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InVision · 11 January 2010, 08:59 AM

Apparently, do to my own fault I was scammed right here on TRF. I ordered 4 pouches from eddiehkg and never received them. I really wanted the pouches for my traveling. He sent me an PM and said he had 4 available and gave me his PayPal address. I sent him the $$ and since then he won't answer email or PMs. The admin just told me that he has been banned.

I paid with PayPal so I am hoping for a resolution.

Mike

motomc1 · 11 January 2010, 09:03 AM

and explain what happened. You/they will file a chargeback. You didn't send the payment as "gift" did you? If so I'm not sure how that's handled.

Safetrends · 11 January 2010, 09:06 AM

PayPal will work with you he has had problems before and a record is at PayPal (from what I have heard).

InVision · 11 January 2010, 09:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by motomc1

and explain what happened. You/they will file a chargeback. You didn't send the payment as "gift" did you? If so I'm not sure how that's handled.

No merchandise. Been here before...

Mike

motomc1 · 11 January 2010, 09:11 AM

really no protection to speak of that paypal offers. The buyer is protected as he can file a chargeback through his CC company and will always get it if defrauded. A seller is only protected if the "gift" box is checked. Then the buyer can't file claim. I purchased a 4k rolex a few years back (paid through paypal) and the guy sent a box of copy paper. He had tracking also. I filed a chargeback and had no problem.

armoredsaint · 11 January 2010, 09:15 AM

i am in the same situation as yourself, i filed a dispute about three days ago also - he was quick to reply when you wanted to buy, but after you paypal him he just disappears.

sfm5s461 · 11 January 2010, 11:29 AM

I had a similar issue last month on an eBay purchase. You need to call your credit card company and file a claim within 90 days of purchase. You will be protected under your credit card whether paypal protects or not under the non-receipt of goods - they usually have an agreement with paypal for such instances - when I called to dispute the charge, the rep explained it to me pretty clearly and told me the steps i needed to take - they were very helpful.

Good luck

acosspr · 11 January 2010, 11:34 AM

Paypal will refund your money..
I had the same issue with Eddie and paypal issued a refund..it will take some time but they will refund the money.

JUSTROLEXES · 11 January 2010, 11:40 AM

Sorry to hear that Mike,
You should be 100% covered

, Since the seller doesn't have a record that he shipped you the item, it's should be simple. Just file a none received item and you will get your money back.
Paypal will ask you to file it with them first .

.. " I don't recommend that" it takes lots of time.
It is better to do it with your credit card...
I know it's not the best process but at least you're covered.

Good Luck

armoredsaint · 11 January 2010, 11:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by justrolexes

Sorry to hear that Mike,
You should be 100% covered

, Since the seller doesn't have a record that he shipped you the item, it's should be simple. Just file a none received item and you will get your money back.
Paypal will ask you to file it with them first .

.. " I don't recommend that" it takes lots of time.
It is better to do it with your credit card...
I know it's not the best process but at least you're covered.

Good Luck

you made a good point about using my CC first, will paypal take months? i'm tempted to just file it with AmEx right now because i know they are fast.

acosspr · 11 January 2010, 11:53 AM

Paypal took about 2 weeks for me...I would still file a claim with paypal.
The more claims paypal receives, the better. His paypal accoutn needs to be suspended!
You dont want him to be able to use that account to do this again and again and again... just my 2 cents

Naples09 · 11 January 2010, 11:58 AM

Sorry guys...I hope you all get your money back quickly. Good luck.

Jim

scottschoe · 11 January 2010, 12:44 PM

If the seller did it correctly, you won't get any money back. Most people aren't that smart, so file with Paypal and Amex and you should be getting a refund eventually.

idk01 · 11 January 2010, 08:16 PM

I have my fingers crossed for you Mike and all stung by this scammer

InVision · 11 January 2010, 10:55 PM

Not a big sting, but irritating.

eddiehkg contacted both me and PayPal for a address to send to. I have till 24th or so according to PayPal. Still kinda strange since when you pay for merchandise with PayPal they send the verified address to the seller with the receipt of payment. Oh well...

Mike

armoredsaint · 12 January 2010, 07:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by InVision

Not a big sting, but irritating.

eddiehkg contacted both me and PayPal for a address to send to. I have till 24th or so according to PayPal. Still kinda strange since when you pay for merchandise with PayPal they send the verified address to the seller with the receipt of payment. Oh well...

