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richi · 26 January 2012, 02:13 PM

Hello there,

After a couple of years deliberating, and having a Breitling, which I had numerous problems with - not to mention the store that sold a faulty watch to me, I am now 110% in the market for a Rolex. Specifically a non date sub or a sea dweller.

Am I right in saying that the SD is now only available in the DeepSea version? Id love that, but its out of my price range. Therefore I am looking for the Sub non date.

Can anyone recommend a decent AD in the NJ/NY area that may carry the model I am looking for, please?

Also if anyone could suggest a price I should aim for/be porepared to pay. Is cash still 'king', so to speak? Is it acceptable to enter an AD and ask for a discount?

Any advice offered would be greatly appreciated. I owned a GMT II about ten years ago and sadly had to sell it...oh how i regret that decision!!

Many thanks

Rich

Power Play · 26 January 2012, 04:02 PM

You can still find nice Sea Dwellers on the second hand market, including the trusted sellers here on TRF where I purchased mine. You can acquire a nice one for around 5K. IMHO it's still one of the greatest watches EVER. As you know, the "Dweller" is a bit thicker than the Sub and it's got the helium escape valve. And, of course, it's much more rare

Also own the Deep Sea; it's really cool but the original is cooler.

Good luck with your shopping!

dddrees · 26 January 2012, 09:12 PM

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Originally Posted by power play

you can still find nice sea dwellers on the second hand market, including the trusted sellers here on trf where i purchased mine. You can acquire a nice one for around 5k. Imho it's still one of the greatest watches ever. As you know, the "dweller" is a bit thicker than the sub and it's got the helium escape valve. And, of course, it's much more rare

also own the deep sea; it's really cool but the original is cooler.

Good luck with your shopping!

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Brisman · 26 January 2012, 10:07 PM

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Originally Posted by dddrees

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GEO_79 · 26 January 2012, 10:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Power Play

You can still find nice Sea Dwellers on the second hand market, including the trusted sellers here on TRF where I purchased mine. You can acquire a nice one for around 5K. IMHO it's still one of the greatest watches EVER. As you know, the "Dweller" is a bit thicker than the Sub and it's got the helium escape valve. And, of course, it's much more rare

Also own the Deep Sea; it's really cool but the original is cooler.

Good luck with your shopping!

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le_baroudeur · 26 January 2012, 11:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Power Play

You can still find nice Sea Dwellers on the second hand market, including the trusted sellers here on TRF where I purchased mine. You can acquire a nice one for around 5K. IMHO it's still one of the greatest watches EVER. As you know, the "Dweller" is a bit thicker than the Sub and it's got the helium escape valve. And, of course, it's much more rare

Also own the Deep Sea; it's really cool but the original is cooler.

Good luck with your shopping!

X5

willang · 26 January 2012, 11:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Power Play

You can still find nice Sea Dwellers on the second hand market, including the trusted sellers here on TRF where I purchased mine. You can acquire a nice one for around 5K. IMHO it's still one of the greatest watches EVER. As you know, the "Dweller" is a bit thicker than the Sub and it's got the helium escape valve. And, of course, it's much more rare

Also own the Deep Sea; it's really cool but the original is cooler.

Good luck with your shopping!

x6

azguy · 27 January 2012, 12:39 AM

Have you tried either one on

the SD is thick and top heavy in my opinion and will cost at least $5,000.

On the other hand, a 14060M is lighter, thinner and a great all around watch that could be had for around $4,000, less if you shop hard and don't mind something a tad older

burger'n'fries · 27 January 2012, 05:13 AM

i had the same exact problem recently in choosing between the no-date sub and the SD.

i chose the SEA-DWELLER.

has the same case diameter as a no-date sub, but more presence since it's thicker.

i wear it daily and it's comfortable, never an issue even with a suit. tightly cuffed sweaters are a different matter, but no big deal.

got mine here on TRF from DAVIDSW, an outstanding dealer. it'll be rare to find one brand new still with stickers on it. they're usually priced around 5k-6k and up depending on condition and serial, of course. you'll probably save a few bucks buying from a TRUSTED seller on TRF, but if you feel more comfortable with an AD, then go for it if you can find one.

don't be afraid to haggle.

good luck.

dieseldragon · 27 January 2012, 06:05 AM

Sea Dweller. 14060 is nice, have had a couple, but Sea Dweller is the daddy. If you have had a big heavy Breitling, I don't think the weight/height will be an issue for you.

