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DCheeta · 30 September 2013, 07:55 AM

First of all, I did do a search and found nothing like this.

I just got my 1680 back from the NY RSC after a routine full service. The watch was fine when I dropped it off, accuracy-wise, but now it loses time like crazy. I'm not talking about seconds, I'm talking about losing HOURS a day.

The funny thing is, it only seems to run slow when I'm wearing it. When I set it on my desk dial-up overnight, it keeps relatively perfect time until I put it back on in the morning.

Now, I do know that it takes a while for a watch to break-in and get used to your wearing habits after a service or regulation, but this seems like way too much to ever come back from. Am I right?

It's going back to RSC after a week, I know it's no big deal. I was wondering if this is normal, or if they might have actually damaged the movement while servicing it?

Aramis9 · 30 September 2013, 08:05 AM

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Originally Posted by DCheeta

First of all, I did do a search and found nothing like this.

I just got my 1680 back from the NY RSC after a routine full service. The watch was fine when I dropped it off, accuracy-wise, but now it loses time like crazy. I'm not talking about seconds, I'm talking about losing HOURS a day.

The funny thing is, it only seems to run slow when I'm wearing it. When I set it on my desk dial-up overnight, it keeps relatively perfect time until I put it back on in the morning.

Now, I do know that it takes a while for a watch to break-in and get used to your wearing habits after a service or regulation, but this seems like way too much to ever come back from. Am I right?

It's going back to RSC after a week, I know it's no big deal. I was wondering if this is normal, or if they might have actually damaged the movement while servicing it?

Might be something as simple as not putting the hand/s on correctly, while you are wearing it dial down gravity forces the hands to 'slip back'. while its dial up (or even dial down) there is less gravity so the watch shows the correct time. In any case its not acceptable, I wouldn't use it at all until they have it back, if a hand detaches it will probably stop the watch anyway. nor would I be too concerned.. my bet... its a hand problem as it runs OK dial up. Did you have the same hands re-fitted by any chance? It's possible that when removing the hour hand for example that the arbour splits and then is loose on the pinion when re-fitted. Check your hands still are in synch. at the hour. Otherwise if its losing literally hours I'd suggest its actually stopping during wear.

rmfnla · 30 September 2013, 08:17 AM

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Originally Posted by DCheeta

First of all, I did do a search and found nothing like this.

I just got my 1680 back from the NY RSC after a routine full service. The watch was fine when I dropped it off, accuracy-wise, but now it loses time like crazy. I'm not talking about seconds, I'm talking about losing HOURS a day.

The funny thing is, it only seems to run slow when I'm wearing it. When I set it on my desk dial-up overnight, it keeps relatively perfect time until I put it back on in the morning.
Now, I do know that it takes a while for a watch to break-in and get used to your wearing habits after a service or regulation, but this seems like way too much to ever come back from. Am I right?

It's going back to RSC after a week, I know it's no big deal. I was wondering if this is normal, or if they might have actually damaged the movement while servicing it?

Maybe it's mad at you for leaving it at the RSC.

I had a cat that would be all pissy whenever I boarded him...

ltmgeller · 30 September 2013, 08:20 AM

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Originally Posted by rmfnla

Maybe it's mad at you for leaving it at the RSC.

I had a cat that would be all pissy whenever I boarded him...

SLS · 30 September 2013, 08:20 AM

What are you using as a gauge to check the accuracy of your watch? time.gov is what I use.

powerfunk · 30 September 2013, 08:23 AM

I assume you gave it 40 manual winds like the little card suggests? ;)

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jctrolex · 30 September 2013, 08:27 AM

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Originally Posted by SLS

What are you using as a gauge to check the accuracy of your watch? time.gov is what I use.

I don't think you need to go to time.gov to figure out your watch is loosing hours

Thatguy · 30 September 2013, 08:38 AM

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Originally Posted by jctrolex

I don't think you need to go to time.gov to figure out your watch is loosing hours

Yea, A sundial would probably work.

Rolexitis · 30 September 2013, 08:52 AM

Hope you get it sorted out soon

FTX I · 30 September 2013, 08:55 AM

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Originally Posted by rolexitis

hope you get it sorted out soon

+1

azguy · 30 September 2013, 09:04 AM

I hope it all works out...

mrhy · 30 September 2013, 09:05 AM

Wondering for service of 1680 is it basic charge 600?Thanks

Mauiguy · 30 September 2013, 09:12 AM

Magnetized perhaps?

