Advise on gmt 1675 gilt!

[Wilddyan]

Hello

Am looking at purchasing this GMT 1675 the dealer has dated as 1962. I have asked for more 'real life' photos that hopefully I will get them tomorrow.

But I would love to get some feedback on the aesthetics of this watch until I have more detailed pics. I personally think everything looks quite legit but I am not expert on the difference between service parts and originals.

Any advise would be really appreciated.

Thanks

[Vincent65]

Looks pretty good - pointed/eagle-beak crown-guards. Shame the minute-track gilt dial has lost the all-important 'point' under the 6-marker (it's known as an 'exclamation mark' dial…)

edit: not hugely important, but it likely sports a replacement insert in the bezel

[Wilddyan]

Thanks for the feedback- had assumed had a new bezel, have faded orginal from diff gmt I can use.

I didn't see the faint exclamation point, for me personally is not a deal breaker- think to get a perfect vintage is almost impossible (without huge resources)

[Kingair]

Originally Posted by Vincent65

pointed/eagle-beak crown-guards.

Learned something again . . . today

Thanks

HAGOne

[dstacy]

I don't know so I'm asking. Did that one have a domed crystal on it when it was new?

[CrownMe]

Originally Posted by dstacy

I don't know so I'm asking. Did that one have a domed crystal on it when it was new?

I dont think it did because of the cyclops.

[dstacy]

Originally Posted by CrownMe

I dont think it did because of the cyclops.

Ok thanks. I didn't know.

[Rick-O]

Originally Posted by Vincent65

Looks pretty good - pointed/eagle-beak crown-guards. Shame the minute-track gilt dial has lost the all-important 'point' under the 6-marker (it's known as an 'exclamation mark' dial…)

edit: not hugely important, but it likely sports a replacement insert in the bezel

Agreed- and the bezel itself is later

[greekbum]

Depending on the price i would consider the watch but you really need more information (pics) Based on my observation the insert is not circa early 60's and the bracelet isn't either. In the big picture they can be found easy and with many different bracelet options and insert fades you most likely would be looking for them anyways. the exclamation point on the dial is not a deal breaker for me as 90% plus are just like this 1 in the wild. Here is a picture of mine (not 4 sale) to compare with. Mine has the original mega font insert and 6636 expandable rivet bracelet:

[MATCH1969]

Look nice but price is also a key factor in the choice

[Wilddyan]

Thanks guys- have asked for more pictures including the inside and lugs etc...

They are asking for around $11.5k, I am searching everywhere and to get a small hand gmt with minute ring in good condition for less is very hard- here in London in store seems to around 15k +.

Please let me know your thoughts. Thanks

[Vincent65]

Yeah, don't buy one in a London 'store', unless you have money to burn!

[waspy1]

I'd say for 11.5k usd it's very good. Not sure , it could be relume a but it looks ok. These should still glow pretty well if original lume. Check case back, should be late 61 or 62 I believe. Check serial matches the year. Bezel is also a later replacement but to be honest you won't do better for 11.5k usd from a dealer.


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[watchcrank]

agree, difficult to find a nice CR dial in the wild anymore, m

[springer]

Originally Posted by waspy1

I'd say for 11.5k usd it's very good. Not sure , it could be relume a but it looks ok. These should still glow pretty well if original lume. Check case back, should be late 61 or 62 I believe. Check serial matches the year. Bezel is also a later replacement but to be honest you won't do better for 11.5k usd from a dealer.


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The lume looks original to me.

As far as the asking price, prices are based on condition/originality, at least with most sellers. Based on the condition of the watch as noted in this thread, the price is probably about right - but that is something for buyer and seller to negotiate. Good luck.

[Wilddyan]

Here's some pics of the back/ movement and serial. Please let me know your thoughts.

[Wilddyan]

Any help would really be appreciated- thanks

[TimeToGo]

Not the best of pics, second time around.

What is the date on the caseback?

[waspy1]

Looks to be 875k serial? Dates to late 62 which is right for exclamation dial with pcg. Hopefully caseback matches this but I wouldn't get too bothered. It's not a perfect example but it's pretty close and for 11.5k usd it's very good. An all correct example could easily be 20k usd these days.


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[linesiders]

I might be wrong but is that a different bezel in the second set of pics? A more accurate deep tooth? Versus a more shallow tooth in the first pics?

[waspy1]

Originally Posted by linesiders

I might be wrong but is that a different bezel in the second set of pics? A more accurate deep tooth? Versus a more shallow tooth in the first pics?

Looks like it.... Very odd.


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[964RS]

When you see it in person just check the lug holes....whoever polished it looks like they have polished the bevels right into the lug holes to me....

[Wilddyan]

Sorry what do you mean polished bevels into the lug holes?

Also I believe/hope is just the angle of the picture in terms of the tooth depth.

Thanks

[dstacy]

Pretty sure that should have a "flat top 3" and "open 6 & 9" date wheel so that might give you one more thing to check.

[springer]

Originally Posted by dstacy

Pretty sure that should have a "flat top 3" and "open 6 & 9" date wheel so that might give you one more thing to check.

Your description describes a service date wheel. The correct date wheel during the 1960s in the GMT, at least, looked very distinct as in the photo below.

Service date wheels also had open numbers and flat tops as well as others I'm sure.

[dstacy]

Originally Posted by springer

Your description describes a service date wheel.

This thread would seem to contradict that John.
http://www.rolexforums.com/showthrea...675+date+wheel

[dstacy]

Originally Posted by dstacy

This thread would seem to contradict that John.
http://www.rolexforums.com/showthrea...675+date+wheel

Holy crap! I have searched here and read all afternoon on this subject.
Good Lord! First of all I didn't get anything done today (who knows how much that cost me); second this is exactly like another subject I'm involved in. In the 60's and 70's Ferrari used different parts on cars one serial number apart and then switched back, with no rhyme or reason, all the time.
John (thanks for the great phone call a week or 2 ago by the way) I think you're probably right about your position on this issue. I also think it is very likely that those who have a different opinion are also likely right. It seems that there is not a 100% answer to this issue. Considering there were service repairs, one owner watches with different wheels, and faulty memories, my bet is this is exactly like the issue with Ferrari Dino's, GT4's, and 400i's.
Figures I stirred up the pot by bringing it up.

[AlTinkster92]

Beautiful 1675's guys, always wanted one. I have a 16610 that someday I will find a trade for. Happy Memorial day!

[harrjaso]

Originally Posted by Rick-O

Agreed- and the bezel itself is later

Questionable, they take a long time to fade and the red in the insert has a great look


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