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Grubby · 2 August 2014, 10:14 AM

For me, the 60-mark bezel insert ruins everything. I like the other features of the 116600, but the original bezel looks infinitely cleaner and timeless. For $10k, I would get an SS Daytona.

Jason71 · 2 August 2014, 11:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Grubby

For me, the 60-mark bezel insert ruins everything. I like the other features of the 116600, but the original bezel looks infinitely cleaner and timeless. For $10k, I would get an SS Daytona.

For $10k, I would buy a pre-owned 16600 and 14060M

red1108nyc · 2 August 2014, 12:22 PM

Let's bring in the CLOSER...

Mike where are you?

I say its time to change the "two" tone to "one tone" or full GOLD!

Though the conversion can be costly :-)

Fred

Grubby · 2 August 2014, 12:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Jason71

For $10k, I would buy a pre-owned 16600 and 14060M

Agreed 100%. Or a 16600 + GMT Pepsi.

phils · 2 August 2014, 01:30 PM

I saw one today. It actually looks smaller than my 16610.
They should have made it 42mm.

Touring · 2 August 2014, 03:07 PM

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Originally Posted by phils

I saw one today. It actually looks smaller than my 16610.

As it should since it shares similar dimensions to the 16600, which was also smaller than the 16610.

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Originally Posted by phils

should have made it 42mm.

Love the 39mm case diameter. It's part of what makes the SD great!

bigrustypig · 2 August 2014, 03:16 PM

I went to an AD and looked at it closely. It seems smaller than what I thought it would be. Maybe in a few months my thoughts will change when I see more of it in the wild.

BJHofkin · 2 August 2014, 03:38 PM

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Originally Posted by leicashot

I also love that it is their most serious model (at the moment). No variations of novelty colours or precious metals. Just in regular tool black....considering the DSSD gets the blue treatment.

Agree with absolutely everything you've said in this thread and am strongly considering the SDC (also, I love your photos). But I think the Explorer II is on par in this respect. Having white and black dial options isn't exactly like all the dial options for the Sub or Daytona; you could make a case for both from a pure tool watch perspective (although I strongly prefer black aesthetically).

That said, I agree that the Explorer II (and Explorer I, now that I think about it) and SD are the most serious tool watches Rolex makes. Mix in a classic 36mm Datejust for dress like the one in the photo below and you've got a great 3-watch collection!

leicashot · 2 August 2014, 03:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Touring

As it should since it shares similar dimensions to the 16600, which was also smaller than the 16610.

Love the 39mm case diameter. It's part of what makes the SD great!

It's actually 41mm and only looks smaller than the current Sub due to the slimmer lugs but certainly looks 'rounder' on the wrist. I can't imagine it being smaller than the 16610 as it's not smaller than the previous SD and I don't believe that was smaller than the 16610

Laszlo · 2 August 2014, 04:13 PM

In photos I was on the fence until I saw this ref. in the flesh... Sum it up: it's gorgeous!

Monochrome · 2 August 2014, 09:04 PM

Why not trade it in on something complete different. For instance a Resilience from Speake-Marin.

Racerdj · 2 August 2014, 09:13 PM

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Originally Posted by brandrea

Knowing what you don't want is more than half the battle

Deciding what you do want is where the fun is

Great thoughts

AK797 · 2 August 2014, 09:33 PM

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Originally Posted by leicashot

I also love that it is their most serious model (at the moment). No variations of novelty colours or precious metals. Just in regular tool black....considering the DSSD gets the blue treatment.

I don't know...

terrywoods · 3 August 2014, 12:03 AM

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Originally Posted by jay_kay

After looking at thread after thread of comparison pics and peoples opinions and thoughts I had decided that as my 116613 wasn't getting worn or selling I would trade it in for the new 116600 and have that as team mate for my 16600.

I'm glad I went to see it in the metal rather than my usual ordering online and waiting for the postman!!