Tools · 30 September 2013, 09:13 AM

Bummer...

When you talk about any "break-in" period, it amounts to fractions of a second... not hours or even minutes...

I'm sure that they will go through it again

Racerdj · 30 September 2013, 09:15 AM

Hoping for a resolution soon.

DCheeta · 30 September 2013, 09:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Aramis9

Might be something as simple as not putting the hand/s on correctly, while you are wearing it dial down gravity forces the hands to 'slip back'. while its dial up (or even dial down) there is less gravity so the watch shows the correct time. In any case its not acceptable, I wouldn't use it at all until they have it back, if a hand detaches it will probably stop the watch anyway. nor would I be too concerned.. my bet... its a hand problem as it runs OK dial up. Did you have the same hands re-fitted by any chance? It's possible that when removing the hour hand for example that the arbour splits and then is loose on the pinion when re-fitted. Check your hands still are in synch. at the hour. Otherwise if its losing literally hours I'd suggest its actually stopping during wear.

Good thought. I checked and the hands are perfectly aligned. Thanks for the insight, I hadn't even thought to check that.

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Originally Posted by rmfnla

Maybe it's mad at you for leaving it at the RSC.

I had a cat that would be all pissy whenever I boarded him...

This might be the best answer!

Quote:

Originally Posted by mrhy

Wondering for service of 1680 is it basic charge 600?Thanks

Yes, the standard $600 for the 1680.

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Originally Posted by Mauiguy

Magnetized perhaps?

I considered that, but my understanding is that magnetized movements usually run fast, not slow. Is that always true, or are there exceptions?

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Originally Posted by Tools

Bummer...

When you talk about any "break-in" period, it amounts to fractions of a second... not hours or even minutes...

I'm sure that they will go through it again

That's what I thought. Thanks. I'll report back after I bring her in again.

Thanks for all the input!

cop414 · 30 September 2013, 10:10 AM

Well this just sucks Dave, please keep us posted on what's going on.

accce · 30 September 2013, 11:45 AM

If it was keeping perfect time before what did you have done and can we get some picts? Its too nice of a watch to talk about without pictures!

datejusting · 30 September 2013, 12:12 PM

Sounds like hands are slipping on post. Return it.

james1787 · 30 September 2013, 12:17 PM

You have the warranty card, bring it back. They'll make it right.

DCheeta · 30 September 2013, 12:57 PM

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Originally Posted by accce

If it was keeping perfect time before what did you have done and can we get some picts? Its too nice of a watch to talk about without pictures!

It had other issues, like corrosion under the bezel, for one. And I wanted it to get a routine service.

You're right - where are my manners? Here is a pic of the beautiful, albeit erratic, Submariner.

Aramis9 · 30 September 2013, 06:12 PM

If you had corrosion under the bezel it may also have been under the dial, where the canon pinion lives, this is the 'gear' that transfers drive from the centre wheel into the hands, if the canon pinion isn't correctly friction fitted onto the centre wheel, i.e. its not tight enough, your hands may not be driven all the time hence the massive loss. You can feel this when you adjust the hands through the crown, it wont have as much resistance as normal. The hands would stay in synch. with each other if this is the case.

Good luck with the repair, hopefully it wont cost you anything unless the above is correct and you need a new pinion. The canon pinion can be adjusted by means of tapping its friction pip but I'd expect Rolex to replace the part.

All supposition on my part. can you let us know what the result is?.

padi56 · 30 September 2013, 08:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Mauiguy

Magnetized perhaps?

If a watch is magnetised they will speed up and not slow down.

MonBK · 30 September 2013, 08:27 PM

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Originally Posted by DCheeta

It had other issues, like corrosion under the bezel, for one. And I wanted it to get a routine service.

You're right - where are my manners? Here is a pic of the beautiful, albeit erratic, Submariner.

I think I found out what the problem is.

I've been looking at your picture for over five minutes now and have determined that it's not running slow.

It has stopped.

Cc1966 · 30 September 2013, 10:14 PM

Good luck Dave getting this sorted out. I would just bring it back, tell them the prob and let them sort it out - with a detailed explanation afterwards.

dysondiver · 30 September 2013, 10:21 PM

,,,be glad its a big problem ,,, they are the sort that people can find and fix , its little niggley things that take a lot of sorting , so im sure you will get a great result in the big picture.
sorry for the hassle though.

