submariner II

[nauticajoe]

I can't see it happening. That's the beauty with ROLEX.

[jay1988]

Originally Posted by zion_rasta

I think the big watch fad will fade away...just like flave a flave

It's not really a fad though is it ? Watches have slowly become larger over time. That's not really a fad. I'm pretty sure watches will never get smaller. They may stop getting larger but Rolex will never decrease the size of their watches imo.

[gofore59]

42mm Daytona with date function would be off the charts...

[TimeOnMyHands]

Well from a comfort and 24/7 wear-ability standpoint I feel that the 40mm Explorer II / Sub's are about as perfect and comfortable (not to mention robust) as a wrist worm timepiece could be.

[Hairdude1]

Maybe it could happen maybe not. I guess you would have to look at how long R&D is working before said timepiece is released. We have seen newer watches from Rolex that are larger. Maybe when that decision was made they were trying to keep up with the "Larger" watch crowd. With that said Iconic watches like the sub and Daytona might not get the "larger is better" option.

[Surefire]

I think Rolex will stay for 40mm on Subs for there is Deep Sea Dweller to do the job.. Just my opinion :-)

[Dennis2005]

Originally Posted by jay1988

It's not really a fad though is it ? Watches have slowly become larger over timeThat's not really a fad. I'm pretty sure watches will never get smaller. They may. stop getting larger but Rolex will never decrease the size of their watches imo.

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[Cronus4]

I was at an AD on Saturday and they told me that a new Daytona was coming out that was supposed to have a bigger case...she was the rolex brand manager at the AD so I believe her but I'm not sure if anyone else has heard the same?

[RolexguyinSF]

Umm, I hate to break the news to you, but Rolex has already followed the fad. Evidenced by the DJ adding a larger 41mm option, new Exp's went from 40 to 42, Sub C's had their lugs widened to make the watch appear larger, and if that wasn't enough do I even have to mention the DSSD?

I'd even wager next Basel show we will see a larger Daytona.

Originally Posted by mrbill2mrbill2

I don't see Rolex following the bigger is better fad. Rolex progresses at the speed of a glacier. That is what makes Rolex Rolex.

[iLLGT2]

Def a perfect size, and I love , my big watches too!!

[Dr. Robert]

Frankly Scarlette, I don't give a #$%@.....I got good, old small, lug holed Rolex & Tudor watches & that's the way I like it.

[grandmasterP]

I don't know how this post is nasty??

Originally Posted by floater156

I'm not a big fan of your nasty post. Find a new forum if you want to act like a troll.

[PHBouche]

I think the SubC is the perfect size.

[How]

IMHO, the 40mm size is pretty much a part of the Sub's DNA.

To quote Lady Gaga: it was "Born This Way".

It's part of what makes this watch so legendary and is a large part of its character, and what makes this watch so unique.

So why alter its DNA?

But having said that, I had a 42mm Tudor Pelagos, and must admit: I love its 42mm size!!! Not too big, not too small for my liking.

So dare I say: at one point I did wish that Rolex made a 42mm Sub.

Suggestion: offer a 42mm version as well as keeping the 40mm version? But I SO cannot see Rolex doing this....

...to quote Taylor Swift: "Like Ever".







p.s. I measured the width of my SubC with one of those pinching rulers.

And here's what I found:
- Bezel diameter: 40mm
- Case width (from bottom of case at 8 o'clock to bottom of case at 2 o'clock): 41mm

Has anyone else noticed this- that the actual width of the SubC case is 41mm?

This is exactly how the DSSD is measured to 44mm (the bezel width is 43mm).

[Thorien]

I certainly hope they don't!

[Psmith]

Originally Posted by grandmasterP

... do you think there will be a submariner II??

a daytona II?? ...