Mike

exactly! i got the same thing from eddie, he definitely isn't too bright. i went ahead with the claim with paypal.

spuds · 12 January 2010, 07:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by motomc1

....I purchased a 4k rolex a few years back (paid through paypal) and the guy sent a box of copy paper..

oworkman · 12 January 2010, 07:51 AM

I nearly bought four from him, lucky i did not. Good he is banned!

joeychitwood · 12 January 2010, 09:16 AM

I sorry to hear about this scam. These guys deserve the worst that the law can bring down on them.

cnnman · 12 January 2010, 03:47 PM

you will get your money back,,,,

armoredsaint · 15 January 2010, 07:20 AM

UPDATE: looks like eddie finally mailed me my pouch today after multiple emails from myself and paypal...he still didn't respond from the paypal claim either.

what a hassle it was with this person.

Safetrends · 15 January 2010, 07:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by armoredsaint

UPDATE: looks like eddie finally mailed me my pouch today after multiple emails from myself and paypal...he still didn't respond from the paypal claim either.

what a hassle it was with this person.

Maybe he was hoping you would fall of the map and go away.

armoredsaint · 15 January 2010, 07:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Safetrends

Maybe he was hoping you would fall of the map and go away.

haha, crap like that usually motivates me

he was one weird dude

InVision · 16 January 2010, 09:41 AM

I won't be getting my money back.

I have 4 pouches with rectangle inserts as I ordered when I got home from my Las Vegas trip.

Basically all I can say is that the seller needs to work on his communication. Received pouches after only 12 days and pressing the issue with PayPal.

Thx,

Mike

onkyo · 16 January 2010, 10:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by InVision

I won't be getting my money back.

I have 4 pouches with rectangle inserts as I ordered when I got home from my Las Vegas trip.

Basically all I can say is that the seller needs to work on his communication. Received pouches after only 12 days and pressing the issue with PayPal.

Thx,

Mike

Glad it worked out for you.

Maybe the seller learned his lesson. Or maybe not.

Matchbox · 16 January 2010, 10:38 AM

I have used Paypal regularly for years and have only had a few situations where I had to take action against a seller to get a payment refunded.

Paypal wants you to go thru them first & they can get quite agitated when you go to cc co. first, without going thru the Paypal dispute resolution process.

I suspect that this is because it increases Paypal's risk/exposure to get left holding the bag if you resolve directly with cc co. + Paypal can't collect from seller.

The process I have used with success is to initiate Paypal claim & then immediately go directly to cc co. & do same. Results are VERY fast!

Paypal still sends a grumpy message, but you have followed sequence they ask & get speedy results.

11 January 2010, 08:59 AM	#1
InVision Banned Join Date: Dec 2008 Real Name: Mike Location: Destin, FL USA Watch: Outerspace DayDate Posts: 2,662	PayPal to the rescue !! Apparently, do to my own fault I was scammed right here on TRF. I ordered 4 pouches from eddiehkg and never received them. I really wanted the pouches for my traveling. He sent me an PM and said he had 4 available and gave me his PayPal address. I sent him the $$ and since then he won't answer email or PMs. The admin just told me that he has been banned. I paid with PayPal so I am hoping for a resolution. Mike

11 January 2010, 09:03 AM	#2
motomc1 2024 Pledge Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Texas Posts: 1,814	Probably have to call your bank/credit card company .. and explain what happened. You/they will file a chargeback. You didn't send the payment as "gift" did you? If so I'm not sure how that's handled.

11 January 2010, 09:11 AM	#5
motomc1 2024 Pledge Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Texas Posts: 1,814	Remember though...If purchasing outside of ebay there is... really no protection to speak of that paypal offers. The buyer is protected as he can file a chargeback through his CC company and will always get it if defrauded. A seller is only protected if the "gift" box is checked. Then the buyer can't file claim. I purchased a 4k rolex a few years back (paid through paypal) and the guy sent a box of copy paper. He had tracking also. I filed a chargeback and had no problem.

11 January 2010, 11:40 AM	#9
JUSTROLEXES ⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐ 2024 SubLV41 Sponsor & Boutique Seller Join Date: Jul 2009 Real Name: Tony Geha Location: San Diego, CA Watch: Yacht-Master Posts: 51,110	Sorry to hear that Mike, You should be 100% covered , Since the seller doesn't have a record that he shipped you the item, it's should be simple. Just file a none received item and you will get your money back. Paypal will ask you to file it with them first . .. " I don't recommend that" it takes lots of time. It is better to do it with your credit card... I know it's not the best process but at least you're covered. Good Luck __________________ Instagram @JustRolexes 2FA security active

11 January 2010, 12:44 PM	#13
scottschoe "TRF" Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: CA Posts: 3,295	If the seller did it correctly, you won't get any money back. Most people aren't that smart, so file with Paypal and Amex and you should be getting a refund eventually. __________________ __________________

11 January 2010, 09:06 AM	#3
Safetrends Banned Join Date: Oct 2009 Real Name: David Walz Location: San Diego CA USA Watch: my hand. :) Posts: 9,156	PayPal will work with you he has had problems before and a record is at PayPal (from what I have heard).

