhouse movement really hooked me this time...its a very good value...

Agreed.The 312 is great value.

TswaneNguni · 24 September 2009, 03:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bebot

Well, for those who sold their 312, I don't know if they made few bucks, broke even or even lost few bucks. One thing I know for sure though, they made someone very HAPPY.

And that my friend is all it matters.

Talk about happy people,here are a few ..... All those that ended up with my ex-Rolex collection,the Panerai AD that sold me a few PAMs and me,the owner of a few PAMs.

ocwatching · 24 September 2009, 04:31 AM

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Originally Posted by TswaneNguni

Talk about happy people,here are a few ..... All those that ended up with my ex-Rolex collection,the Panerai AD that sold me a few PAMs and me,the owner of a few PAMs.

Chris...love to see a shot of your collection...
looks great and love the descriptions in your signature...

fourizonly · 25 September 2009, 12:28 AM

I'm selling my 312 to fund another piece. Unless you can get 20% off, it's not really worth flipping. :)

GoreX5 · 25 September 2009, 03:27 AM

Well I guess I sold my Milguass GV for the same reason. I wanted it for a long time and when I finally got it, enjoyed it for a while but I wasn't "in love" with it and ended up selling for a loss but not too bad. Now I am stuck in the situation where I want another piece but can't decide between a 312, 233 or another Daytona. BTW havent seen too many 233 resales out there. What are the 233 fetching from the AD's or grey market nowdays?

TswaneNguni · 25 September 2009, 03:35 AM

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Originally Posted by ocwatchnewbie

Chris...love to see a shot of your collection...
looks great and love the descriptions in your signature...

All pieces are on display in the archives of the forum,but now that I think about it,I have never taken a group shot of all together.I must locate them all and take a group shot .......... now where are the 292 and 289 again ??

ocwatching · 25 September 2009, 03:52 AM

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Originally Posted by TswaneNguni

All pieces are on display in the archives of the forum,but now that I think about it,I have never taken a group shot of all together.I must locate them all and take a group shot .......... now where are the 292 and 289 again ??

well..when you managed to find them

...I love to see the family shot...

RedBaronF2001 · 25 September 2009, 01:22 PM

Funny you mention the 312 resales - I see a ton of 233s for sale now too. 'Tis the season.

23 September 2009, 09:28 AM	#1
GoreX5 "TRF" Member Join Date: May 2008 Real Name: W.G. Location: US Watch: Rolex & PAMS Posts: 300	312 resales I have been planning on purchasing a 312 but have noticed lately on TRF and Paneristi a lot of resales from owners who state they have owned the watch for couple of weeks to a couple of months and are selling the watch. I am a bit concerned about that because its not clear why they are reselling but I find it very unusual for such a quick flip. I've worn the watch and its big but not for a PAM. I would appreciate any feedback from current or previous owners who sold or are planning to keep the watch. Thanks. TONY G. __________________ [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]

23 September 2009, 09:34 AM	#2
emagni "TRF" Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: on Earth Watch: ing TRF Posts: 1,284	I don't know why others are flipping it but I sure do love mine and can't see me doing it anytime soon. __________________ Watches: More than my fingers can count

23 September 2009, 09:38 AM	#4
bodybump ⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐ 2024 SubLV41 Sponsor & Boutique Seller Join Date: Sep 2008 Real Name: Oscar Location: Florida Watch: Me!!! Posts: 23,233	How about a pam 88 L series?? They look sharp IMO... __________________

23 September 2009, 01:28 PM	#10
ocwatching "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Real Name: Phil Location: CA Posts: 5,374	I am not sure what type of deal you all got but 20% on the 312 was just not to be had...I, like REDBARON, called all the dealers to work the angles...the watch was hyped and hot.. and what I see for sale in the 2nd hand market is what I paid BNIB from a AD... so...unless they got a fantastic deal...they make what $200-300 after the whole transaction? there will be flippers for that $200..and there are people that just want to get another watch... but I plan on keeping mine similar to the reasons that Redbaron listed...the affordable inhouse movement really hooked me this time...its a very good value... __________________ too much into watches...

24 September 2009, 02:42 AM	#17
c2tcardin "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Real Name: Jeff Location: NH Watch: Pam 312 & DJ II Posts: 312	My guess is they didn't try it on before they bought it and once home they realized it was just too big for them or didn't sit right on their arm. I've bought a few watches then after trying them on for a few weeks you get the feeling they just aren't doing it anymore so you sell it. What we need is a company that sells high end watches but lets the owner sell it back to the company at a set rate schedule if they decide to or they can keep it or sell it on their own. I think yiou would find more guys willing to try high end watches if they knew there was a way out that was hassle free. My first Rolex was a no date sub that after a few months I realized I didn't like the bent metal clasp and bracelett so I sold it. I sold it for a only hundred than I paid for it so I looked at it as if I had "rented" it for a little while and now it's in a new home. __________________ Cheers, Jeff ------------------------------------------------------ PAM 312, DJ II

23 September 2009, 12:16 PM	#8
Trurolexer Banned Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: USA Watch: 5513MaxiI+PreComex Posts: 18,421	Well, usually because they need cash for buy other watch.

23 September 2009, 01:11 PM	#9
TswaneNguni "TRF" Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Real Name: Chris Location: . Watch: Daytonas/Subs/GMTs Posts: 12,609	Buying a 312 at around less 20% and then just trying to sell it BNIB just under MRSP for a quick few bucks ?? Shall we say a quick $500-1000 profit ?? Simple PAM28L going for around $12K.Same logic. Remember pre-recession pricing on the following .... 127/217/24/232/203 ?? Again,simple horological finance 101. SS Daytonas, especially around 2007 and early 2008,also very high prices in the secondary market. Anything is just worth what someone else is prepared to pay for it .... a house/shares/car/watches etc.Thats the worth in $$$..... .... BUT,a PAM on the wrist is priceless !!

24 September 2009, 03:23 AM	#18
B. Doggy "TRF" Member Join Date: Aug 2008 Real Name: Bryan Location: Oregon Posts: 7,399	The 312 rocks! You can find most any PAM you want on sencondary market, dealer or otherwise. Watches are always going to be flipped. __________________ Rolex / Panerai / Omega

24 September 2009, 03:28 AM	#19
Trurolexer Banned Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: USA Watch: 5513MaxiI+PreComex Posts: 18,421	I'm still want one.

25 September 2009, 12:28 AM	#23
fourizonly "TRF" Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: SoCal Watch: Rolex SS Daytona Posts: 36	I'm selling my 312 to fund another piece. Unless you can get 20% off, it's not really worth flipping. :)

25 September 2009, 03:27 AM	#24
GoreX5 "TRF" Member Join Date: May 2008 Real Name: W.G. Location: US Watch: Rolex & PAMS Posts: 300	Well I guess I sold my Milguass GV for the same reason. I wanted it for a long time and when I finally got it, enjoyed it for a while but I wasn't "in love" with it and ended up selling for a loss but not too bad. Now I am stuck in the situation where I want another piece but can't decide between a 312, 233 or another Daytona. BTW havent seen too many 233 resales out there. What are the 233 fetching from the AD's or grey market nowdays? __________________ [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]

25 September 2009, 01:22 PM	#27
RedBaronF2001 Member Join Date: May 2008 Real Name: Chris Location: Nashville, TN Posts: 575	Funny you mention the 312 resales - I see a ton of 233s for sale now too. 'Tis the season.

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