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29 August 2014, 07:27 PM | #1 |
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Almost got scammed myself the other day, story below.
It went down like this.
Sold one of my presidents on eBay, it was bought by a buyer with one feedback (bought a small item) feedback on that was my first red flag, problem with shipping worked out amically. ( probably refunded, $5 item testing the item did not arrive scam and PayPal refund process although I have no proof of this). Member for ten days only. Bought my item with no offer although item had best offers, second red flag, no questions at all. Pays with PayPal. PayPal send me an email we are investigating the transaction. 20 minutes later it's ok to send, another great bs investigation by PayPal I write an email and refund PayPal payment saying bank wire only PayPal are investigating, you don't even have a verified account ( this means a bank account linked in Australia which requires id) although does not stop account theft. PayPal take a 20k Aussie payment with only a credit card apparently linked. Crazy if you ask me, it's late. No response at all it is now the next morning. However, he is no longer a registered user. I dodged a bullet guys. PayPal told me this transaction was ok, perform your evaluation guys be careful. I was prepared to lose 250 dollars in fees and negative feedback, either way, I was not going to send. Details of scammer below. From PayPal transaction. I have xxxx some details of mine. Watch out for his name address if your selling a watch. We recommend that you: Ship to the buyer's address on this page Use a shipping service with signature confirmation Save all tracking information or other proof of shipment Tips to sell securely Seller Protection You may be eligible(More about Seller Protection) Protection for items not received When you ship the item to the address on this page and provide proof of shipment, you may be protected against claims for items not received. For complete requirements, see terms. Protection for unauthorised payments When you ship to the address on this page and provide proof that the item was delivered and signed for, you're protected against claims for unauthorised payments. For complete requirements, see terms. Tips to sell securely Shipping address Alex Halsey 6/189 liverpool street Sydney, New South Wales 2000 Australia Mobile Express Checkout Payment Received (Unique Transaction ID 96720174DE32xxxxx) Shopping Cart Contents QtyItemOptionsPrice 1Rolex president day date solid 18k gold double quickset, factory diamond bezel and dial. Item Number 15127327xxxx $19,000.00 USD Amount $19,000.00 USD Item total: $19,000.00 USD GST: Shipping: $200.00 USD Seller discount or charges: $0.00 USD Total amount: $19,200.00 USD Fee amount: -$461.10 USD Net amount: $18,738.90 USD Issue a refund You have up to 60 days to refund the payment. Date: 27 Aug 2014 Time: 15:13:55 AEST Status: Completed Insurance: $0.00 USD Custom: 16829357xxxx Payment From: Alex Halsey (The sender of this payment is Non-US – Unregistered) Buyer's ID: au-fenn Buyer's Email: [email protected] Payment Sent to: [email protected] Shipping: [ Print Packing Slip | Edit Tracking Info ] Original Transaction Date Type Status Details Gross Fee Net 27 Aug 2014Payment From Alex Halsey Completed ...$19,200.00 USD -$461.10 USD $18,738.90 USD Related Transactions Date Type Status Details Gross Fee Net 27 Aug 2014Payment Review Placed Details-$18,738.90 USD ... -$18,738.90 USD 27 Aug 2014Payment Review Completed Details$18,738.90 USD ... $18,738.90 USD
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29 August 2014, 07:50 PM | #2 |
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Damn, good call on red flags, glad you didn't loose any money.....
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29 August 2014, 08:08 PM | #3 |
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Good that you questioned the transaction. I'm sure many would have just shipped.
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29 August 2014, 09:23 PM | #4 |
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I'd never buy, nor sell to anyone with less then 10 feedbacks. And a few had to be major purchases +$250.00 or somerying like that. Unless I spoke with them extensively and trusted them. Good job catching this thief!
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29 August 2014, 09:47 PM | #5 |
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I would have made the mistake of sending it after Paypal clearing the transactions. This is a good reminder of staying away from Ebay. If ever I want to sell I will do so only through a watch forum.
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29 August 2014, 09:59 PM | #6 |
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WOW, David. Glad you saw it coming! You really did dodge a bullet!
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30 August 2014, 12:33 AM | #7 |
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Freaking paypal. Good for you.
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30 August 2014, 12:55 AM | #8 |
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You dodged one big scammer: Paypal.
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30 August 2014, 12:56 AM | #9 |
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All their investigations are load of BS - Either robots or off-shore low cost sub continent workers following set guidelines.
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30 August 2014, 10:27 AM | #10 |
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Good on you, my friend. I know you have more sense than to be taken like that! Way to go.
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30 August 2014, 04:11 PM | #11 |
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And if you would have shipped... Paypal would not have refunded you 19 cents, lets alone $19,000. This is why I do not use Paypal.
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30 August 2014, 07:14 PM | #12 |
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Well done David.
This is a good lesson for all of us! |
30 August 2014, 07:38 PM | #13 |
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Textbook lesson.
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30 August 2014, 10:50 PM | #14 |
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David- as a seller i believe you can set ebay rules for any potential buyers
For example you can block ppl below a certain feedback from dealing with you http://pages.ebay.com.au/help/sell/b...uirements.html (Apologies if you already do this,) Glad you managed to avoid getting scammed |
31 August 2014, 01:48 AM | #15 |
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Smart dealing David.
FWIW: If you would have sent the watch and the payment turned out to be bunk, paypal would/should reimburse you for any loss. Unless paypal changed their rules..... I had the exact same thing happen with a MacBook I sold on eBay years ago, (turned out be with a stolen credit card), Paypal comped my loss. Paypal's own rules stated they (rightfully) assumed responsibility for fraudulent transactions after they sent the 'go ahead and ship your item' email to you. Again, not sure if that's changed- but I saw $2200.00 refunded to my account direct from paypal. |
31 August 2014, 11:18 AM | #16 |
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Glad it worked out in your favor David.
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31 August 2014, 11:34 AM | #17 |
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You did exactly the right thing there!
Well done and thanks for letting us know.
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31 August 2014, 12:03 PM | #18 | |
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Imagine what would happen if post delivery tracking number and the buyer files a bogus claim. I would have been SOOL. |
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1 September 2014, 12:06 AM | #19 |
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Good catch, mate!
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1 September 2014, 12:20 AM | #20 |
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There was another seller on the forum that sold a watch on eBay. When the buyer received he questioned the authenticity of the Rolex. Kept the original and sent back a very very good replica in its place. That seller had the fight of his life with eBay/paypal and was still not successful. Point is, eBay and PayPal care only about the buyer. They will find more suckers to sell, but need buyers to make $ off of sellers.
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2 September 2014, 08:58 AM | #22 |
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Thanks for sharing.
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2 September 2014, 12:06 PM | #23 |
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Glad it worked out for you. that could of really been terrible. Thanks for sharing so others wont fall for these cowards.
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