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Carlo Miguel · 23 September 2013, 12:20 PM

Someone's selling me this beautiful PAM 111. I'm just bothered with this half moon deformation in between the lugs...

By the way, it's an H series.

Closer look compared to my cousin's 111

Thanks in advance

Carlo Miguel · 23 September 2013, 12:23 PM

Other pictures....

thsiao · 23 September 2013, 01:56 PM

WTF is that? I would run away and fast.

bry · 23 September 2013, 02:53 PM

Ouch. I would stay away.

Carlo Miguel · 23 September 2013, 05:01 PM

I think its original though, i guess i'm just really bothered with the deformation

Cru Jones · 23 September 2013, 05:50 PM

"deformation" or "giant dent from having been dropped"?

Carlo Miguel · 23 September 2013, 06:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cru Jones

"deformation" or "giant dent from having been dropped"?

What's weird is that it has on both sides...

sugiharto · 23 September 2013, 09:24 PM

If that's a giant dent then it must be a perfect one

Urosfan · 23 September 2013, 09:29 PM

Looks weird

1st amg · 23 September 2013, 09:52 PM

That looks way off, don't think it was dropped, seems like it is deformed from the manufacture which would lead me to believe its not real. I weould have it checked out by AD to make sure before giving away your money.

nick c · 23 September 2013, 10:36 PM

Not good

Mickyfin · 23 September 2013, 11:16 PM

You sure that is not just a reflection? Ask for better photos of in between the lugs?

lapince · 24 September 2013, 12:21 AM

fake or real i wouldn't buy it...

kilyung · 24 September 2013, 12:51 AM

The marks are from a steel bracelet. Someone tried wearing it with a Panerai style bracelet... likely a fake bracelet as the real one (in my experience) leaves scratches but not gouges. There are also pit marks on the movement but I'd need better pics of the dial and movement to give a definitive assessment on the watch. As such I'd stay away.

Jay Tee · 24 September 2013, 12:54 AM

There is also something off about the box set; I suggest you pass.

kilyung · 24 September 2013, 12:58 AM

The card looks different...

nick c · 24 September 2013, 02:14 AM

The card is empty for sure fake

laphroaig007 · 24 September 2013, 02:47 AM

Box is fake. Warranty card also.
And watch also. Never seen such a "chip" on a Luminor... Movement bridges are also of very bad finish !

mfer · 24 September 2013, 03:59 AM

I can see 3 things that would make me walk away.

nycpassat · 24 September 2013, 06:27 AM

horrible fake

fernango · 25 September 2013, 04:43 AM

I would buy it but at an acceptable price, $50 is good.Tell the seller that you want it to check the mistakes with the other ones you have

23 September 2013, 12:20 PM	#1
Carlo Miguel Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Real Name: Carlo Location: Philippines Watch: Rolex Daytona Posts: 444	Need help: fake or real Someone's selling me this beautiful PAM 111. I'm just bothered with this half moon deformation in between the lugs... By the way, it's an H series. Closer look compared to my cousin's 111 Thanks in advance

23 September 2013, 01:56 PM	#3
thsiao "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: SoCal Posts: 1,248	WTF is that? I would run away and fast. __________________ Instagram @lifeofawis www.lifeofawis.com

24 September 2013, 12:54 AM	#15
Jay Tee "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2013 Real Name: Jay Location: Canada Watch: 116520/PAM/PO2500 Posts: 294	There is also something off about the box set; I suggest you pass. __________________ 116520 - 16570 - 16610LV - 16710pepsi - 116234

24 September 2013, 02:47 AM	#18
laphroaig007 "TRF" Member Join Date: Nov 2010 Real Name: Marc Location: France Watch: 116710 & PAM372 Posts: 1,027	Box is fake. Warranty card also. And watch also. Never seen such a "chip" on a Luminor... Movement bridges are also of very bad finish ! __________________ Always look on the bright side of life... Watch addict...

24 September 2013, 03:59 AM	#19
mfer "TRF" Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Real Name: Mik Location: USA Posts: 13,724	I can see 3 things that would make me walk away. __________________ member#3242

23 September 2013, 12:23 PM	#2
Carlo Miguel Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Real Name: Carlo Location: Philippines Watch: Rolex Daytona Posts: 444	Other pictures....

23 September 2013, 02:53 PM	#4
bry "TRF" Member Join Date: Jun 2013 Real Name: Bryan Location: Borneo Posts: 247	Ouch. I would stay away.

23 September 2013, 05:01 PM	#5
Carlo Miguel Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Real Name: Carlo Location: Philippines Watch: Rolex Daytona Posts: 444	I think its original though, i guess i'm just really bothered with the deformation

23 September 2013, 05:50 PM	#6
Cru Jones 2024 SubLV41 Pledge Member Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Paris, France Posts: 35,300	"deformation" or "giant dent from having been dropped"?

23 September 2013, 09:24 PM	#8
sugiharto "TRF" Member Join Date: Aug 2012 Real Name: jimmy Location: id Watch: baby Posts: 335	If that's a giant dent then it must be a perfect one

23 September 2013, 09:29 PM	#9
Urosfan "TRF" Member Join Date: Oct 2012 Location: NYC Watch: Me now Posts: 19,372	Looks weird

23 September 2013, 09:52 PM	#10
1st amg 2024 SubLV41 Pledge Member Join Date: Jun 2013 Real Name: nicholas Location: ottawa canada Watch: Rolex,AP,Panerai Posts: 10,409	That looks way off, don't think it was dropped, seems like it is deformed from the manufacture which would lead me to believe its not real. I weould have it checked out by AD to make sure before giving away your money.

23 September 2013, 10:36 PM	#11
nick c Banned Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: Canada Posts: 26,846	Not good

23 September 2013, 11:16 PM	#12
Mickyfin "TRF" Member Join Date: Feb 2013 Real Name: Michael Location: Suomi Watch: Planet Ocean Posts: 334	You sure that is not just a reflection? Ask for better photos of in between the lugs?

24 September 2013, 12:21 AM	#13
lapince "TRF" Member Join Date: Jun 2013 Location: Mars Watch: 5712 Posts: 11,509	fake or real i wouldn't buy it...

24 September 2013, 12:51 AM	#14
kilyung 2024 SubLV41 Pledge Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Cave Watch: Sundial Posts: 33,940	The marks are from a steel bracelet. Someone tried wearing it with a Panerai style bracelet... likely a fake bracelet as the real one (in my experience) leaves scratches but not gouges. There are also pit marks on the movement but I'd need better pics of the dial and movement to give a definitive assessment on the watch. As such I'd stay away.

24 September 2013, 12:58 AM	#16
kilyung 2024 SubLV41 Pledge Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Cave Watch: Sundial Posts: 33,940	The card looks different...

24 September 2013, 02:14 AM	#17
nick c Banned Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: Canada Posts: 26,846	The card is empty for sure fake

24 September 2013, 06:27 AM	#20
nycpassat "TRF" Member Join Date: Sep 2012 Location: NYC/NJ Posts: 1,107	horrible fake

25 September 2013, 04:43 AM	#21
fernango "TRF" Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Barcelona Posts: 31	I would buy it but at an acceptable price, $50 is good.Tell the seller that you want it to check the mistakes with the other ones you have

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