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Tools · 18 April 2010, 05:53 AM

As one of our famous statesmen once said .. "Do you feel lucky punk.... well, do ya'"

............ Here are 5 clasps...

Can you find anything wrong with any of them, or is there anything wrong at all.. ???

I'll post the answers in a few days..

Clasp 1

Clasp 2

Clasp 3

Clasp 4

BASSETHOUNDS · 18 April 2010, 06:19 AM

This is tricky Larry .... If we discuss fakes it would be against TRF rules . So based on that I would think they are all good . Only that last one has the wrong scroll work IMHO and that 93520 ref ????

Dan Pierce · 18 April 2010, 06:20 AM

The last clasp has SWISSMADE, all one word. Also, it has the swirls identical on both sides of the crown above ROLEX. Normally the swirls are different on both sides.
dP

JJ Irani · 18 April 2010, 06:22 AM

Clasp 1 has the wrong part no. ending in 3 which is for a Steel/Gold model.............whereas the bracelet appears to be ALL steel.

JJ

Титан · 18 April 2010, 06:22 AM

Larry
After reviewing the five clasps, several issues came up, this is what I have come to the conclusion of:
Clasp 1 Two tone clasp for a SS bracelet

Clasp 2 Not a two tone clasp for a gold colored/SS band from 2002.

Clasp 3 Seems to be fine from 1982.

Clasp 4 Seems to be fine.

Clasp 5 Rolex is offset to the right in the clasp.Two tone bracelet with a SS clasp.[IMG]http://i484.photobucket.com/albums/rr202/WatchWorkshop/Junk/Clasp5.jpg[/IMG

BMAN8 · 18 April 2010, 06:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dan Pierce

The last clasp has SWISSMADE, all one word. Also, it has the swirls identical on both sides of the crown above ROLEX. Normally the swirls are different on both sides.
dP

Agreed. I would also note though that the first clasp also has the word SWISSMADE all in one word.

Tools · 18 April 2010, 06:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BASSETHOUNDS

This is tricky Larry .... If we discuss fakes it would be against TRF rules . So based on that I would think they are all good . Only that last one has the wrong scroll work IMHO and that 93520 ref ????

It's about the discussion of the merits/pitfalls of fakes vs real that lead to the issues...

GeoGio Greece · 18 April 2010, 08:17 AM

Very interesting and GREAT photos

prscustom · 18 April 2010, 08:33 AM

last one is fake for sure

PanosI · 18 April 2010, 09:02 AM

Ok i'll play

1) SWISSMADE: one word, STEELINOX: terrible printing especially the X, J: "burried" in the metal, indications for TT and gold together in a SS bracellet

2) Good for 16713

3) I think Good. It bothers me that there in no month indication.

4) Good for 16610 or 16660

5) SWISSMADE: one word, STEELINOX: not good printing, DE6: terrible spacing, 93250 and not 93520, The right swirl next to crown shoud be up and not facing each other (the 2 lines) and wrong ref for TT bracelet

alglez · 18 April 2010, 09:06 AM

2 and 4 real.

TerryF · 18 April 2010, 03:55 PM

Clasp 5 - Fake - never heard of a 93520 to be honest
Clasp 4 - 1996 - looks good
Clasp 3 - 1990 - looks good
Clasp 2 - Genuine Original Fake
Clasp 1 - Genuine Original Fake

ParisDakarBmw · 18 April 2010, 04:13 PM

This has been a good thread for me to learn on. Thanks Tools for doing this. I studied the details very close before reading any comments. I was proud of myself for noticing SWISSMADE in one word, and the last one had the swirl on the right side that wasn't correct. I need a good link to referance buckle info for sure. I'm glad you posted uniform pictures so there was no dead give away. GOOD THREAD!

Z-Sub · 18 April 2010, 05:02 PM

The letters on the first one did not look as sharp.

deschen · 18 April 2010, 08:15 PM

I'll just wait for the answers :P

BASSETHOUNDS · 18 April 2010, 08:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tools

It's about the discussion of the merits/pitfalls of fakes vs real that lead to the issues...

Absolutly Larry

I still think 1 trough 4 are originals , and only 5th is fake .

Casey VP-26 · 18 April 2010, 08:56 PM

Number 5, has lousy detail, looks fake.

rstein · 18 April 2010, 09:01 PM

Wow.. great thread. Good to know about stuff like this for future reference/purchases!