I had my original SD on and as soon as I saw the new 116600 I just knew it wasn't a watch for me. Granted the matte dial is lovely but there is little difference cosmetically, the 16600 just looks so much better proportioned with the lugs and smaller lume plots. The bracelet and clasp is a good improvement but i'd rather just track down a newer clasp for my standard SD's 93160A bracelet.

So now the question is......... what should I trade my 116613 LB in for?

You need to go for a Tudor Pelagos or Blackbay next

els4 · 3 August 2014, 02:51 AM

Agree with Terrywoods, Pelagos or Black Bay next. I went to an AD to try on the SD 4000, and as much as I liked it, I ended up with the Black Bay Blue. Had it for a month now, and couldn't be happier. Also, I have been timing it by the US Naval observatory clock and it has been running approx. +4 sec/ per day. Anyone considering a dive watch should check one out in person. You probably won't regret it.

els4 · 3 August 2014, 03:10 AM

To add to my reply above, I think the new SD 4000 is a beautiful watch in person, and to my eye it looks much better proportioned than the SubC. I had a 16610 that I wore for 15 years before handing it down to my son, and when it came time to get my next diver, I couldn't get past the blockyblook of the new Sub C. I ended up with a Planet Ocean for a couple of years, then sold it to buy the Black Bay.

jay_kay · 3 August 2014, 03:18 AM

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Originally Posted by terrywoods

You need to go for a Tudor Pelagos or Blackbay next

Had a Blackbay and a Heritage Chrono, the rotor noise annoyed me so I sold them, I love the aesthetics but didn't feel the quality was there. (Probably get a slating for saying that but its my experience)

terrywoods · 4 August 2014, 06:52 AM

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Originally Posted by jay_kay

Had a Blackbay and a Heritage Chrono, the rotor noise annoyed me so I sold them, I love the aesthetics but didn't feel the quality was there. (Probably get a slating for saying that but its my experience)

Noise!
It's pretty quiet unless you sleep with it next to your hear. My black bay is quieter than my panerai and build quality is good for the price.

Glidelock · 4 August 2014, 09:26 AM

I had no interest in liking the new 116600 SD4000. I've always liked the cyclops on Sub Dates, and felt the way the Sub's sat on the wrist was just right, so preferred the Sub's over the Sea Dwellers. I figured that when I saw the new one I would feel the same. Well, that's not the case at all though. Turns out I think the have perfectly hit the nail on the head w/ this one, as proportionately it looks and feels amazing on the wrist. Just those slight adjustments on the lugs and the way the crystal sits higher the way it used to even on the 16610 Subs, gives it that stacked 3 dimensional look that I always felt was synonymous with Rolex. Even the matte dial seems to ad to this 3D effect. Additionally, I felt like in photo's the milsub style bezel was just to busy, but in person it somehow just clicks. I have no doubt that Rolex put both the old style...cleaner bezel on and the new milsub style on in there RD Concept mockups and quickly decided which one looked the best! There is one major flaw with the watch however that I just can't seem to get over....The price!!!

Yet somehow, I doubt they will see things my way!

strafer_kid · 15 August 2014, 05:33 AM

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Originally Posted by mfserge

As a former 16600 owner and current 116600 owner, there is no question in my mind which one I prefer. Ceramic vs aluminum....check. SEL vs non SEL....check. Great clasp vs not so great clasp....check. Slightly larger lugs vs thin lugs....check. Larger markers and hands vs smaller markers and hands....check. Busier bezel vs clean bezel....push. Some people prefer the older dimensions of the SD and Sub and some prefer the new dimensions, to each is own but for me the 116600 is a huge winner.

Both the new and older SDs have their good points - something there for everyone and great to have the choice!

Psmith · 15 August 2014, 06:28 AM

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Originally Posted by leicashot

I also love that it is their most serious model (at the moment). No variations of novelty colours or precious metals. Just in regular tool black....considering the DSSD gets the blue treatment.

Explorer and Explorer II owners might debate this!

