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Old 18 June 2011, 07:32 AM   #1
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Re: Submariner O-Rings in a YM?

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Is it possible to make a YM more water resistant by putting Submariner O-Rings in it? The Submariner (16610) and YM (16622) have roughly the same casing and I was wondering if it would be possible to do this? I am told the waterproof seals are very different between the two.

Also if possible would Rolex be likely to agree to it, or would tell you to go take a jump?

I guess the simplest answer is to get a Submariner or just make do with the 100m YM. But the thing is*I really like the YM and would like to have the added water proofing on it.

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Old 18 June 2011, 07:35 AM   #2
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Old 18 June 2011, 07:42 AM   #3
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@britincall I'm told long term exposure to water of average depths can eat away at the seals. And might be too much for a 100m water resistant watch? I guess it would just be great to have the added security of snorkelling, swimming, whatever water related without having to think twice about the waterproofness of the watch.
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Old 18 June 2011, 07:43 AM   #4
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Is 100m fine and am i over thinking it?
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Old 18 June 2011, 07:48 AM   #5
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I don't know if such a thing is even possible, but I'm sure that Rolex wouldn't perform the task if asked. If you want a watch that is 300m water resistant then you've got the wrong watch. And has been asked above, why?
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Old 18 June 2011, 08:06 AM   #6
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The seals on any waterproof watch need to be checked periodically, whether it's 30m, 300m, or 3000m waterproof. With regards to the construction of the Submariner, although it looks similar to the Yacht-Master (indeed, the Yacht-Master was originally intended to be the next Submariner, but was overruled in favour of the more conservative 16610), the difference will be in the case back. The Submariner has quite a thick case back compared to non-diver's watches, and that's where the difference is made, not the O-rings. 100m is more than adequate for recreational diving, and, realistically, anything over 200m is overkill in real terms. As per Padi's post, there have been fewer people to dive below 300m with regular scuba equipment than there have been on the Moon. Your Yacht-Master is more than capable of taking anything you throw at it - just ensure you rinse it if you have been swimming in salt water, and get the water-proofing checked regularly
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Old 18 June 2011, 08:09 AM   #7
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The 100m and 300m is a static depth test. The actual physical guidelines for water depth an exposure is much, much less.

I'm not planning on diving 300m, but I just want to be more secure that prolonged water exposure will be fine. As long as I get the watch checked out every year. And if not to look for alternatives. Maybe I'll buy a sub or an iwc aquatimer.
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Old 18 June 2011, 08:12 AM   #8
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@the_gmt_master thanks for your detailed response, very good in answering my concerns and question! thank you!
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Old 18 June 2011, 08:16 AM   #9
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@the_gmt_master thanks for your detailed response, very good in answering my concerns and question! thank you!
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Old 18 June 2011, 08:34 AM   #10
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Hi,

Is it possible to make a YM more water resistant by putting Submariner O-Rings in it? The Submariner (16610) and YM (16622) have roughly the same casing and I was wondering if it would be possible to do this? I am told the waterproof seals are very different between the two.

Also if possible would Rolex be likely to agree to it, or would tell you to go take a jump?

I guess the simplest answer is to get a Submariner or just make do with the 100m YM. But the thing is*I really like the YM and would like to have the added water proofing on it.

With Thanks,
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No.. You have not been correctly informed.. The Yachtmaster and the Sub use the exact same O-rings and gaskets, and most parts are actually interchangeable....

It is the thickness of the caseback on the Sub that makes it more depth worthy; not more "waterproof". It is also the unidirectonal bezel that makes the Sub a "Diver" per ISO criteria, which the YM does not have.

Your YM is capable of diving deeper than you can safely go, so there is no need to worry about any additional waterproofness....
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Old 18 June 2011, 11:16 AM   #11
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The 100m and 300m is a static depth test. The actual physical guidelines for water depth an exposure is much, much less.

I'm not planning on diving 300m, but I just want to be more secure that prolonged water exposure will be fine. As long as I get the watch checked out every year. And if not to look for alternatives. Maybe I'll buy a sub or an iwc aquatimer.

Maybe tools or another mod can enlighten us but I'm under the impression that most (rolex also?) watch depth ratings are static under best case scenario, meaning no movement from wearer or water. Once you introduce non static, real world, environments; a cheap 100m watch will not survive even 50 feet of scuba diving. Not sure if rolex (max) ratings are real use ratings or just static? Most experts refer new divers to min 200m rated watches due to this fact.
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Old 22 June 2011, 07:37 AM   #12
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@lortap I'm guessing from ISO standard 2281 of "water resistance" it's 10m for a 100m watch, 20m for a 200m watch, 30m for a 300m watch & 50m for a 500m watch.
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Old 22 June 2011, 07:43 AM   #13
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Thanks timo12345,

From that article even though 200m sounds like a long way down, the real world use puts it out of scuba use for the average watch.....my Frogman I would still trust though
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