Welshwatchman · 18 April 2010, 09:47 PM

They must be all genuine, else "Dirty Larry" will have to be hung, drawn and quartered for flagrant breach of the TRF rules.

Kokyuryoku · 18 April 2010, 11:58 PM

1

2

3

4

5

SDDS · 19 April 2010, 02:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JJ Irani

Clasp 1 has the wrong part no. ending in 3 which is for a Steel/Gold model.............whereas the bracelet appears to be ALL steel.

JJ

exactly its SS jubilee bracelet

Idle Swede · 19 April 2010, 03:03 AM

Wow, they make so many different SS bracelets?

Johny · 20 April 2010, 01:28 AM

i will have to wait for the answers larry but i found the tank knee rubbers up on a shelf where i put them.ray said she preferred it without. j.

rfknauss · 20 April 2010, 10:04 AM

Larry, I am certainly not an expert ..... but ONLY clasp #4 looks genuine to me.

therolexguy · 10 May 2010, 11:21 AM

Why did Tools leave us hangin' here? HEY LARRY.....

nickriebe · 10 May 2010, 11:38 AM

Saved this from an earlier post, please deposit all fake crap immediately!

GradyPhilpott · 10 May 2010, 11:58 AM

Through the years the coronet on the dial has changed in size and shape. The clasps, I honestly have paid little attention to. However, clasp 4 is the only one that resembles the quality of the engraving and stamping visible on my Explorer Z series clasp.

I really have no idea, except that some of those look pretty lousy.

HFLO · 10 May 2010, 02:11 PM

I JUST DON'T KNOW which is which

looking forward to the answer/explaintion

a great thread to help newbie like me, and hope more similar to come

thks !

18 April 2010, 05:53 AM	#1
Tools TRF Moderator & 2024 SubLV41 Patron Join Date: May 2007 Real Name: Larry Location: Mojave Desert Watch: GMT's Posts: 43,514	Clasp Detective..... Try Your Luck.. As one of our famous statesmen once said .. "Do you feel lucky punk.... well, do ya'" ............ Here are 5 clasps... Can you find anything wrong with any of them, or is there anything wrong at all.. ??? I'll post the answers in a few days.. Clasp 1 Clasp 2 Clasp 3 Clasp 4 __________________ (Chill ... It's just a watch Forum.....) NAWCC Member

18 April 2010, 06:20 AM	#3
Dan Pierce 2024 Pledge Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Real Name: D'OH! Location: Kentucky Watch: Rolex-1 Tudor-3 Posts: 36,216	The last clasp has SWISSMADE, all one word. Also, it has the swirls identical on both sides of the crown above ROLEX. Normally the swirls are different on both sides. dP __________________ TRF Member# 1668 Bass Player in TRF "AFTER DARK" Bar & NightClub Band Commander-in-Chief of The Nylon Nation The Crown & Shield Club Honorary Member of P-Club

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18 April 2010, 09:06 AM	#11
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18 April 2010, 06:19 AM	#2
BASSETHOUNDS Banned Join Date: Oct 2009 Real Name: Tristan Location: GIRONA , SPAIN Watch: 116520/660/710/334 Posts: 7,147	This is tricky Larry .... If we discuss fakes it would be against TRF rules . So based on that I would think they are all good . Only that last one has the wrong scroll work IMHO and that 93520 ref ????

18 April 2010, 06:22 AM	#4
JJ Irani Fondly Remembered Join Date: May 2005 Real Name: JJ Location: Auckland, NZ Watch: ALL SOLD!! Posts: 74,319	Clasp 1 has the wrong part no. ending in 3 which is for a Steel/Gold model.............whereas the bracelet appears to be ALL steel. JJ __________________ Words fail me in expressing my utmost thanks to ALL of you for this wonderful support during my hour of need!! I firmly believe that my time on planet earth is NOT yet up!! I shall fight this to the very end.......and WIN!!