MortgageGuy · 15 August 2014, 06:40 AM

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Originally Posted by leicashot

Agreed. The SD is wonderful and a serious top end tool with modern luxuries to boot.

Couldn't agree more. I owned several 16600's over the last 15/20 years and yes it is/was a great piece it just doesn't compare to the new model SDC IMHO. Both beautiful references but I for one much prefer the newer model. To each their own and with any SD you really cannot go wrong

Mfrankel2 · 15 August 2014, 12:32 PM

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Originally Posted by leicashot

Unbalanced compared to the DSSD? Are you kidding? :bang head:

Funny, I was at AD yesterday and felt the same. Itried them both on and the sdc actually felt more top heavy than the dssd

leicashot · 15 August 2014, 12:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Mfrankel2

Funny, I was at AD yesterday and felt the same. Itried them both on and the sdc actually felt more top heavy than the dssd

wow, physically thats not even possible haha

Touring · 15 August 2014, 01:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Mfrankel2

Funny, I was at AD yesterday and felt the same. Itried them both on and the sdc actually felt more top heavy than the dssd

I wonder if that's due to the larger case of the DSSD, which might distribute the weight more evenly across the wrist than the smaller diameter SD.

I definitely noticed how much more "top-heavy" and unbalanced the 116600 feels compared to the old 16600, but only when the bracelet is unsized; once the bracelet is properly fitted, the fit and feel of the 116000 is perfect.

bdex75 · 15 August 2014, 01:23 PM

I looked at both the sd4000 and the DSSD. I ended up with the DSSD. The deal was right and the watch is one of the most comfortable that I have ever owned due to the adjustability of the glide lock. Removed one of the diving extensions. Now, I may have the opportunity to swap for a DeepBlue but am not sure. Need to see in person.

leicashot · 15 August 2014, 02:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Touring

I wonder if that's due to the larger case of the DSSD, which might distribute the weight more evenly across the wrist than the smaller diameter SD.

I definitely noticed how much more "top-heavy" and unbalanced the 116600 feels compared to the old 16600, but only when the bracelet is unsized; once the bracelet is properly fitted, the fit and feel of the 116000 is perfect.

Weight to size ratio works in favour of the SD4000. I had both together recently, both sized and they are like night and day.

Tobbe.l · 15 August 2014, 02:40 PM

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Originally Posted by leicashot

Weight to size ratio works in favour of the SD4000. I had both together recently, both sized and they are like night and day.

Feel the same, one of the reasons I sold my DSSD for SDc.
Without a doubt that SDc feels much more balanced, than the DSSD.

Touring · 15 August 2014, 03:25 PM

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Originally Posted by leicashot

Weight to size ratio works in favour of the SD4000. I had both together recently, both sized and they are like night and day.

Actually, the more balanced feel of the 116600 can be attributed to the new bracelet: more removable links and the Glidelock clasp allow for fine adjustments and a better fit.

Poor fitting bracelet = flopping of the watch head.

Nothing to do with any ratios.

leicashot · 15 August 2014, 03:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Touring

Actually, the more balanced feel of the 116600 can be attributed to the new bracelet: more removable links and the Glidelock clasp allow for fine adjustments and a better fit.

Poor fitting bracelet = flopping of the watch head.

Nothing to do with any ratios.

Of course it does considering the DSSD is just as well made

2 August 2014, 04:13 PM	#40
Laszlo 2024 SubLV41 Pledge Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: San Francisco, CA Watch: Date & No Date Posts: 10,868	In photos I was on the fence until I saw this ref. in the flesh... Sum it up: it's gorgeous! __________________ "You might as well question why we breathe. If we stop breathing, we'll die. If we stop fighting our enemies, the world will die." Paul Henreid as Victor Laszlo in Casablanca

2 August 2014, 10:14 AM	#31
Grubby Banned Join Date: Jul 2014 Real Name: Michael Location: New York City Watch: 116610LN Posts: 83	For me, the 60-mark bezel insert ruins everything. I like the other features of the 116600, but the original bezel looks infinitely cleaner and timeless. For $10k, I would get an SS Daytona.