11 January 2010, 09:15 AM	#6
armoredsaint "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2009 Real Name: Bubba Location: Ohio, USA Watch: GMT Master IIc SS Posts: 318	i am in the same situation as yourself, i filed a dispute about three days ago also - he was quick to reply when you wanted to buy, but after you paypal him he just disappears.

11 January 2010, 11:29 AM	#7
sfm5s461 "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2009 Real Name: Ed Ceraso Location: New York Watch: Red Submariner Posts: 55	I had a similar issue last month on an eBay purchase. You need to call your credit card company and file a claim within 90 days of purchase. You will be protected under your credit card whether paypal protects or not under the non-receipt of goods - they usually have an agreement with paypal for such instances - when I called to dispute the charge, the rep explained it to me pretty clearly and told me the steps i needed to take - they were very helpful. Good luck

11 January 2010, 11:34 AM	#8
acosspr "TRF" Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: US-MST Posts: 91	Paypal will refund your money.. I had the same issue with Eddie and paypal issued a refund..it will take some time but they will refund the money.

11 January 2010, 11:53 AM	#11
acosspr "TRF" Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: US-MST Posts: 91	Paypal took about 2 weeks for me...I would still file a claim with paypal. The more claims paypal receives, the better. His paypal accoutn needs to be suspended! You dont want him to be able to use that account to do this again and again and again... just my 2 cents

11 January 2010, 11:58 AM	#12
Naples09 "TRF" Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Real Name: Jim Location: Naples, FL Posts: 1,795	Sorry guys...I hope you all get your money back quickly. Good luck. Jim

11 January 2010, 08:16 PM	#14
idk01 "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Real Name: Dave Location: Australia Watch: DJ16233TT Posts: 18,485	I have my fingers crossed for you Mike and all stung by this scammer __________________ *Apprentice to Terry Newton; Superstar and Fake Sleuth*

11 January 2010, 10:55 PM	#15
InVision Banned Join Date: Dec 2008 Real Name: Mike Location: Destin, FL USA Watch: Outerspace DayDate Posts: 2,662	Not a big sting, but irritating. eddiehkg contacted both me and PayPal for a address to send to. I have till 24th or so according to PayPal. Still kinda strange since when you pay for merchandise with PayPal they send the verified address to the seller with the receipt of payment. Oh well... Mike

12 January 2010, 07:51 AM	#18
oworkman "TRF" Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Around........ Posts: 544	I nearly bought four from him, lucky i did not. Good he is banned! __________________ Difficulties break some men but make others. Nelson Mandela

12 January 2010, 09:16 AM	#19
joeychitwood "TRF" Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Way Up North USA Watch: Rolexes & Tudors Posts: 6,361	I sorry to hear about this scam. These guys deserve the worst that the law can bring down on them.

12 January 2010, 03:47 PM	#20
cnnman Banned Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: USA Posts: 20	you will get your money back,,,,

15 January 2010, 07:20 AM	#21
armoredsaint "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2009 Real Name: Bubba Location: Ohio, USA Watch: GMT Master IIc SS Posts: 318	UPDATE: looks like eddie finally mailed me my pouch today after multiple emails from myself and paypal...he still didn't respond from the paypal claim either. what a hassle it was with this person.

16 January 2010, 09:41 AM	#24
InVision Banned Join Date: Dec 2008 Real Name: Mike Location: Destin, FL USA Watch: Outerspace DayDate Posts: 2,662	Update I won't be getting my money back. I have 4 pouches with rectangle inserts as I ordered when I got home from my Las Vegas trip. Basically all I can say is that the seller needs to work on his communication. Received pouches after only 12 days and pressing the issue with PayPal. Thx, Mike

16 January 2010, 10:38 AM	#26
Matchbox "TRF" Member Join Date: May 2009 Location: PA - USA Posts: 100	Paypal I have used Paypal regularly for years and have only had a few situations where I had to take action against a seller to get a payment refunded. Paypal wants you to go thru them first & they can get quite agitated when you go to cc co. first, without going thru the Paypal dispute resolution process. I suspect that this is because it increases Paypal's risk/exposure to get left holding the bag if you resolve directly with cc co. + Paypal can't collect from seller. The process I have used with success is to initiate Paypal claim & then immediately go directly to cc co. & do same. Results are VERY fast! Paypal still sends a grumpy message, but you have followed sequence they ask & get speedy results.

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