Rags · 30 September 2013, 10:25 PM

Keep us posted as to the outcome.

trumpedaces · 30 September 2013, 10:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Thatguy

Yea, A sundial would probably work.

Doug T · 1 October 2013, 12:18 AM

I'd get it back to them as soon as possible as I'm sure they want you to be happy with their work.

rmfnla · 1 October 2013, 03:20 AM

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Originally Posted by MonBK

I think I found out what the problem is.

I've been looking at your picture for over five minutes now and have determined that it's not running slow.

It has stopped.

LOL... really!

30 September 2013, 07:55 AM	#1
DCheeta "TRF" Member Join Date: Jun 2013 Real Name: Dave Location: NYC Posts: 7,181	What did they do to my watch? First of all, I did do a search and found nothing like this. I just got my 1680 back from the NY RSC after a routine full service. The watch was fine when I dropped it off, accuracy-wise, but now it loses time like crazy. I'm not talking about seconds, I'm talking about losing HOURS a day. The funny thing is, it only seems to run slow when I'm wearing it. When I set it on my desk dial-up overnight, it keeps relatively perfect time until I put it back on in the morning. Now, I do know that it takes a while for a watch to break-in and get used to your wearing habits after a service or regulation, but this seems like way too much to ever come back from. Am I right? It's going back to RSC after a week, I know it's no big deal. I was wondering if this is normal, or if they might have actually damaged the movement while servicing it?

30 September 2013, 08:20 AM	#5
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30 September 2013, 08:52 AM	#9
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30 September 2013, 09:13 AM	#14
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30 September 2013, 09:15 AM	#15
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30 September 2013, 08:23 AM	#6
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30 September 2013, 09:04 AM	#11
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30 September 2013, 09:05 AM	#12
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30 September 2013, 09:12 AM	#13
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30 September 2013, 10:10 AM	#17
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30 September 2013, 11:45 AM	#18
accce "TRF" Member Join Date: Mar 2013 Location: Chevy Chase Watch: WG Daytona Posts: 1,088	If it was keeping perfect time before what did you have done and can we get some picts? Its too nice of a watch to talk about without pictures!

30 September 2013, 12:12 PM	#19
datejusting "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2012 Real Name: Al Location: USA Watch: Rolex Posts: 1,153	Sounds like hands are slipping on post. Return it.

30 September 2013, 12:17 PM	#20
james1787 "TRF" Member Join Date: Aug 2012 Real Name: James Location: New Providence,NJ Watch: Submariner 14060 Posts: 2,371	You have the warranty card, bring it back. They'll make it right.

30 September 2013, 06:12 PM	#22
Aramis9 Banned Join Date: Sep 2013 Location: York Posts: 47	If you had corrosion under the bezel it may also have been under the dial, where the canon pinion lives, this is the 'gear' that transfers drive from the centre wheel into the hands, if the canon pinion isn't correctly friction fitted onto the centre wheel, i.e. its not tight enough, your hands may not be driven all the time hence the massive loss. You can feel this when you adjust the hands through the crown, it wont have as much resistance as normal. The hands would stay in synch. with each other if this is the case. Good luck with the repair, hopefully it wont cost you anything unless the above is correct and you need a new pinion. The canon pinion can be adjusted by means of tapping its friction pip but I'd expect Rolex to replace the part. All supposition on my part. can you let us know what the result is?.

30 September 2013, 10:14 PM	#25
Cc1966 "TRF" Member Join Date: Aug 2013 Real Name: Christopher Location: Georgia, USA Watch: ing the Sea... Posts: 6,713	Good luck Dave getting this sorted out. I would just bring it back, tell them the prob and let them sort it out - with a detailed explanation afterwards. __________________ "I wish to have no Connection with any Ship that does not Sail fast for I intend to go in harm's way." Captain John Paul Jones, 16 November 1778 "*Curmudgeons* " Favorites: 1665 SD, Sub Date, DSSD, Exp II, Sub LV, GMTIIc

30 September 2013, 10:21 PM	#26
dysondiver "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2010 Real Name: tom Location: northern ireland Watch: my fins Posts: 10,063	,,,be glad its a big problem ,,, they are the sort that people can find and fix , its little niggley things that take a lot of sorting , so im sure you will get a great result in the big picture. sorry for the hassle though.

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1 October 2013, 12:18 AM	#29
Doug T "TRF" Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Real Name: Doug Location: Anola, Manitoba Watch: GMT Master 11 Posts: 431	I'd get it back to them as soon as possible as I'm sure they want you to be happy with their work.

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