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DLagent · 8 January 2010, 12:02 PM

I recently bought a (briefly) pre-owned M-serial Sub ND 14060. As I understand, all post-1999 Sub ND's are technically "14060M" models with the 3135 movement. However, the warranty card says 14060, not 14060M. Am I missing something, or does the M in the model number not appear on the warranty card?

Chris3 · 8 January 2010, 01:25 PM

I'm no expert, but I have a v serial 14060M, and it has "14060M" on both the warranty card and on the case between the lugs at 12. And yes, I think that an M serial (being directly before v serial) would be a 14060M, not a 14060.

crazyfingers · 8 January 2010, 01:29 PM

I agree, if its a M series, its should be a 14060M. However the movement is a 3130 and not a 3135(which has a date complication).

Clay · 8 January 2010, 01:30 PM

That's odd??? I have a "K" series 14060M and on my warranty certificate is says:
14060M.

padi56 · 8 January 2010, 08:47 PM

The 14060 will have the cal 3000 and the 14060M the M for modified Cal 3130 which basically is a Cal 3135 without the date complication.And today all the mens Rolex movements except the chronographs are just clones of the Cal 3135 with or without added complications.

DLagent · 8 January 2010, 11:04 PM

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Originally Posted by padi56

The 14060 will have the cal 3000 and the 14060M the M for modified Cal 3130 which basically is a Cal 3135 without the date complication.And today all the mens Rolex movements except the chronographs are just clones of the Cal 3135 with or without added complications.

I'm somewhat familiar with the difference between the 14060 and the 14060M, but my issue is that I have an M22XXXX Sub ND, presumably manufactured in 2007 or 2008 (which means the model number should technically be 14060M), but the plastic card that came with my watch only says 14060 without the M.

padi56 · 9 January 2010, 12:34 AM

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Originally Posted by DLagent

I'm somewhat familiar with the difference between the 14060 and the 14060M, but my issue is that I have an M22XXXX Sub ND, presumably manufactured in 2007 or 2008 (which means the model number should technically be 14060M), but the plastic card that came with my watch only says 14060 without the M.

I would expect its just a mistake on your card the change to the M was 2004
have a check between the lugs for ref number.

chriseskew24 · 9 January 2010, 01:11 AM

Do the serial numbers match??? The one on the card and the one between the lugs.

DLagent · 9 January 2010, 01:19 AM

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Originally Posted by chriseskew24

Do the serial numbers match??? The one on the card and the one between the lugs.

Yes, the serial # on the card matches the serial # on the case. Checked that yesterday with the watch guy.

You really think it could be as simple as a mistake on the card, i.e. Rolex left the M off?

Noonan · 9 January 2010, 01:24 AM

Check the ref # stamp on the case to be sure. There may be a mistake on the warranty card but there definitely shouldn't be a mistake on the case stamping.

DLagent · 9 January 2010, 01:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Noonan

Check the ref # stamp on the case to be sure. There may be a mistake on the warranty card but there definitely shouldn't be a mistake on the case stamping.

By ref #, do you mean the model #? Where is that stamped on the case? I do not see it visibly - is it between the lugs on the opposite side of the case of the serial #?

Noonan · 9 January 2010, 01:33 AM

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Originally Posted by DLagent

is it between the lugs on the opposite side of the case of the serial #?

Correct

DLagent · 9 January 2010, 01:39 AM

Thanks for all the guidance. Any way I can safely remove the bracelet to check that without any special tools, or should I just run back to the watch guy? I take it that if the case is properly stamped "14060M" on the 12 o'clock side, I will stop worrying and chalk it up to a simple snafu on the warranty card. If it is stamped "14060", I'll get serious and go to an AD for a complete review and appraisal.

chriseskew24 · 9 January 2010, 02:31 AM

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Originally Posted by DLagent

Thanks for all the guidance. Any way I can safely remove the bracelet to check that without any special tools, or should I just run back to the watch guy? I take it that if the case is properly stamped "14060M" on the 12 o'clock side, I will stop worrying and chalk it up to a simple snafu on the warranty card. If it is stamped "14060", I'll get serious and go to an AD for a complete review and appraisal.

I use a tooth pick all the time to remove my bracelets. Since the 14060(M) has lug holes this shouldent be a problem. But to get it back on I do have a claw spring bar tool.

DLagent · 9 January 2010, 02:44 AM

This watch is so new to me that I'm nervous screwing around with it, so I just took it back to the watch repair shop and gave them a few bucks to remove the bracelet. The case is in fact stamped "14060M" on the 12 o'clock side and the serial number on the 6 o'clock side does match the warranty card, so I guess I can chalk it up to a mistake on the warranty card. Thanks again!

8 January 2010, 12:02 PM	#1
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8 January 2010, 01:25 PM	#2
Chris3 Member Join Date: May 2009 Location: Australia Posts: 23	I'm no expert, but I have a v serial 14060M, and it has "14060M" on both the warranty card and on the case between the lugs at 12. And yes, I think that an M serial (being directly before v serial) would be a 14060M, not a 14060.

8 January 2010, 01:29 PM	#3
crazyfingers "TRF" Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Real Name: Arjun Location: India Watch: Submariner 14060M Posts: 347	I agree, if its a M series, its should be a 14060M. However the movement is a 3130 and not a 3135(which has a date complication).

8 January 2010, 01:30 PM	#4
Clay Banned Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Up a tree Posts: 4,001	That's odd??? I have a "K" series 14060M and on my warranty certificate is says: 14060M.

9 January 2010, 01:11 AM	#8
chriseskew24 "TRF" Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Real Name: Christopher Location: fort lauderdale Watch: Bunches Posts: 1,860	Do the serial numbers match??? The one on the card and the one between the lugs.

9 January 2010, 01:24 AM	#10
Noonan Banned Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: US Watch: 3570.50 Posts: 2,156	Check the ref # stamp on the case to be sure. There may be a mistake on the warranty card but there definitely shouldn't be a mistake on the case stamping.

9 January 2010, 01:39 AM	#13
DLagent "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Fort Lauderdale Posts: 118	Thanks for all the guidance. Any way I can safely remove the bracelet to check that without any special tools, or should I just run back to the watch guy? I take it that if the case is properly stamped "14060M" on the 12 o'clock side, I will stop worrying and chalk it up to a simple snafu on the warranty card. If it is stamped "14060", I'll get serious and go to an AD for a complete review and appraisal.

9 January 2010, 02:44 AM	#15
DLagent "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Fort Lauderdale Posts: 118	This watch is so new to me that I'm nervous screwing around with it, so I just took it back to the watch repair shop and gave them a few bucks to remove the bracelet. The case is in fact stamped "14060M" on the 12 o'clock side and the serial number on the 6 o'clock side does match the warranty card, so I guess I can chalk it up to a mistake on the warranty card. Thanks again!

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