TSW · 27 January 2012, 06:27 AM

Love them both!

richi · 27 January 2012, 07:46 AM

Really appreciate your opinions guys. I have been in touch with an AD or two in NY and they have given me a price of the sub non date at 6300. I did ask for a cash discount but was told that wasnt possible. Should I be more pushy? In the NY area right now they are almost on back order. Only a few available, but did find one and have it on hold. They can ship it to NJ and I can save on sales tax.

Can anyone advise if thats a decent deal. Ideally I would like a brand new one from an AD - but if thats not possible I have another option to bear in mind thanks to a heads up from another member on here.

Ceramic · 27 January 2012, 08:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by richi

Really appreciate your opinions guys. I have been in touch with an AD or two in NY and they have given me a price of the sub non date at 6300. I did ask for a cash discount but was told that wasnt possible. Should I be more pushy? In the NY area right now they are almost on back order. Only a few available, but did find one and have it on hold. They can ship it to NJ and I can save on sales tax.

Can anyone advise if thats a decent deal. Ideally I would like a brand new one from an AD - but if thats not possible I have another option to bear in mind thanks to a heads up from another member on here.

Hi,

I read your posts, and I can say that I was at the same situation.

SD is discontinued. Deepsea is too big and too expensive.

Missed Coke Bezel GMT, regretful and now have 2 options: 14060M Sub No Date or 116610LN Ceramic Sub.

Coke bezel GMT and the previous SD had a unique look, but I do not believe that Sub No Date has that kind of unique look, as they already achieved better look with the new ceramic Subs, and they will probably will produce the ceramic version of No Dates ( hopefully ) soon.

Personally, 6300 is too high for that watch, a while ago I was quoted 5300 including shipment from an Ebay Private Rolex Seller with a high feedback.

If you do not mind buying a second hand then going with an SD will be better as that has a unique feature and discontinued. Otherwise paying little bit more and getting new ceramic sub is better in my opinion.

Ceramic · 27 January 2012, 08:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by richi

Really appreciate your opinions guys. I have been in touch with an AD or two in NY and they have given me a price of the sub non date at 6300. I did ask for a cash discount but was told that wasnt possible. Should I be more pushy? In the NY area right now they are almost on back order. Only a few available, but did find one and have it on hold. They can ship it to NJ and I can save on sales tax.

Can anyone advise if thats a decent deal. Ideally I would like a brand new one from an AD - but if thats not possible I have another option to bear in mind thanks to a heads up from another member on here.

Hi,

I read your posts, and I can say that I was at the same situation.

SD is discontinued. Deepsea is too big and expensive.

I missed brand new Coke Bezel GMT, now regretful and have 2 options: 14060M Sub No Date or 116610LN Ceramic Sub.

Coke bezel GMT and the previous SD had a unique look, but I do not believe that Sub No Date has that kind of unique look, as they already achieved a better look with the new ceramic Sub. They will also produce the ceramic version of Sub No Date ( hopefully ) soon.

Personally, $ 6300 is too high for that watch, a while ago I was quoted $ 5300 including shipment from an Ebay Private Rolex Seller with a high feedback. After comparing it with the new sub considering the new solid links, the sensitive adjustable clasp and the ceramic bezel I decided not to buy the old version.

If you do not mind buying a second hand then going with an SD (unpolished and at least Z series ) will be an option. Otherwise paying little bit more and getting new ceramic sub is a better option in my opinion.

I do not want to offend any 14060M owner, but that is my opinion at current market situation.

nauticajoe · 27 January 2012, 09:12 AM

SD....hands down!

Z-Sub · 27 January 2012, 09:16 AM

Another vote for SD4000.

Andad · 27 January 2012, 09:23 AM

IMO both the 14060M and the SD are very nice an I would not part with either of mine.

Having said that if I were to buy a Rolex 'diver' today I would most likely buy a new 116610. The clasp, bezel and dial upgrades etc on this new model make it hard to go past.

