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Manofsteelpt · 1 October 2011, 10:12 AM

Hey guys, Im debating between a BNIB JLC Amvox2 192.t4.50 or a preowned PP 5065a Aquanaut.
Both are about the same price... which would you guys pick? I like them both, and cant buy both.
Thanks

Manofsteelpt · 1 October 2011, 10:14 AM

a better pic of the JLC...

kilyung · 1 October 2011, 10:40 AM

Mike,
I'd go JLC as it's larger than the 5065a. I'm also not keen about rubber on a PP.

Mike

chland7 · 1 October 2011, 10:42 AM

For me its the Aquanaut and its not even close. I like rubber straps and am particularly fond of aquanauts and royal oaks though.

h999r · 1 October 2011, 11:01 AM

If I can wear it, I prefer JLC looks much much better ..... to own it Patek for investment only .

Manofsteelpt · 1 October 2011, 11:41 AM

Mike... I like the Rubber on the PP, plus, it would not be my dress watch.

I like both for diff reasons... Resale is deff an issue, as I don't always keep my watches for a long time

how are JLC on resale? I wouldn't be buying at retail. As for the PP, being preowned and quite popular, it's prolly done depreciating.

HL65 · 1 October 2011, 11:52 AM

JLC on resale- awful from my experience. Nice watches but you will take a big hit no matter what anyone tells you- I promise you so. Go with the PP IMHO.

7sins · 1 October 2011, 01:05 PM

Make sure you try them on, while the PP 5065 appealed to me in pictures it looked like a watch from the 80s on my wrist and decided it wasn't for me.

FeelingTheBlues · 1 October 2011, 02:18 PM

Perhaps it will not be your dress watch but I think the PP looks better than the JLC. To be honest, I think the JLC looks a bit too toy-ish while the PP will also look good as an "almost fancy" piece (not to mention I prefer the PP's rubber band too).

Manofsteelpt · 1 October 2011, 02:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 7sins

Make sure you try them on, while the PP 5065 appealed to me in pictures it looked like a watch from the 80s on my wrist and decided it wasn't for me.

Living in Buffalo, I don't have the Pleasure of walking into a shop that has PP, or AP or JLC... I have to buy these blind.
As for the JLC, they are good watches and the movement inside should be pretty top notch, correct?

psv · 1 October 2011, 03:11 PM

The 5065 is too small, you need to get the 5167 if you go the PP route.

As Ken says, the resell on the JLC is pretty bad.

As choices they are vastly different, personally I find the Amvox a bit too busy and cluttered. I had the PP 5167 but it didn't work me - too akward to be a dress watch, esp on a rubber strap, and not tough enough to be a sport watch. It is a watch that is neither here nir there. Having said that, the movement and finish is just beautiful.

subtona · 1 October 2011, 03:41 PM

Pp

kilyung · 1 October 2011, 04:58 PM

It all depends on what you want.

PP: 38mm case, rubber strap (bracelet would be a better option albeit pricey), finishing, movement, resale value

JLC: 43.7mm case, multiple strap options, good finishing, movement

I'd honestly get both used to protect resale value. Both pop up somewhat regularly on several watch forums. My vote is JLC from a value proposition (and I like PPs).

Java · 1 October 2011, 08:50 PM

Watches are so personal so here's another personal opinion.
Definitely buy used on both.

For me the PP is dated,I don't think PP made great watches from Gerald Genta's design work. IMO AP did a better job with the RO. But still not to my taste.
Also from a movement POV I would be less keen on the slow beat PP movement and would favor, by a fair margin, the movement in the JLC.
Overall in absolute terms the JLC has to be a much better watch.
But if you love it, you have to buy the PP.

Manofsteelpt · 1 October 2011, 11:59 PM

Thanks all... I do prefer the sportier look of the JLC, so I believe that'll be my choice

Thanks everyone for the help and thoughts!

drtooth73 · 2 October 2011, 12:47 AM

Did you try them on the wrist?
In person, I did not like the PP. Just as an investment, maybe.

kilyung · 2 October 2011, 01:20 AM

The thinness of PP models is unappealing to many buyers who are used to thicker watches like Rolex Subs or AP ROOs. I think that's one of the reasons why PP has been coming out with bigger models like the 5980 or 5726 Nautiluses.

