Rolex Tiffany

[Rsvrider]

Hi guys, I have opportunity of acquiring an ExpII which was a Tiffany watch. I say "was" bc RSC replaced the face with a standard during service.
Question is, given the fact that it will come with RSC papers stating the change, can I replace it with a Tifanny for a reasonable price? Are those still available for purchase oem or only aftermarket (which I do not want). Just wanting an EXp II with a difference.
Any help or suggestions will be greatly appreciated, thanks.

[gwalker]

Tiffany watches are almost impossible to authenticate from what I've read about them. True collectors of these I would dare say wouldn't want a non original dial. I'm far from an expert on these but I know there are TONs of fake ones. Fake as in a real Rolex but not a true Tiffany. I've only seen a few of the ExpII ones. It just seems very strange that Rolex would replace that. How old was is the watch? You actually have papers from RSC with pics of the original dial? I would think the non original dial would kill the value.

[roger0770]

original papers such as sales receipt from tiffany & co is gold. other than that there is no basis for authentication.

[gwalker]

Originally Posted by roger0770

original papers such as sales receipt from tiffany & co is gold. other than that there is no basis for authentication.

Yea. I was thinking just a peice a paper from RSC saying they removed a dial with Tiffany and Co. wouldn't do it. I know there have been cases of the logo being put on authentic dials. I've read a few threads on this and it gets hairy.

[garymyman]

It seems bizarre to me they would remove the face. Would they replace a Comex dial too?

[Rsvrider]

Originally Posted by gwalker

Yea. I was thinking just a peice a paper from RSC saying they removed a dial with Tiffany and Co. wouldn't do it. I know there have been cases of the logo being put on authentic dials. I've read a few threads on this and it gets hairy.

Good point, I did not know that. Fortunately the price is not a deal braker for a regular Exp II.
Is there a database out there with the s/n f Tiffany Rolex or were they random? Anyone?

[Rsvrider]

Originally Posted by garymyman

It seems bizarre to me they would remove the face. Would they replace a Comex dial too?

I would imagine not, unless the watch was damaged perhaps? Wonder if RSC have stock of old dials/face? Using Comex, would they be able to replace a dial today?
Anyway heres a pic of the paper work from RSC. I would have imagined that RSC would have said NO to servicing a watch with non-original Rolex parts.

Thanks for the input so far, still non a deal breaker. Wish I could find a more accurate way of knowing. The Tiffany info is on the Notes section.

[Paulie 50]

Originally Posted by roger0770

original papers such as sales receipt from tiffany & co is gold. other than that there is no basis for authentication.

The papers are no good without the original Dial, you wear the watch not the papers. If it was me i would give it a miss.

[dddrees]

Originally Posted by Rsvrider

Good point, I did not know that. Fortunately the price is not a deal braker for a regular Exp II.
Is there a database out there with the s/n f Tiffany Rolex or were they random? Anyone?

From everything I've seen (very little really) there's no list that says this serial number is a Sub or even a GMT let alone a Tiffany dial so and so.

Maybe Rolex kept something like this but as far as I know (very little) they have never said something like this exists.

[aandrianto]

you have to ask the original dial back to you if it is possible...

[MonBK]

That paperwork doesn't mean it had a "real" Tiffany dial.

[dddrees]

Originally Posted by garymyman

It seems bizarre to me they would remove the face. Would they replace a Comex dial too?

Possibly, from their point of view it is more important that the watch functions as designed. Besides they aren't collectors.

[dddrees]

Originally Posted by aandrianto

you have to ask the original dial back to you if it is possible...

Rolex controls their parts tightly, they don't typically return replaced parts, at least they don't here in the states.

[Keeperoftime]

Originally Posted by roger0770

original papers such as sales receipt from tiffany & co is gold. Other than that there is no basis for authentication.

x10

[Rsvrider]

Message heard loud and clear. Thanks everyone. To be fair to the seller he never offered it as a Tifanny watch, I found out about the dial when I read the RSC papers. Thought I was getting lucky! Kinda of a barn find Car or Painting in the attic. I guess those are just urban myths. Cheers

[Rsvrider]

Originally Posted by garymyman

It seems bizarre to me they would remove the face. Would they replace a Comex dial too?

Here's the latest mail from the seller. According to him Rolex did/would bc of the T >25 dials:
xxxxx:
some other details which have been provided to other messages:
I bought the watch from Tiffany's in the Dallas Galleria in 1986 with part of the first bonus i earned - unfortunately do not have the original papers - many requests about this probably due to trafficking in fakes
the dial was replaced by Rolex as part of the restoration - this is why you see the footnote "new dial will not have 'Tiffany & Co' on it." - the original dial was inscribed with that
something else to say about the dial is that it is a newer Rolex "Luminova" replacement dial whereas the original was called a "Black Spider Rail" dial - the luminous material in this was apparently found radioactive - the new dial looks quite similar.
This is probably the only watch I will ever sell - I was quite thrilled about it when I bought it, so I'd like someone to have it who will appreciate its elegance and beauty -
thank you for your interest


If true, too bad he didn't know to ask RSC to leave the original intact when service was performed.

[renfield33]

wouldn't pay a premium for this one.

[mike]

I would stay away from it.

Couple of reasons;

Unlike some other double name Rolex watches Tiffany did not mark the case in any way. Many collectors will treat a Tiffany dial as just another Rolex without the paperwork that came with it.

These are among the most faked references out there and the font varied form reference to reference.

There are no OEM Tiffany dials available and to find one would be a project and $$$ assuming all correct and still there's the paperwork thing.

The dial may have been replaced as a matter of service due to "imperfect lumens" (Rolex speak for doesn't glow).

Not a good investment.

[DJJon]

I've got a Tiffany-branded leather deployment strap that supposedly came with a Tiffany Rolex. Anybody know much about these ?

[911SC]

[garymyman]

What years did they make a Tiffany dial? And how much do they normally command over a "normal" dial of the same era?

[Passionata]

T. watches are stunning I think Cartier signed which might looks cooler , in your case the watch has an extra value to those who has a spare T. dial ,with that and w Rolex papers his watch is authentic.

[Rsvrider]

Originally Posted by mike

I would stay away from it.

Couple of reasons;

Unlike some other double name Rolex watches Tiffany did not mark the case in any way. Many collectors will treat a Tiffany dial as just another Rolex without the paperwork that came with it.

These are among the most faked references out there and the font varied form reference to reference.

There are no OEM Tiffany dials available and to find one would be a project and $$$ assuming all correct and still there's the paperwork thing.

The dial may have been replaced as a matter of service due to "imperfect lumens" (Rolex speak for doesn't glow).

Not a good investment.

Thanks, Ill take your advice. But there is a catch, the seller is not imposing any premiums on the watch. He is not selling it as a "Tiffany", he had no idea about any differences. He still doesnt understand. He is selling it as a regular Exp II. It is for sale at a very attractive price. There are no papers (other than the RSC papers) inner box and watch. Good deal if I can get it for a good price? here are some pics:

[Casey VP-26]

Looks Good. Attractive price, SPELLS buy.