Transient · 27 January 2012, 09:32 AM

Both are gorgeous.... maybe consider a 16610??

MURRAY · 27 January 2012, 09:50 AM

SD....once you compare it's weight and rugged feel to the no-date sub, you'll be hooked.....

Blueoctopus007 · 27 January 2012, 10:45 AM

The original James Bond cannot be wrong ?

Sea-Dweller all the way !!!

You can still buy them brand new unworn.

03cobraa · 27 January 2012, 12:27 PM

I'll have to vote for the Sea Dweller!

Melanotaenia · 27 January 2012, 12:43 PM

even though the SD is discontinued, they can still be had in LNIB or BNIB condition if you look around and possibly contact some of the trusted sellers here on TRF.

At the very least, near mint condition examples can be had, and this would be the option I would go; the ones with lug holes diversify the SD and allow you to also use different strap combos with it.

I have a SD and it is by far my favorite Rolex

apan · 27 January 2012, 01:37 PM

There are not too many great preowned dealers in Manhattan. Sure, there are quite a few ADs but you will have to pay a premium and Rolex sport models are relatively hard to find.

IMO it would probably be better to buy from the FS section here.

HongNinja · 27 January 2012, 02:22 PM

SD 4 life. Get the SD. I PROMISE you, you'll be grinning for awhile. Trust the freaks around here.

GradyPhilpott · 27 January 2012, 02:54 PM

Personally, I like the 14060M better than the new ceramic date models, but it's a matter of personal preference.

The SD4000 (I guess that name is going to stick) is a great alternative to the Subs.

I understand they are a pretty hot commodity on the used market, so now would probably be the time to pounce, if that's what you really want.

GradyPhilpott · 27 January 2012, 02:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Blueoctopus007

The original James Bond cannot be wrong ?

Sea-Dweller all the way !!!

You can still buy them brand new unworn.

Lion · 28 January 2012, 05:06 AM

I have heard that discounts in NYC can be hard to find on the Tool watches but be patient and you should be able to get one. As stated we do have trusted sellers in the For Sale section so check them out. Both watches you are looking at are really nice and I'm sure opinions on which one to get will be pretty even. I bought and have a new Sub ND that I bought in February of 2009. It was purchased at a local AD and I got a 20% discount off of list.....good luck and happy hunting!!!

ersnyder · 28 January 2012, 05:39 AM

Welcome to TRF! Check out our trusted resellers for a great deal on a SD.

landroverking · 29 January 2012, 12:16 AM

SD is my daily watch.

brownbear · 29 January 2012, 12:19 AM

the SD is awesome!!!!
I am delighted that I have it.
I do want a ND sub..
I s'pose that if I had a ND Sub, I would love it and I would be wanting a SD.
Hope this Helps.

26 January 2012, 02:13 PM	#1
richi Member Join Date: May 2009 Real Name: Rich Location: new jersey Watch: Submariner Posts: 74	SeaDweller /Sub (non-Date) Hello there, After a couple of years deliberating, and having a Breitling, which I had numerous problems with - not to mention the store that sold a faulty watch to me, I am now 110% in the market for a Rolex. Specifically a non date sub or a sea dweller. Am I right in saying that the SD is now only available in the DeepSea version? Id love that, but its out of my price range. Therefore I am looking for the Sub non date. Can anyone recommend a decent AD in the NJ/NY area that may carry the model I am looking for, please? Also if anyone could suggest a price I should aim for/be porepared to pay. Is cash still 'king', so to speak? Is it acceptable to enter an AD and ask for a discount? Any advice offered would be greatly appreciated. I owned a GMT II about ten years ago and sadly had to sell it...oh how i regret that decision!! Many thanks Rich

27 January 2012, 05:13 AM	#9
burger'n'fries Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: CA Watch: 42mm Exp 2 Posts: 378	i had the same exact problem recently in choosing between the no-date sub and the SD. i chose the SEA-DWELLER. has the same case diameter as a no-date sub, but more presence since it's thicker. i wear it daily and it's comfortable, never an issue even with a suit. tightly cuffed sweaters are a different matter, but no big deal. got mine here on TRF from DAVIDSW, an outstanding dealer. it'll be rare to find one brand new still with stickers on it. they're usually priced around 5k-6k and up depending on condition and serial, of course. you'll probably save a few bucks buying from a TRUSTED seller on TRF, but if you feel more comfortable with an AD, then go for it if you can find one. don't be afraid to haggle. good luck. Attached Images

