Tudor 7016 help

[TheHobbit]

I posted this on VRF and was told to post this here.

Good day. I need help with this Tudor 7016 that I have been offered. I have had a look at the watch and thus far I have managed to establish the following:

1. The serial number of the watch, 761xxx falls in the correct range of serial number for the watch (checked against the Tudor Serial number Reference).
2. The model number 7016/0 is engraved between the lugs as is the serial number.

My question is:

1. The owner is willing to bring the watch to RSC for verification. Is this enough as I have been told that sometimes RSC can make mistakes especially on old vintage models.
2. The dial is 'SWISS' and not 'T SWISS T'. Is this a redial? A service dial or a fake?
3. I was told that the watch was originally issued with a Rolex bracelet and clasp. Is this true? if so, what would be the right bracelet, clasp and end piece model numbers? If not, what would be the right Tudor model numbers.

The watch.





Thank you for your time.

[harry in montreal]

YES, it likely had a 20mm folded 7836 or 9315 band on it. just ensure that hte E in REGISTERED DESIGN is correct.

google the following: Tudor case 737738

you will see what the Bad 'E' looks like. the watch looks good. the hands seem bright. maybe relumed. no big deal. dial looks good

[azguy]

I agree with the 9315 call for the bracelet

It looks good although I would want to understand the "swiss" on the dial better.

Pretty lume

[TheHobbit]

Thank you for the responses thus far. The lume on the dial and hands are tritium and the patina are about the same. The hands look 'brighter' due to the way the watch was shot and it was with the iPhone. I will try to take more shots and post it here.

[TheHobbit]

The lume material on the dial and the hands are the same, it is tritium. The patina is about the same. I will try to post more pictures of the watch when I take more.

[Paul]

I think that's possibly a Beyeler service dial on your nice 7016/0.

Although both SWISS and T SWISS T can be found on early 7016 dials, paint failure means original dials often have blemishes and 'warts' on them.

This paint failure means many early 7016's have lost their original dials - usually replaced by a Beyeler service dial.

This ratty, but honest 7016/0 came my way recently ..... in all its warty glory. Apart from the hands (now swapped off) I'm thinking it's all original.

Serial no. 828xxx .... T SWISS T dial ..... 7836 / 380 folded link bracelet

[gslaskin]

That is one gorgeous, well-used Tudor Sub. Love it.

[John in MA]

I used to own a 7016 with a snowflake dial in the same serial range with only a Swiss marked dial.

I posted the same question on VRF and was told by a few that the very first snowflake dialed 7016's were marked with a Swiss only.

No T's. All of them were in good condition as well. Mine and the other 2 owners. I say it's a legit early snowflake dial.

[harry in montreal]

i like the dials that are corroded like Paul's. i have nearly an identical 7021/0. mine has acne. when it came down to buying one, i simply felt most comfortable with shelling out the cash for one of these. hobbitt, your dial is a beauty. if you ever want to , for 100$ you can also get a corrorded 7016 dial off of fleabay.

[TheHobbit]

We, the seller and I will be sending the watch to Rolex Service Center for verification. At the same time I intend to send the watch in for a service as the seller does not have service record. I am sure that Rolex will want to change the crown as it is not in the best of shape. Would Rolex be able to replace the crown with the same original type crown (twin lock I believe) or will they replace it with the newer type crown (trip lock)? Or should I ask Rolex just to service the movement and leave everything as it is?

[harry in montreal]

why waste your money with rolex? it doesnt have a rolex movement. take it to a good watchmaker for a cleaning. do a tube, seals and a plexi. . then do a pressure test. all the work should be around $400.

i like the old twinlock crowns. that part alone at rolex will be at least 100$. its not worth doing a 800-900 service on a watch worth 2200-2400 as is.

[John in MA]

I agree with Harry. I'd never send a Tudor to Rolex for a service. Just not worth it IMO. The amount you pay for the work will never be recouped for a 7016. They just don't have the same value as a 9401.

[TheHobbit]

But would it still be advisable to send the watch to Rolex for verification. The seller will pay for any charges (if any) but he says there will be none as he sends many watches for verification.

I will also get a quote from Rolex as to the cost of servicing the watch. I had a Tudor 94110 that I sent for service with Rolex and the total cost was a bit over USD 250. These were changed.

The crown
The stem tube
New spring bars
New crystal
The winding rotor (due corrosion)
The rehaut?, the metal piece between the crystal and the dial
The hack mechanism (balance stop lever)
The balance pivot
The minute wheel
The pallet lever
The barrel (the barrel and the spring inside)
The barrel bridge

Best regards.

[John in MA]

For $250 I would do it if it's that cheap in Taiwan .

To be honest there isn't any reason to send it for verification except it's free. It's a legit 7016 in mine and others eyes.

If you ever decide to sell let me know! I'll take it. Been wanting a snowflake 7016.

[TheHobbit]

Originally Posted by John in TN

For $250 I would do it if it's that cheap in Taiwan .

To be honest there isn't any reason to send it for verification except it's free. It's a legit 7016 in mine and others eyes.

If you ever decide to sell let me know! I'll take it. Been wanting a snowflake 7016.

Hi John,

Thank you for your replies and time. The owner has yet to decide if he wants to sell or not. He is asking for USD 2,200. He is the one who insisted on going to Rolex Service Center for verification.

As for the charges, it seems, based on my experience and this applies to Tudor, the service centre here have 2 set of charges. On is based on what they see when they open up the watch. So they will quote things like crown, stem tube, crystal, and what ever else they can see that is wrong with the movement. The other charge is a standard USD110. This covers for anything they don't see and find during the service.

Best regards.

[harry in montreal]

wow. that is the deal of the century. my patek certified independent watchmaker charged me about $450 for far less work and much less parts. i would grab it for 2200. its a nice one. these will be going up now that they have reissued them. there will be even more interest in them now.