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Roley · 13 April 2012, 10:18 PM

Out with the old....In with the new.

psv · 13 April 2012, 11:05 PM

Does the lastest gen of 14060 come with solid end links on the bracelet?

Hansch99 · 13 April 2012, 11:11 PM

Between those two, I'd get the 14060M. It's the last of the classic Subs, in my view, and I particularly like the lug holes and lug shape. One of the great things about the 14060M is that for years, it has been its "own watch," with features and dimensions totally unique to it, and that strong link to the Sub's heritage. However, now the 114060 is just a 116610 without the date...nothing else to set it apart, and nothing to make me particularly want to get it.

astrazen · 14 April 2012, 12:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gwalker

I don't get why people wouldn't go with the new one. How many of you go to a car lot and buy the old discontinued model??? If you want a ND Sub buy one that's a few years old and save 50%. The ND Sub C isn't worth the asking price either IMO but I'd rather have it than the older one.

I would love to buy a few discontinued old model cars if you dont mind.

Its not something you have to "get".

WPI · 14 April 2012, 11:50 PM

14060M any day of the week. A true classic

le_baroudeur · 15 April 2012, 02:06 AM

Well, the functionality will not be a criteria: the14060 has been abused for years without failing. Ok, it is a bit more noisy with the endlinks but that is all.

BUT aeshetically, which one does smile at you? Listen to passion, not reason.. because reason tend to decrease over the time, and passion stays forever.

herbie911 · 15 April 2012, 02:43 AM

If you are a flipper, the 14060 will have better resale value in the next 10 years or so. If you want up to date technology and improved solidity, go for the newer model!
Most important, which looks better on your wrist!

I bought a Sub C last month cause I don't tends to sell my watch and it looks stunning on my wrist!

gwalker · 15 April 2012, 03:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by herbie911

If you are a flipper, the 14060 will have better resale value in the next 10 years or so. If you want up to date technology and improved solidity, go for the newer model!
Most important, which looks better on your wrist!

I bought a Sub C last month cause I don't tends to sell my watch and it looks stunning on my wrist!

I disagree. How many 16610s do you se bringing anything close to what a SubC is going for. Same with modern GMTs. The modern ND Sub is never going to be rare and collectable. Just because it's being discontinued doesn't mean the value is going through the roof.

Gundam · 15 April 2012, 03:57 AM

Hard to predict. Depends on prevailing collector sentiment in a few decades' time. On the whole, the 14060(m) will never be rare... But the COSC will have only had barely a 4-year production run, assuming it is in the process of discontinuation... still a lot of them out there and not difficult to source but collectors may subdivide them. Who knows what will be deemed desirable in 50 years time?

jhcam8 · 15 April 2012, 05:14 AM

You'll probably like one over the other in the same way you might prefer the new v. old date models.

Ichaice · 15 April 2012, 07:13 AM

In my humble opinion the 14060M is pretty much the best watch you can buy, it's just got that wow factor

psv · 15 April 2012, 07:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by le_baroudeur

Listen to passion, not reason.. because reason tend to decrease over the time, and passion stays forever.

Love that sentance and rationale.

MrLee · 15 April 2012, 08:09 AM

Get the new one, that tuna can strap will grait and you will end up regretting your purchase. The new ones are a huge improvement.

Here's an example of what I mean

http://www.rolexforums.com/showthread.php?t=228306

dimitros · 15 April 2012, 09:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MrLee

Get the new one, that tuna can strap will grait and you will end up regretting your purchase. The new ones are a huge improvement.

Mine doesn't grate. Not sure what you talking about. I don't regret my purchase at all. In fact I'm wearing my 14060m now. I think I am spoiled by this comfortable light weight watch.

dddrees · 15 April 2012, 09:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ggelvis

Thanks, I just tried the old one, looks great but feels very light. Hope the new one will be available in a couple of mons.

I tend to think the lighter the more comfortable personally. Don't let the blu hairspring be a deciding factor though, you really wont be able to tell one way or another with this item. However the actual case size and bracelet will make a difference. Comparisions can be made now between the older Sub ND and a SubC. Go for the one that makes you the happiest.

polarinda · 15 April 2012, 02:55 PM

The bracelet should be the least of your concern. This thing loves rubber..

astrazen · 15 April 2012, 07:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MrLee

Get the new one, that tuna can strap will grait and you will end up regretting your purchase. The new ones are a huge improvement.