27 January 2012, 06:05 AM	#10
dieseldragon "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Real Name: Ian Location: Spain Watch: Ω & ♛ Posts: 1,321	Sea Dweller. 14060 is nice, have had a couple, but Sea Dweller is the daddy. If you have had a big heavy Breitling, I don't think the weight/height will be an issue for you. __________________ Rolex GMT, Zenith Chronomaster Sport, Zenith Pilot type 20 40mm, IWC mkXVI, Tudor BB58, Glashütte Original SeaQ 39. 5

27 January 2012, 06:27 AM	#11
TSW "TRF" Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Real Name: TSW Location: Le Brassus Watch: Rolex & AP's Posts: 27,449	Love them both! __________________ AP Owners Club IG @swiss.watch.connection

27 January 2012, 09:16 AM	#16
Z-Sub 2024 Pledge Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: So Cal, USA Watch: Not a ONEWatch Man Posts: 7,383	Another vote for SD4000. __________________ SS Submariner Date "Z" SS SeaDweller "D" SS Submariner "Random" TT Blue Submariner "P" SS GMT-Master ll "M", Pepsi Pam 311, 524, 297

26 January 2012, 04:02 PM	#2
Power Play "TRF" Member Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: Minnesota Posts: 473	You can still find nice Sea Dwellers on the second hand market, including the trusted sellers here on TRF where I purchased mine. You can acquire a nice one for around 5K. IMHO it's still one of the greatest watches EVER. As you know, the "Dweller" is a bit thicker than the Sub and it's got the helium escape valve. And, of course, it's much more rare Also own the Deep Sea; it's really cool but the original is cooler. Good luck with your shopping!

27 January 2012, 12:39 AM	#8
azguy Banned Join Date: Sep 2011 Real Name: ------- Location: ------- Watch: --------- Posts: 12,609	Have you tried either one on the SD is thick and top heavy in my opinion and will cost at least $5,000. On the other hand, a 14060M is lighter, thinner and a great all around watch that could be had for around $4,000, less if you shop hard and don't mind something a tad older

27 January 2012, 07:46 AM	#12
richi Member Join Date: May 2009 Real Name: Rich Location: new jersey Watch: Submariner Posts: 74	Really appreciate your opinions guys. I have been in touch with an AD or two in NY and they have given me a price of the sub non date at 6300. I did ask for a cash discount but was told that wasnt possible. Should I be more pushy? In the NY area right now they are almost on back order. Only a few available, but did find one and have it on hold. They can ship it to NJ and I can save on sales tax. Can anyone advise if thats a decent deal. Ideally I would like a brand new one from an AD - but if thats not possible I have another option to bear in mind thanks to a heads up from another member on here.

27 January 2012, 09:12 AM	#15
nauticajoe "TRF" Member Join Date: Feb 2010 Real Name: Joe Location: PA Posts: 14,774	SD....hands down!

27 January 2012, 09:23 AM	#17
Andad 2024 SubLV41 Pledge Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Real Name: Eddie Location: Australia Watch: A few. Posts: 37,534	IMO both the 14060M and the SD are very nice an I would not part with either of mine. Having said that if I were to buy a Rolex 'diver' today I would most likely buy a new 116610. The clasp, bezel and dial upgrades etc on this new model make it hard to go past. __________________ E

27 January 2012, 09:32 AM	#18
Transient "TRF" Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Real Name: Rob Location: Sydney, Australia Watch: Rolex & Omega Posts: 697	Both are gorgeous.... maybe consider a 16610??