2 August 2014, 12:22 PM	#33
red1108nyc 2024 Pledge Member Join Date: Apr 2011 Real Name: Fred Location: NYC/NJ Metro Area Watch: Rolex Posts: 8,512	Let's bring in the CLOSER... Mike where are you? I say its time to change the "two" tone to "one tone" or full GOLD! Though the conversion can be costly :-) Fred

2 August 2014, 01:30 PM	#35
phils "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Real Name: philip Location: missouri Watch: Rolex Submariner Posts: 1,094	I saw one today. It actually looks smaller than my 16610. They should have made it 42mm.

2 August 2014, 03:16 PM	#37
bigrustypig "TRF" Member Join Date: Sep 2011 Real Name: Jeff Location: New Zealand Watch: Rolex DSSD Posts: 1,426	I went to an AD and looked at it closely. It seems smaller than what I thought it would be. Maybe in a few months my thoughts will change when I see more of it in the wild.

2 August 2014, 09:04 PM	#41
Monochrome "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Real Name: Frank Location: Netherlands Watch: Hautlence Posts: 3	Why not trade it in on something complete different. For instance a Resilience from Speake-Marin.

3 August 2014, 02:51 AM	#45
els4 "TRF" Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Real Name: Edgars Location: Southeastern PA Watch: Wimbledon DJ Posts: 201	Agree with Terrywoods, Pelagos or Black Bay next. I went to an AD to try on the SD 4000, and as much as I liked it, I ended up with the Black Bay Blue. Had it for a month now, and couldn't be happier. Also, I have been timing it by the US Naval observatory clock and it has been running approx. +4 sec/ per day. Anyone considering a dive watch should check one out in person. You probably won't regret it.

3 August 2014, 03:10 AM	#46
els4 "TRF" Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Real Name: Edgars Location: Southeastern PA Watch: Wimbledon DJ Posts: 201	To add to my reply above, I think the new SD 4000 is a beautiful watch in person, and to my eye it looks much better proportioned than the SubC. I had a 16610 that I wore for 15 years before handing it down to my son, and when it came time to get my next diver, I couldn't get past the blockyblook of the new Sub C. I ended up with a Planet Ocean for a couple of years, then sold it to buy the Black Bay.

4 August 2014, 09:26 AM	#49
Glidelock "TRF" Member Join Date: Nov 2011 Real Name: Will Zdorf Location: So. Cal. Watch: SDC4000, Sub LVC Posts: 1,947	I had no interest in liking the new 116600 SD4000. I've always liked the cyclops on Sub Dates, and felt the way the Sub's sat on the wrist was just right, so preferred the Sub's over the Sea Dwellers. I figured that when I saw the new one I would feel the same. Well, that's not the case at all though. Turns out I think the have perfectly hit the nail on the head w/ this one, as proportionately it looks and feels amazing on the wrist. Just those slight adjustments on the lugs and the way the crystal sits higher the way it used to even on the 16610 Subs, gives it that stacked 3 dimensional look that I always felt was synonymous with Rolex. Even the matte dial seems to ad to this 3D effect. Additionally, I felt like in photo's the milsub style bezel was just to busy, but in person it somehow just clicks. I have no doubt that Rolex put both the old style...cleaner bezel on and the new milsub style on in there RD Concept mockups and quickly decided which one looked the best! There is one major flaw with the watch however that I just can't seem to get over....The price!!! Yet somehow, I doubt they will see things my way!

15 August 2014, 01:23 PM	#56
bdex75 "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2011 Real Name: Brandon Location: Indianapolis Watch: my money vanish Posts: 8,506	I looked at both the sd4000 and the DSSD. I ended up with the DSSD. The deal was right and the watch is one of the most comfortable that I have ever owned due to the adjustability of the glide lock. Removed one of the diving extensions. Now, I may have the opportunity to swap for a DeepBlue but am not sure. Need to see in person.

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