I personal think the thinness is one of the appealing things about Patek. It just flies under the radar so well.

TSW · 2 October 2011, 01:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by psv

The 5065 is too small, you need to get the 5167 if you go the PP route.

As Ken says, the resell on the JLC is pretty bad.

As choices they are vastly different, personally I find the Amvox a bit too busy and cluttered. I had the PP 5167 but it didn't work me - too akward to be a dress watch, esp on a rubber strap, and not tough enough to be a sport watch. It is a watch that is neither here nir there. Having said that, the movement and finish is just beautiful.

Well said, and i agree on all points

bayerische · 3 October 2011, 01:23 AM

Patek.

rossi46 · 3 October 2011, 01:32 AM

For the life of me I don't understand the appeal of the Aquanaut... The Nautilus, absolutely. But the Aqua just looks tacky, cheezy, unsophisticated, etc.

Submarino · 3 October 2011, 02:14 AM

Patek Aquanaut with no doubt!

Mockingbird · 3 October 2011, 07:07 AM

If you're gonna get a PP, get some complications. The JLC is much more value for the money here.

1 October 2011, 10:12 AM	#1
Manofsteelpt "TRF" Member Join Date: Feb 2011 Real Name: Mike Location: Buffalo, NY Posts: 3,971	JLC Amvox2 or PP 5065 Aqua? Hey guys, Im debating between a BNIB JLC Amvox2 192.t4.50 or a preowned PP 5065a Aquanaut. Both are about the same price... which would you guys pick? I like them both, and cant buy both. Thanks Attached Images

1 October 2011, 10:14 AM	#2
Manofsteelpt "TRF" Member Join Date: Feb 2011 Real Name: Mike Location: Buffalo, NY Posts: 3,971	a better pic of the JLC... Attached Images

1 October 2011, 11:52 AM	#7
HL65 TRF Moderator & 2024 SubLV41 Patron Join Date: Dec 2007 Real Name: Ken Location: SW Florida Watch: One on my wrist. Posts: 64,006	JLC on resale- awful from my experience. Nice watches but you will take a big hit no matter what anyone tells you- I promise you so. Go with the PP IMHO. __________________ *SPEM SUCCESSUS ALIT*

1 October 2011, 03:41 PM	#12
subtona "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Real Name: gus Location: East Coast Watch: APK & sometimes Y Posts: 26,598	Pp __________________

1 October 2011, 08:50 PM	#14
Java "TRF" Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Real Name: Tim Location: Bangkok Watch: Lots Posts: 521	Watches are so personal so here's another personal opinion. Definitely buy used on both. For me the PP is dated,I don't think PP made great watches from Gerald Genta's design work. IMO AP did a better job with the RO. But still not to my taste. Also from a movement POV I would be less keen on the slow beat PP movement and would favor, by a fair margin, the movement in the JLC. Overall in absolute terms the JLC has to be a much better watch. But if you love it, you have to buy the PP. __________________ You don't buy a great watch to tell the time, any more than you would buy a fast car because you're in a hurry.

1 October 2011, 10:40 AM	#3
kilyung 2024 SubLV41 Pledge Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Cave Watch: Sundial Posts: 33,940	Mike, I'd go JLC as it's larger than the 5065a. I'm also not keen about rubber on a PP. Mike

1 October 2011, 10:42 AM	#4
chland7 "TRF" Member Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: tampa Posts: 565	For me its the Aquanaut and its not even close. I like rubber straps and am particularly fond of aquanauts and royal oaks though.

1 October 2011, 11:01 AM	#5
h999r Banned Join Date: May 2011 Real Name: HR Location: Planet Earth Watch: -ing Barts. Posts: 4,244	If I can wear it, I prefer JLC looks much much better ..... to own it Patek for investment only .

1 October 2011, 11:41 AM	#6
Manofsteelpt "TRF" Member Join Date: Feb 2011 Real Name: Mike Location: Buffalo, NY Posts: 3,971	Mike... I like the Rubber on the PP, plus, it would not be my dress watch. I like both for diff reasons... Resale is deff an issue, as I don't always keep my watches for a long time how are JLC on resale? I wouldn't be buying at retail. As for the PP, being preowned and quite popular, it's prolly done depreciating.