Here's an example of what I mean

http://www.rolexforums.com/showthread.php?t=228306

I have had the DSSD with what is the most advanced Rolex clasp but I got rid. The 14060 is my daily wear and I wouldnt swap it for anything.

Naya72 · 15 April 2012, 07:42 PM

14060M for me...I love the rattling sound and it's just light

z32turbo · 16 April 2012, 06:43 AM

I'd go for the one you like the look of the best. I prefer the newer bracelet over the old so I'd wait for the SubC ND if it were me.

ggelvis · 16 April 2012, 06:45 PM

Many thanks for you guys. I would like to wear both on and then make the final decision.

travisb · 16 April 2012, 06:52 PM

Love the new bezel and bracelet on the updated Subs.

mikkolopez · 16 April 2012, 08:14 PM

I have a 14060M which is my ode to the classic Sub ... but I would also like the new kid on the classic Sub block so i'd also go with the modern 14040M with that ceramic bezel, updated case and bracelet, that is the bomb.

dnagwhogas · 17 April 2012, 12:58 AM

I'd like to try on the new one. The SEL and the new clasp is interesting.

erolorhun · 17 April 2012, 09:08 PM

The 14060M is a paragon of functional design and is absolutely timeless. The new bracelet is good step forward though.

In the end, what the unwashed masses of TRF thinks doesn´t matter one iota. Try both on and go with whichever makes your heart beat a little faster

gmtm2 · 17 April 2012, 09:54 PM

the new one....

tifosi · 17 April 2012, 10:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gwalker

I disagree. How many 16610s do you se bringing anything close to what a SubC is going for. Same with modern GMTs. The modern ND Sub is never going to be rare and collectable. Just because it's being discontinued doesn't mean the value is going through the roof.

What he said.

Go ceramic!

MattUSN · 18 April 2013, 07:05 AM

If one wanted to replace the spring bars on his 114060 with shoulderless spring bars, and not wishing to remove the bracelet, could this be done?

Thanks

hpowders · 18 April 2013, 07:15 AM

Paragon schmaragon. I got the 114060 because if I decide to sell it, I will most likely get more for it than for the 14060M.

LA_LEC · 18 April 2013, 08:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hpowders

Paragon schmaragon. I got the 114060 because if I decide to sell it, I will most likely get more for it than for the 14060M.

Yes but you also paid more for it so one would expect that right.

Bruno C · 18 April 2013, 09:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bigwatchman

Easy. 14060M. Not a fan of the fat lugs.

idem.

15 April 2012, 02:06 AM	#36
le_baroudeur "TRF" Member Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: Rennes, FRANCE Posts: 802	Well, the functionality will not be a criteria: the14060 has been abused for years without failing. Ok, it is a bit more noisy with the endlinks but that is all. BUT aeshetically, which one does smile at you? Listen to passion, not reason.. because reason tend to decrease over the time, and passion stays forever. __________________ Card Carrying Member of the Global Assoc. of Retro-Grouch-Curmudgeons.

15 April 2012, 07:13 AM	#41
Ichaice "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: Earth Posts: 133	14060m In my humble opinion the 14060M is pretty much the best watch you can buy, it's just got that wow factor

15 April 2012, 02:55 PM	#46
polarinda "TRF" Member Join Date: Mar 2011 Real Name: Trav Location: singapore Watch: it Posts: 2,316	The bracelet should be the least of your concern. This thing loves rubber.. Attached Images

16 April 2012, 06:43 AM	#49
z32turbo "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Sea Level Watch: Varies Posts: 6,877	I'd go for the one you like the look of the best. I prefer the newer bracelet over the old so I'd wait for the SubC ND if it were me. __________________ Instagram @z32turbo

16 April 2012, 06:52 PM	#51
travisb 2024 SubLV41 Pledge Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Real Name: Travis Location: FL / NYC Watch: Yes.. Posts: 33,508	I vote ceramic. Love the new bezel and bracelet on the updated Subs.

13 April 2012, 10:18 PM	#31
Roley "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2010 Real Name: Roland Location: GMT -4:00 Today Watch: Enthusiast Posts: 874	Out with the old....In with the new.

13 April 2012, 11:05 PM	#32
psv 2024 Pledge Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: USA & France Posts: 11,078	Does the lastest gen of 14060 come with solid end links on the bracelet?

