Datejust by the numbers

[Alcan]

Hey gang, I'm trying to sort out this Datejust. From the seller:

Model 1601
Movement 1570 non-quickset
Bracelet code N 11
Serial # N/A

From what I can tell, the bracelet code would date it to 1984, but I thought all automatic movements by then were quickset??

[mikey]

The clasp SWISSMADE looks wrong their should be a space SWISS MADE to be authentic.

[Prince]

It's altogether possible that the bracelet is a replacement, and hence newer than the DJ. Was this watch purchased by the seller NEW, or did he/she acquire it from another party?

[Alcan]

Originally Posted by Prince

Was this watch purchased by the seller NEW, or did he/she acquire it from another party?

Allan, I'll have to assume he's a reseller/broker. Been around eBay since 1998, solid 400 + feedbacks, lots of higher end watch sales.

I've asked for the first 3 serial digits, that might sort it out.

[Prince]

Originally Posted by Alcan

Allan, I'll have to assume he's a reseller/broker. Been around eBay since 1998, solid 400 + feedbacks, lots of higher end watch sales.

I've asked for the first 3 serial digits, that might sort it out.

Exactly. Sounds fine as a dealer, but the discrepancy regarding the watch and the bracelet does need to be sorted out. Good luck with that, Al. The watch looks great!

[JJ Irani]

Nice one, Al. That TT DJ was the transition model when the acrylic crystals were phased away and gave way to the sapphire crystals.

Also, note that the 14 K gold has given way to the 18 K gold which yours is.

Superb classic vintage stuff. You might want to check out that bracelet though, especially the connecting pin at the clasp end at 12 o'clock.....as well as the hinge pin between the 2 clasps.

In those days they did not rivet the hinge pin and there was the danger of it slipping out.

Cheers - JJ

[Alcan]

Originally Posted by JJ Irani

Nice one, Al. That TT DJ was the transition model when the acrylic crystals were phased away and gave way to the sapphire crystals.

Also, note that the 14 K gold has given way to the 18 K gold which yours is.

Superb classic vintage stuff. You might want to check out that bracelet though, especially the connecting pin at the clasp end at 12 o'clock.....as well as the hinge pin between the 2 clasps.

In those days they did not rivet the hinge pin and there was the danger of it slipping out.

Cheers - JJ

Thanks for the heads-up, J.J. We're looking for something for one of Nancy's sons. She'd prefer to get him a sports model, as he's recently completed his second Ironman triathlon, but Subs are a bit out of her range right now.

P.S. Your LV looks great! Wanna flip it?

[arttay10]

HI Al - Wish I could help.

I've got my copy of The Rolex Report out - if you need any referencing from there.

[JJ Irani]

Originally Posted by Alcan

Thanks for the heads-up, J.J. We're looking for something for one of Nancy's sons. She'd prefer to get him a sports model, as he's recently completed his second Ironman triathlon, but Subs are a bit out of her range right now.

P.S. Your LV looks great! Wanna flip it?

No worries, Al....but like I said, you seriously need to check out that hinge pin connection.

Today's Rollies have them riveted on both ends so there is no chance of it slipping out. In those days, the pin was just slipped through and I almost lost my very first TT DJ (purchased in Oct. 80) when the hinge pin came half way out. Had to take it back to my AD and have it "pressed" in.

After that, it was always dicey and ify.

JJ

[Wolfgang427]

Just by looking at the watch you can see that it is a pie-pan dial. All of the pie-pans are non-QC. The bracelet is most likely aftermarket.

[XELOR]

Hey JJ...when did those days end? I have a Mid-80's TT DJ. Perhaps Rolex would correct something like that with routine service?

Also, I felt I should send you one of these:

I don't know why.

Originally Posted by JJ Irani

In those days they did not rivet the hinge pin and there was the danger of it slipping out.
Cheers - JJ

[Alcan]

I heard back from the seller, the serial # is 5037xxx which would make it a 1977, while the bracelet dates to 1984.

In any event, the auction's ended. Thanks to all who replied. I'll keep looking.