1 October 2011, 01:05 PM	#8
7sins "TRF" Member Join Date: Mar 2011 Real Name: B. Location: Beverly Hills, CA Posts: 3,622	Make sure you try them on, while the PP 5065 appealed to me in pictures it looked like a watch from the 80s on my wrist and decided it wasn't for me.

1 October 2011, 02:18 PM	#9
FeelingTheBlues "TRF" Member Join Date: Sep 2011 Real Name: Carl Location: Always moving Watch: If you wish... Posts: 22,039	Perhaps it will not be your dress watch but I think the PP looks better than the JLC. To be honest, I think the JLC looks a bit too toy-ish while the PP will also look good as an "almost fancy" piece (not to mention I prefer the PP's rubber band too).

1 October 2011, 03:11 PM	#11
psv 2024 Pledge Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: USA & France Posts: 11,078	The 5065 is too small, you need to get the 5167 if you go the PP route. As Ken says, the resell on the JLC is pretty bad. As choices they are vastly different, personally I find the Amvox a bit too busy and cluttered. I had the PP 5167 but it didn't work me - too akward to be a dress watch, esp on a rubber strap, and not tough enough to be a sport watch. It is a watch that is neither here nir there. Having said that, the movement and finish is just beautiful.

1 October 2011, 04:58 PM	#13
kilyung 2024 SubLV41 Pledge Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Cave Watch: Sundial Posts: 33,940	It all depends on what you want. PP: 38mm case, rubber strap (bracelet would be a better option albeit pricey), finishing, movement, resale value JLC: 43.7mm case, multiple strap options, good finishing, movement I'd honestly get both used to protect resale value. Both pop up somewhat regularly on several watch forums. My vote is JLC from a value proposition (and I like PPs).

1 October 2011, 11:59 PM	#15
Manofsteelpt "TRF" Member Join Date: Feb 2011 Real Name: Mike Location: Buffalo, NY Posts: 3,971	Thanks all... I do prefer the sportier look of the JLC, so I believe that'll be my choice Thanks everyone for the help and thoughts!

2 October 2011, 12:47 AM	#16
drtooth73 Banned Join Date: Feb 2009 Real Name: W. Stutman Location: Motor City Watch: TT GMT IIC Posts: 2,223	Did you try them on the wrist? In person, I did not like the PP. Just as an investment, maybe.

2 October 2011, 01:20 AM	#17
kilyung 2024 SubLV41 Pledge Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Cave Watch: Sundial Posts: 33,940	The thinness of PP models is unappealing to many buyers who are used to thicker watches like Rolex Subs or AP ROOs. I think that's one of the reasons why PP has been coming out with bigger models like the 5980 or 5726 Nautiluses. I personal think the thinness is one of the appealing things about Patek. It just flies under the radar so well.

3 October 2011, 01:23 AM	#19
bayerische "TRF" Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Real Name: Andreas Location: Margaritaville Watch: Smurf Posts: 19,879	Patek. __________________ Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man.

3 October 2011, 01:32 AM	#20
rossi46 2024 Pledge Member Join Date: May 2008 Real Name: Dan Location: CT, by a lake Watch: 16570 Posts: 1,544	For the life of me I don't understand the appeal of the Aquanaut... The Nautilus, absolutely. But the Aqua just looks tacky, cheezy, unsophisticated, etc. __________________ A watch is about the entire package, not just its appearance. Any large watch company not making its own movement is not making a watch at all; they’re just playing dress-up. --The Watch Snob

3 October 2011, 02:14 AM	#21
Submarino "TRF" Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Real Name: Mr. H Location: Dallas Watch: them for me! Posts: 7,180	Patek Aquanaut with no doubt! __________________ WATCHES ARE THE NEW CURRENCY!/ MEMBER 27491/OFFICIALLY DESIGNATED OLD TIMER /AP OWNERS CLUB MEMBER Instagram @watchcollectinglifestyle

3 October 2011, 07:07 AM	#22
Mockingbird "TRF" Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: -- Posts: 2,097	If you're gonna get a PP, get some complications. The JLC is much more value for the money here.

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