18 April 2010, 06:22 AM	#5
Титан Banned Join Date: Apr 2010 Real Name: Frank McLaury Location: ON THE ROAD AGAIN Watch: Rolex Submariner Posts: 269	Larry After reviewing the five clasps, several issues came up, this is what I have come to the conclusion of: Clasp 1 Two tone clasp for a SS bracelet Clasp 2 Not a two tone clasp for a gold colored/SS band from 2002. Clasp 3 Seems to be fine from 1982. Clasp 4 Seems to be fine. Clasp 5 Rolex is offset to the right in the clasp.Two tone bracelet with a SS clasp.[IMG]http://i484.photobucket.com/albums/rr202/WatchWorkshop/Junk/Clasp5.jpg[/IMG

18 April 2010, 08:33 AM	#9
prscustom "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Germany Posts: 46	last one is fake for sure

18 April 2010, 09:02 AM	#10
PanosI 2024 Pledge Member Join Date: May 2008 Real Name: Panos Location: Athens, Greece Watch: 16710 Posts: 8,704	Ok i'll play 1) SWISSMADE: one word, STEELINOX: terrible printing especially the X, J: "burried" in the metal, indications for TT and gold together in a SS bracellet 2) Good for 16713 3) I think Good. It bothers me that there in no month indication. 4) Good for 16610 or 16660 5) SWISSMADE: one word, STEELINOX: not good printing, DE6: terrible spacing, 93250 and not 93520, The right swirl next to crown shoud be up and not facing each other (the 2 lines) and wrong ref for TT bracelet

18 April 2010, 03:55 PM	#12
TerryF Member Join Date: Mar 2010 Real Name: Terry Location: Pretoria Watch: GMT Master Posts: 261	Clasp 5 - Fake - never heard of a 93520 to be honest Clasp 4 - 1996 - looks good Clasp 3 - 1990 - looks good Clasp 2 - Genuine Original Fake Clasp 1 - Genuine Original Fake

18 April 2010, 04:13 PM	#13
ParisDakarBmw Banned Join Date: Dec 2009 Real Name: Paul Location: New Haven, CT Watch: 116610 Sub-C Posts: 6,552	This has been a good thread for me to learn on. Thanks Tools for doing this. I studied the details very close before reading any comments. I was proud of myself for noticing SWISSMADE in one word, and the last one had the swirl on the right side that wasn't correct. I need a good link to referance buckle info for sure. I'm glad you posted uniform pictures so there was no dead give away. GOOD THREAD!

18 April 2010, 08:15 PM	#15
deschen "TRF" Member Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Home Posts: 94	I'll just wait for the answers :P

18 April 2010, 08:56 PM	#17
Casey VP-26 "TRF" Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: America Posts: 2,721	Number 5, has lousy detail, looks fake.

18 April 2010, 09:01 PM	#18
rstein Member Join Date: Jan 2010 Real Name: Ryan Location: NY/PA Watch: SS Daytona Posts: 67	Wow.. great thread. Good to know about stuff like this for future reference/purchases!

18 April 2010, 09:47 PM	#19
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19 April 2010, 03:03 AM	#22
Idle Swede Suspended Join Date: Oct 2008 Real Name: Leo Location: Boca Raton Posts: 13,820	Wow, they make so many different SS bracelets?

20 April 2010, 01:28 AM	#23
Johny "TRF" Member Join Date: Mar 2010 Real Name: john Location: Scotland Watch: sub 16610Lv Posts: 13,523	i will have to wait for the answers larry but i found the tank knee rubbers up on a shelf where i put them.ray said she preferred it without. j.

20 April 2010, 10:04 AM	#24
rfknauss 2024 SubLV41 Pledge Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Real Name: Richard Location: Macungie, PA Watch: 5513 Sub, LV Sub Posts: 14,497	Larry, I am certainly not an expert ..... but ONLY clasp #4 looks genuine to me. __________________ *"Few things in life give man as great a pleasure as wearing a Rolex!"* TRF's "AFTER DARK" Bar & NightClub Patron

10 May 2010, 11:21 AM	#25
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10 May 2010, 11:38 AM	#26
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10 May 2010, 11:58 AM	#27
GradyPhilpott 2024 SubLV41 Pledge Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: New Mexico Watch: Seiko #SRK047 Posts: 34,460	Through the years the coronet on the dial has changed in size and shape. The clasps, I honestly have paid little attention to. However, clasp 4 is the only one that resembles the quality of the engraving and stamping visible on my Explorer Z series clasp. I really have no idea, except that some of those look pretty lousy.

10 May 2010, 02:11 PM	#28
HFLO "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Malaysia Watch: 1803 DD Posts: 377	I JUST DON'T KNOW which is which looking forward to the answer/explaintion a great thread to help newbie like me, and hope more similar to come thks ! __________________ time is what a clock measures . . . especially ROLEX !

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