Rolex only suffix a model name with the 'II' if there are two versions currently in production
E.g. Explorer and Explorer II

But then if the previous version is discontinued, the 'II' version continues to carry this suffix
E.g. GMT II C

Originally Posted by The GMT Master

I'd love to see the Sub be a serious diver's watch again, go back to Rolex's classic design school. Maybe a modest increase to 42mm, classic shape case with bevelled edges, matte bezel, matte dial without WG surrounds, the bracelet from the Pelagos, and a next-generation movement. That would be as close as you can get to the ultimate dive watch, IMO

Yes... and a lumed bezel insert as well

And some alternative straps (like the Black Bay)

And some alternative colours (without a price premium)

Originally Posted by zion_rasta

I think the big watch fad will fade away...just like flave a flave

What fad? 'Big' watches have been around for decades. 42 mm is scarcely a large watch

Do you mean Flavor Flav?

[The GMT Master]

Originally Posted by subtona

Chris,

the newer subs may have added some questionable styling points, but i don't think they gave up anything in the way of dive-ability?

the modern Sub still maintain the same more than adequate depth performance and they are still made of durable steel ... they have increased in price but thats the way things go.

the visibility of the hour plots and hands are improved and the adjustability on the bracelet has been made more versatile.

a matte dial & bezel would be lovely along with plainer plots without WG surrounds, but i don't necessarily think that would improve performance beyond the slightest degree?

just some sub love here



now if they would put lugholes back in the watch... id buy two

Hi Gus,

As a Rolex fan (and a watch fan in general), I have very high standards for the Submariner. For me, it should be the definitive dive watch, the toughest, most user-friendly, at home in the sea as much as it is under a shirt cuff. However, the basic dive capability of the watch hasn't really changed since it's launch in 1953 (barring increases in Water Resistance). Since the change over to sapphire crystals, Submariners have become more and more shiny - the introduction of gloss dials and ceramic bezels have contributed to it being a more appealing watch for your every day user, but it undermines its legibility. It's when you start comparing it against its competition that you realise it could be improved in quite a few ways

For me, a truly great diving watch should have the following criteria: exceptional legibility, toughness, enough water resistance for a professional Scuba Diver to rely on, the ability to be used on compression dives, and adjustability on the wrist

If I was to mark the Sub out of 10 for each of these criteria, I would mark it as follows:

Legibility - 7 out of 10. Not bad, but the addition of AR coating and extra white dial plots would be perfect. Done extremely well by the Pelagos. Bezel luminosity would be a welcome addition, see Blancpain FF, Omega PloProf, Pelagos etc.

Toughness - 8 out of 10. Pretty good, but still one or two weak points. Not a major issue

Water Resistance - 6 out of 10. Average for the market, fine for the vast majority of professional users, but will be pushed to its limits by the deepest professional divers. A modest increase would help this - the Planet Ocean is a good example of giving WR with plenty of room for manouevre without making the watch huge.

Compression Dives - 0 out of 10. Lack of HEV means it is a no-no

Adjustability - 8 out of 10. Glidelock on it is one of the best on the market, but is trumped by its big brother the Deepsea and its (not so) little brother the Pelagos.

You could have all of these things, and it would still be a Submariner - same core design, and it would be more faithful to the original design brief. It just saddens me that Rolex could easily have made the new Sub a truly great watch, but they decided to make it mass market. Let's face it, people would still buy the Sub regardless, but if people think it is the best diver on the market, why not match those perceptions?

Some food for thought

Chris

[Manofsteelpt]

Originally Posted by gofore59

42mm Daytona with date function would be off the charts...

OH YEA!!!!

Originally Posted by RolexguyinSF

Umm, I hate to break the news to you, but Rolex has already followed the fad. Evidenced by the DJ adding a larger 41mm option, new Exp's went from 40 to 42, Sub C's had their lugs widened to make the watch appear larger, and if that wasn't enough do I even have to mention the DSSD?

I'd even wager next Basel show we will see a larger Daytona.

Exactly, and Don't forget the DayDate 2 also coming in at 41mm!