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jnmarshall · 22 January 2010, 05:57 AM

Probably a simple question, but what is primarily the difference in these two models? I'm looking at both and they appear the same to my eyes. The 16233 is priced higher and it might be newer(?) and that is the only difference I can see. Both are SS/18K yg. Both have what looks like the same jubilee bracelet. Both have the same dials with Roman numerals and what looks like the same hands. One of them does have the numbers upside down for the 5(V) and 6(VI).

Thanks!

JJ Irani · 22 January 2010, 06:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jnmarshall

Probably a simple question, but what is primarily the difference in these two models? I'm looking at both and they appear the same to my eyes. The 16233 is priced higher and it might be newer(?) and that is the only difference I can see. Both are SS/18K yg. Both have what looks like the same jubilee bracelet. Both have the same dials with Roman numerals and what looks like the same hands. One of them does have the numbers upside down for the 5(V) and 6(VI).

Thanks!

Good question actually, Marshall.

The 16013 was the older TT DJ with acrylic crystal and, in some cases, 14K gold (I should know.....that was my very first Rolex way back in Oct. 1980).

The 16233 came in with the sapphire crystal and all models with 18K gold only. Unsure, if there was a change in movement.

The Jubilee bracelet would be the same on both models. Hollow centre gold links with normal steel clasp.

JJ

SLS · 22 January 2010, 06:02 AM

The 16013 has a Finely Engine Turned bezel and the 16233 has a Engine Turned bezel. I believe the 16013 is an older watch as well.
Scott

JJ Irani · 22 January 2010, 06:03 AM

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Originally Posted by SLS

The 16013 One has a Finely Engine Turned bezel and the 16233 has a Engine Turned bezel. I believe the 16013 is an older watch as well.
Scott

16013 was steel & gold!!

Engine-turned bezels were fitted only to the SS models!!

Wolfgang427 · 22 January 2010, 06:17 AM

JJ, you forgot that engine turned bezels were available on the TT Date and all gold Date models as well as some TT and all gold OP's.

galloman · 22 January 2010, 06:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JJ Irani

16013 was steel & gold!!

Engine-turned bezels were fitted only to the SS models!!

I think he meant fluted bezels

SLS · 22 January 2010, 06:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JJ Irani

16013 was steel & gold!!

Engine-turned bezels were fitted only to the SS models!!

I knew it was TT

JJ, I was just going by my chart for the bezel difference....

Type of Bezel...
0 Polished
1 Finely Engine Turned
2 Engine Turned
3 Fluted
4 Hand-Crafted
5 Pyramid
6 Rotating Bezel

galloman · 22 January 2010, 06:21 AM

what does a pyramid bezel look like ?

Wolfgang427 · 22 January 2010, 06:24 AM

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Originally Posted by galloman

what does a pyramid bezel look like ?

Just like its name implies, small pyramids(mainly used on Presidents) on the bezel(give it a sort of diamond look under the right light).

galloman · 22 January 2010, 06:29 AM

gotcha, hadn't heard of that before

sakuraba · 22 January 2010, 07:06 AM

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Originally Posted by wolfgang427

Just like its name implies, small pyramids(mainly used on Presidents) on the bezel(give it a sort of diamond look under the right light).

I've always confused it with the regular fluted bezel.

jnmarshall · 22 January 2010, 07:09 AM

SO the main differences
16233 is newer
16233 is SS and the 16013 is not(??)
16233 is 18k and 16013 can be 14K or 18K
The jubilee band on both is hollow so it's light wieght probably like a Tudor jubilee.

Do both use the same 3035 movement?

acce1999 · 22 January 2010, 07:20 AM

The caliber differs:

Caliber 3035 in all DJ 160XX
Caliber 3135 in all DJ 162XX

The change of crystal and caliber was the main thing going from 160XX to 162XX.

Best,

A

jnmarshall · 22 January 2010, 07:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by acce1999

The caliber differs:

Caliber 3035 in all DJ 160XX
Caliber 3135 in all DJ 162XX

The change of crystal and caliber was the main thing going from 160XX to 162XX.

Best,

A

Thanks for this info. I forgot about the crystal being acrylic(16031) or saphire(16322) too.

JJ Irani · 22 January 2010, 08:02 AM

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Originally Posted by wolfgang427

JJ, you forgot that engine turned bezels were available on the TT Date and all gold Date models as well as some TT and all gold OP's.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but as far as I can remember, the name ENGINE-TURNED BEZEL was only applicable to the SS DJ bezel.