27 January 2012, 09:50 AM	#19
MURRAY "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2010 Real Name: Rick Location: Michigan Watch: for that TRF bug!! Posts: 275	SD....once you compare it's weight and rugged feel to the no-date sub, you'll be hooked..... __________________

27 January 2012, 10:45 AM	#20
Blueoctopus007 "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: London, UK Watch: Sea Dweller 16600 Posts: 163	The original James Bond cannot be wrong ? Sea-Dweller all the way !!! You can still buy them brand new unworn. __________________ DEEPSEA SEA-DWELLER 116660 V SERIES DAYTONA SS 116520 V SERIES SEA-DWELLER 16600 V SERIES

27 January 2012, 12:27 PM	#21
03cobraa "TRF" Member Join Date: Mar 2011 Real Name: Kelly Location: In the Bluegrass Watch: 116610LN Posts: 550	I'll have to vote for the Sea Dweller! __________________ SubC 116610LN, DJ 16014, GMT16750 pepsi Matte, Explorer II 16570 Polar V, Sea Dweller 16600, Sub 14060 More to come! "Too many watches, too little time"!

27 January 2012, 12:43 PM	#22
Melanotaenia "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2010 Real Name: Jonathan Location: NYC Watch: Explorers and Subs Posts: 620	even though the SD is discontinued, they can still be had in LNIB or BNIB condition if you look around and possibly contact some of the trusted sellers here on TRF. At the very least, near mint condition examples can be had, and this would be the option I would go; the ones with lug holes diversify the SD and allow you to also use different strap combos with it. I have a SD and it is by far my favorite Rolex __________________ 16570 -- 16600 -- 16610 -- 116610LV -- 216570 -- 116400

27 January 2012, 01:37 PM	#23
apan "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 170	There are not too many great preowned dealers in Manhattan. Sure, there are quite a few ADs but you will have to pay a premium and Rolex sport models are relatively hard to find. IMO it would probably be better to buy from the FS section here.

27 January 2012, 02:22 PM	#24
HongNinja Banned Join Date: May 2011 Location: On Earth Watch: 228238, 114060 Posts: 1,347	SD 4 life. Get the SD. I PROMISE you, you'll be grinning for awhile. Trust the freaks around here.

27 January 2012, 02:54 PM	#25
GradyPhilpott 2024 SubLV41 Pledge Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: New Mexico Watch: Seiko #SRK047 Posts: 34,460	Personally, I like the 14060M better than the new ceramic date models, but it's a matter of personal preference. The SD4000 (I guess that name is going to stick) is a great alternative to the Subs. I understand they are a pretty hot commodity on the used market, so now would probably be the time to pounce, if that's what you really want. __________________ JJ Inaugural TRF $50 Watch Challenge Winner

28 January 2012, 05:06 AM	#27
Lion "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Real Name: Leo Location: Midwest Watch: GMT-II 16710 PEPSI Posts: 21,461	I have heard that discounts in NYC can be hard to find on the Tool watches but be patient and you should be able to get one. As stated we do have trusted sellers in the For Sale section so check them out. Both watches you are looking at are really nice and I'm sure opinions on which one to get will be pretty even. I bought and have a new Sub ND that I bought in February of 2009. It was purchased at a local AD and I got a 20% discount off of list.....good luck and happy hunting!!! __________________ SS GMT-II 16710 PEPSI(Z-serial#) THE ONLY DIFFERENCE BETWEEN MEN AND BOYS IS THE PRICE OF THE TOYS!!! MontBlanc Meisterstuck Doue Silver Barley MontBlanc Meisterstuck Solitaire Doue Signum Proud Card Carrying Member of the Curmudgeons.....Yikes!!!

28 January 2012, 05:39 AM	#28
ersnyder 2024 Pledge Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Real Name: Eric Location: Long Beach CA USA Watch: Rolex Explorer II Posts: 4,102	Welcome to TRF! Check out our trusted resellers for a great deal on a SD.

29 January 2012, 12:16 AM	#29
landroverking "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Real Name: Jay Location: TEXAS Watch: Daytona Posts: 7,648	SD is my daily watch.

29 January 2012, 12:19 AM	#30
brownbear "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2010 Real Name: Danny Location: georgia Watch: it Bub Posts: 1,334	the SD is awesome!!!! I am delighted that I have it. I do want a ND sub.. I s'pose that if I had a ND Sub, I would love it and I would be wanting a SD. Hope this Helps.

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