13 April 2012, 11:11 PM	#33
Hansch99 "TRF" Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: USA Watch: 14060M, 116200 Posts: 318	Between those two, I'd get the 14060M. It's the last of the classic Subs, in my view, and I particularly like the lug holes and lug shape. One of the great things about the 14060M is that for years, it has been its "own watch," with features and dimensions totally unique to it, and that strong link to the Sub's heritage. However, now the 114060 is just a 116610 without the date...nothing else to set it apart, and nothing to make me particularly want to get it.

14 April 2012, 11:50 PM	#35
WPI Member Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: London Watch: PAM088, Daytona, Posts: 25	14060M any day of the week. A true classic

15 April 2012, 02:43 AM	#37
herbie911 "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: united kingdom Posts: 445	If you are a flipper, the 14060 will have better resale value in the next 10 years or so. If you want up to date technology and improved solidity, go for the newer model! Most important, which looks better on your wrist! I bought a Sub C last month cause I don't tends to sell my watch and it looks stunning on my wrist!

15 April 2012, 03:57 AM	#39
Gundam "TRF" Member Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: UK / HK Posts: 188	Hard to predict. Depends on prevailing collector sentiment in a few decades' time. On the whole, the 14060(m) will never be rare... But the COSC will have only had barely a 4-year production run, assuming it is in the process of discontinuation... still a lot of them out there and not difficult to source but collectors may subdivide them. Who knows what will be deemed desirable in 50 years time?

15 April 2012, 05:14 AM	#40
jhcam8 "TRF" Member Join Date: May 2011 Real Name: Jim Location: SE MI, USA Watch: Sub C Posts: 2,068	You'll probably like one over the other in the same way you might prefer the new v. old date models.

15 April 2012, 08:09 AM	#43
MrLee "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2012 Real Name: Lee Location: London Watch: Sub c, smp Posts: 327	Get the new one, that tuna can strap will grait and you will end up regretting your purchase. The new ones are a huge improvement. Here's an example of what I mean http://www.rolexforums.com/showthread.php?t=228306

15 April 2012, 07:42 PM	#48
Naya72 Member Join Date: Sep 2011 Real Name: Naya Location: Kuwait Watch: Keep it simple Posts: 122	14060M for me...I love the rattling sound and it's just light

16 April 2012, 06:45 PM	#50
ggelvis "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: Sydney Posts: 20	Many thanks for you guys. I would like to wear both on and then make the final decision.

16 April 2012, 08:14 PM	#52
mikkolopez "TRF" Member Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Philippines Posts: 2,301	I have a 14060M which is my ode to the classic Sub ... but I would also like the new kid on the classic Sub block so i'd also go with the modern 14040M with that ceramic bezel, updated case and bracelet, that is the bomb.

17 April 2012, 12:58 AM	#53
dnagwhogas "TRF" Member Join Date: Sep 2010 Real Name: MauiBacerdo Location: Chicago Watch: N :Learn Posts: 902	I'd like to try on the new one. The SEL and the new clasp is interesting. __________________ P-Club Member # 7 Time is what prevents everything from happening at once.

17 April 2012, 09:08 PM	#54
erolorhun "TRF" Member Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Stockholm, Sweden Watch: Rolex 14060M Posts: 72	The 14060M is a paragon of functional design and is absolutely timeless. The new bracelet is good step forward though. In the end, what the unwashed masses of TRF thinks doesn´t matter one iota. Try both on and go with whichever makes your heart beat a little faster __________________ Looking for a 114060 (10/12/2022 - got one in 2016 - could´nt get on with it - sat in a drawer for five years, then sold to a friend - ergo, no longer looking..) automobiliana.blogspot.se

17 April 2012, 09:54 PM	#55
gmtm2 "TRF" Member Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Italy Posts: 1,419	the new one.... __________________ forever rolex

18 April 2013, 07:05 AM	#57
MattUSN "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2013 Location: Norfolk Posts: 1	If one wanted to replace the spring bars on his 114060 with shoulderless spring bars, and not wishing to remove the bracelet, could this be done? Thanks

18 April 2013, 07:15 AM	#58
hpowders "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2013 Location: Tampa, Fl Watch: Rolex 114060 Posts: 313	Paragon schmaragon. I got the 114060 because if I decide to sell it, I will most likely get more for it than for the 14060M.

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