FLUTED bezels are ONLY available in WG, YG or RG.........never in steel.

JJ

Denver Dick · 22 January 2010, 10:50 AM

Oh boy, I get to show it off again.

Here is a TT DJ 16013 with the 3035 movement and acrylic crystal purchased in 1987 right before the switch over to the 3135 movement and sapphire crystal.

faingator · 22 January 2010, 10:58 AM

you "TRF" are so well informed! It's a pleasure reading and learning. Thanks!!!

Rscmaine · 22 January 2010, 09:27 PM

16233
- 16013
220

RolexPete · 23 January 2010, 12:34 AM

Denver Dick:

Is that the original box that came with your TT in 1987? Just asking because I bought the same box set to go with my 1987 16030.

Jackxv · 23 January 2010, 12:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JJ Irani

Correct me if I'm wrong, but as far as I can remember, the name ENGINE-TURNED BEZEL was only applicable to the SS DJ bezel.

FLUTED bezels are ONLY available in WG, YG or RG.........never in steel.

JJ

You're right !

Jack

jnmarshall · 23 January 2010, 12:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Denver Dick

Oh boy, I get to show it off again.

Here is a TT DJ 16013 with the 3035 movement and acrylic crystal purchased in 1987 right before the switch over to the 3135 movement and sapphire crystal.

I like the smaller roman nums on yours over the big ones on the two I'm looking at. Wanna sell

?

I find it funny that the swiss don't know how to count in roman. They use IIII for 4 instead of IV.

idk01 · 23 January 2010, 12:54 AM

Just following on from Wayne, here is my 94 S serial 16233 and accessories.

22 January 2010, 05:57 AM	#1
jnmarshall "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: DFW Posts: 364	Difference between 16013 and 16233? Probably a simple question, but what is primarily the difference in these two models? I'm looking at both and they appear the same to my eyes. The 16233 is priced higher and it might be newer(?) and that is the only difference I can see. Both are SS/18K yg. Both have what looks like the same jubilee bracelet. Both have the same dials with Roman numerals and what looks like the same hands. One of them does have the numbers upside down for the 5(V) and 6(VI). Thanks!

22 January 2010, 06:02 AM	#3
SLS "TRF" Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Real Name: Scott Location: GMT -7 Watch: GMT's & Sub's Posts: 10,401	The 16013 has a Finely Engine Turned bezel and the 16233 has a Engine Turned bezel. I believe the 16013 is an older watch as well. Scott __________________ "The bitterness of poor quality remains long after the sweetness of lower price is forgotten." -Benjamin Franklin Member No. 922

22 January 2010, 10:50 AM	#16
Denver Dick "TRF" Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Real Name: Wayne Location: Ventura County CA Watch: TT DateJust 16013 Posts: 428	Oh boy, I get to show it off again. Here is a TT DJ 16013 with the 3035 movement and acrylic crystal purchased in 1987 right before the switch over to the 3135 movement and sapphire crystal. __________________ Rolex DateJust 16013 Omega Railmaster 2503.52

22 January 2010, 10:58 AM	#17
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22 January 2010, 06:17 AM	#5
Wolfgang427 2024 SubLV41 Pledge Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Real Name: Wolfgang Location: New Jersey. Watch: Rolex Tudor Omega Posts: 5,592	JJ, you forgot that engine turned bezels were available on the TT Date and all gold Date models as well as some TT and all gold OP's.

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galloman "TRF" Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Real Name: Alejandro Location: Chicago, IL Posts: 185	what does a pyramid bezel look like ?

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22 January 2010, 07:09 AM	#12
jnmarshall "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: DFW Posts: 364	SO the main differences 16233 is newer 16233 is SS and the 16013 is not(??) 16233 is 18k and 16013 can be 14K or 18K The jubilee band on both is hollow so it's light wieght probably like a Tudor jubilee. Do both use the same 3035 movement?

22 January 2010, 07:20 AM	#13
acce1999 "TRF" Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: GMT+1 Posts: 2,711	The caliber differs: Caliber 3035 in all DJ 160XX Caliber 3135 in all DJ 162XX The change of crystal and caliber was the main thing going from 160XX to 162XX. Best, A

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23 January 2010, 12:54 AM	#22
idk01 "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Real Name: Dave Location: Australia Watch: DJ16233TT Posts: 18,485	Just following on from Wayne, here is my 94 S serial 16233 and accessories. Attached Images __________________ *Apprentice to Terry Newton; Superstar and Fake Sleuth*

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