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Old 30 October 2011, 12:32 AM   #31
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Sorry to see BMW so low on the list.

I leased my first one 4 years ago and it was very reliable for 3 years til I traded it in last year for a newer one (which has also been trouble free).

Maybe they become problematic when they get older and out of warranty.

That said, the driving experience is vastly superior to the various Japanese cars that I had always owned in the past (Acura, Toyota and Mazda). If the car is fun 99% of the time then maybe it is worth couple extra trips to the shop...
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Old 30 October 2011, 02:09 AM   #32
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im not surprised that Land rover didn't make the list. Porsche..what happened?!
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Old 30 October 2011, 02:42 AM   #33
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im not surprised that Land rover didn't make the list. Porsche..what happened?!
Land Rover. You also need to buy a tow truck to follow you around, like Jags used to be.
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Old 30 October 2011, 06:16 AM   #34
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im not surprised that Land rover didn't make the list. Porsche..what happened?!
taken over by Audi/VW that's what happened
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Old 30 October 2011, 06:24 AM   #35
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Sorry to see BMW so low on the list.

I leased my first one 4 years ago and it was very reliable for 3 years til I traded it in last year for a newer one (which has also been trouble free).

Maybe they become problematic when they get older and out of warranty.

That said, the driving experience is vastly superior to the various Japanese cars that I had always owned in the past (Acura, Toyota and Mazda). If the car is fun 99% of the time then maybe it is worth couple extra trips to the shop...
agree... driving pleasure of a BMW is spot on until I tested drive a brand new model 1 series last week

Steering is as light as a Toyota Yaris/Corolla Steering
Engine sounds like a sewing machine

That's it.... I will not buy BMW with electric steering and turbo engine
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Old 30 October 2011, 07:29 AM   #36
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agree... driving pleasure of a BMW is spot on until I tested drive a brand new model 1 series last week

Steering is as light as a Toyota Yaris/Corolla Steering
Engine sounds like a sewing machine

That's it.... I will not buy BMW with electric steering and turbo engine
The last models that came with efficient dynamics (4 cylinder engines) in the E9x series did sound like diesel or sewing machines. They are good cars and built quality is great but this is something i did not particularly enjoy.
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Old 30 October 2011, 08:58 AM   #37
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Probably best you don't know ;-) Hampsters drive them. Literally.

I'm pretty sure that's a KIA in the photo. Just sayin'
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Old 30 October 2011, 09:08 AM   #38
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agree... driving pleasure of a BMW is spot on until I tested drive a brand new model 1 series last week

Steering is as light as a Toyota Yaris/Corolla Steering
Engine sounds like a sewing machine

That's it.... I will not buy BMW with electric steering and turbo engine
I'm pretty glad to still have an M54 based car.

Regarding the steering, its a mixed bag, you're coming from an E90, which are heavier on average than most other BMWs. In the E46s they started heavy, went extremely light, then went somewhere in between along the model life, my 328i ('98) steering has almost no power assistance while the 330ci ('01) can be turned with two fingers easily. I've also got a relative with an identical month 330ci and its heavy. E60s are the same, you can have two identical cars from the same year and one is heavy while one is light. The only ones you can count on being the same are the Z4Ms with no power assist.

I have no idea why there is so much variation on the steering weight but its been like that on BMWs since the E36s.

Depending on the model and equipment you also have active steering, servotronic steering etc... all create more differences.
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Old 30 October 2011, 10:19 AM   #39
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I'll never buy anything but a Honda from now on.

I'll probably buy a new Accord in two years.
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Old 30 October 2011, 11:02 AM   #40
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I'll never buy anything but a Honda from now on.

I'll probably buy a new Accord in two years.
As a family we have had 3 civics get over 180,000 miles when we sold them off. Amazing quality. Had little to no problems.
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Old 30 October 2011, 11:33 AM   #41
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I have a 2010 Acura TSX and its a great car. Drive like a nut already have 50k miles on it in less than two years and love it!
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Old 30 October 2011, 01:38 PM   #42
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Most reliable and most Boring car to drive = TOYOTA

"oh what's a feeling.... It's boring"

The most exciting part of my drive is coming home without a single problem on my MB.
Believe me I rather have boring and reliable. I got rid of the S class and got a Toyota 4 Runner and I admit it is a boring car but does the job and does it well!
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For what its worth, we've been down the Japanese route twice, with a Toyota Paseo and a Holden Calais with a Nissan engine/drivetrain, and both were disasters. We ended up replacing that Paseo with an 18 year old 318IS because we just couldn't afford to keep the Toyota on the road, and my best mate now drives a Jaguar X-type because his Honda Legend nearly bankrupted him. There's good and bad in every maker.
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Old 30 October 2011, 03:32 PM   #44
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I once got run over by a Toyota...


Ohhh what a feeling.



(OK, bad joke. Made me think of the movie "They Call Me Bruce")
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Old 30 October 2011, 05:40 PM   #45
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im not surprised that Land rover didn't make the list. Porsche..what happened?!
Its called the Cayenne
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Old 30 October 2011, 05:45 PM   #46
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The most exciting part of my drive is coming home without a single problem on my MB.
Believe me I rather have boring and reliable. I got rid of the S class and got a Toyota 4 Runner and I admit it is a boring car but does the job and does it well!
Based on this logic buy a Seiko then
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Old 30 October 2011, 05:47 PM   #47
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Based on this logic buy a Seiko then
Isn't that what a SS Sub is for?
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Old 30 October 2011, 05:55 PM   #48
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No Mon....the Seiko has a date.
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Old 30 October 2011, 05:57 PM   #49
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Old 31 October 2011, 06:21 AM   #50
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I'll never buy anything but a Honda from now on.

I'll probably buy a new Accord in two years.
X2. I got 200k miles on my first Honda. Have a Honda van trouble free for 8 years. And I also own an Accord. Japanese for me.
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Old 31 October 2011, 06:58 AM   #51
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A company here in town uses Toyota Corollas and Ford Focuses for pick up and delivery of medical samples. They drive them to 250,000 miles and keep copious records on them. The upkeep costs on the Corollas is 23.4 cents/mile and on the Focuses it is 23.6 cents/mile. I suspect that people are just hesitant to find fault with vehicles they like.
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Old 31 October 2011, 07:26 AM   #52
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oh well.....

Boring cars are good cars

wonder if boring people are good people
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Old 31 October 2011, 07:32 AM   #53
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This list isn't accurate, people's perception and biases come in to play.
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Old 31 October 2011, 11:34 AM   #54
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/\ ..just like many other things.
Ive had my '94 Mazda MX6 since new, tho only 115,000+KM now, she's holding up quite well.. besides the usual wear and tear.. Hope to hang on to it, for collector plates....LOL.
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Old 31 October 2011, 11:43 AM   #55
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IMO you can't go wrong with either a toyota, honda or nissan. I've had all three at one time or another & they all make very reliable cars.
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Old 31 October 2011, 11:51 AM   #56
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...and my best mate now drives a Jaguar X-type because his Honda Legend nearly bankrupted him. There's good and bad in every maker.
care to share what model was the legend? ive got one at home, and problems are starting to pop up (mainly electrical, easily fixed tho!)
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Old 31 October 2011, 12:23 PM   #57
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I'm pretty sure that's a KIA in the photo. Just sayin'
Oh right! I was thinking of the Scion XB. No hamsters.
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