Why should I NOT buy a Diver?

[Brian Page]

Originally Posted by redsubby

Because it'll put a big dent in your wallet...but who can resist this?

That's a beauty!

[aleeboy]

Originally Posted by masterserg

Wait a few months for the 2015 version with the sapphire case back?

... or you could try one of the 44s ... then you'll be in trouble!

Great advice. The new one also has ceramic crowns as opposed to rubber. Definitely an important upgrade.

I have the Novelty in SS and this is a great watch

[craniotes]

Originally Posted by aleeboy

Great advice. The new one also has ceramic crowns as opposed to rubber. Definitely an important upgrade.

Actually, the new steel diver still has rubber-clad crowns, just as Emmanuel Gueit and God intended.

Regards,
Adam

[denmanproject]

The diver wears BIG for 42mm, also didn't love the 24mm width buckle, this may sound nit picky but I'd still have mine if it had a 40mm case and 20mm buckle

[Andad]

You can dive with any watch that is waterproof to your required diving depth but:

A watch can't be called a 'diver' unless it meets the requirements of ISO 6425.

The only one that comes to mind in the current Rolex range is the new SDc which has the required ISO markings on the rotating bezel.

I'm not sure if there is a 'diver' in the brand you are considering?

If you only want to get it wet now and then.....I got nothing.

[craniotes]

The Diver is fully ISO 6425 compliant.

Or, at least it was until the advent of the sapphire caseback, which would seem to preclude it from being antimagnetic anymore (unless the c.3120 suddenly received a silicon balance spring, that is).

Regards,
Adam

PS- All the current Rolex dive watches also meet the ISO 6425 requirements.

[Andad]

I stand by my post.

Read the Standard and get back to us.

The presence of a time-preselecting device, for example a unidirectional rotating bezel or a digital display. Such a device shall be protected against inadvertent rotation or wrong manipulation. If it is a rotating bezel, it shall have a minute scale going up to 60 min. The markings indicating every 5 min shall be clearly indicated. The markings on the dial, if existing, shall be coordinated with those of the preselecting device and shall be clearly visible. If the preselecting device is a digital display, it shall be clearly visible.

The Rolex SDc has a rotating bezel with a minute scale ie: each minute has a marker. Plus each 5 minute shall also be clearly indicated.

If the Standard didn't require each minute to be marked why would it require every 5 minutes to be clearly indicated?

At least you now know why Rolex has supplied the current SDc with the new bezel. They can now call it a 'diver' as per the ISO Standard.

You can list the others watches that comply?

There are no complete minute scales on other Rolex watche's rotating bezels. Just the first 15 minutes.

[lapince]

You should definitely get a watch with display case back, seeing a movement is 30% of the fun IMO

[craniotes]

Originally Posted by directioneng

I stand by my post.

Read the Standard and get back to us.

The presence of a time-preselecting device, for example a unidirectional rotating bezel or a digital display. Such a device shall be protected against inadvertent rotation or wrong manipulation. If it is a rotating bezel, it shall have a minute scale going up to 60 min. The markings indicating every 5 min shall be clearly indicated. The markings on the dial, if existing, shall be coordinated with those of the preselecting device and shall be clearly visible. If the preselecting device is a digital display, it shall be clearly visible.

The Rolex SDc has a rotating bezel with a minute scale ie: each minute has a marker. Plus each 5 minute shall also be clearly indicated.

If the Standard didn't require each minute to be marked why would it require every 5 minutes to be clearly indicated?

At least you now know why Rolex has supplied the current SDc with the new bezel. They can now call it a 'diver' as per the ISO Standard.

You can list the others watches that comply?

There are no complete minute scales on other Rolex watche's rotating bezels. Just the first 15 minutes.

You just need every five minutes marked clearly. Re-read the standard and get back to us. ;-)

Other ISO certified luxury divers?

- JLC NSA/NSD/MCDC
- Blancpain Fifty-Fathoms/Bathyscaphe
- Chopard Pro One
- Bremont Supermarine 2000
- IWC Aquatimer
- Panerai Submersible 24/25/87/243/305...
- Girard-Perregaux Sea Hawk Pro

Some have your "special" bezel, some don't.

Regards,
Adam

PS - Not that it matters, but the DSSD had a fully graduated bezel long before the SD-C.

[CWIN]

I think the Diver is too similar to your 15400. If you're looking for a rubber strap piece to compliment your AP id look into a 5164 or 5167

[Andad]

Originally Posted by craniotes

You just need every five minutes marked clearly. Re-read the standard and get back to us. ;-)

Other ISO certified luxury divers?

- JLC NSA/NSD/MCDC
- Blancpain Fifty-Fathoms/Bathyscaphe
- Chopard Pro One
- Bremont Supermarine 2000
- IWC Aquatimer
- Panerai Submersible 24/25/87/243/305...
- Girard-Perregaux Sea Hawk Pro

Some have your "special" bezel, some don't.

Regards,
Adam

PS - Not that it matters, but the DSSD had a fully graduated bezel long before the SD-C.

So, Rolex have 2 'divers' with the correct minute markers.

We won't agree on this so let's ask the standards committee as this is clear to me but not to others?

I have emailed the ISO team for an interpretation and I will forward their answer.

I can accept being wrong but can't accept why the Standard would even mention minute markers if all they required was markers every 5 minutes. Why would they confuse things?

Anyway you seem to be sure that you are correct so good for you.

[craniotes]

Honestly, I'm not sure why you can't accept that you're wrong, but hey, so be it.

Regards,
Adam

[Hairdude1]

I LOVE my diver!!! Get it!

[Snow-Dweller]

Yeah...I thought so.....nobody's given me a good reason not to! (I say this tongue in cheek, of course).

[AK797]

Originally Posted by Clivek

Yeah...I thought so.....nobody's given me a good reason not to! (I say this tongue in cheek, of course).

What? The fascinating minute marker discussion hasn't convinced you?

[RolexJNJ]

Originally Posted by Clivek

Yeah...I thought so.....nobody's given me a good reason not to! (I say this tongue in cheek, of course).

Glad to hear! Good luck and looking forward to the incoming announcement!!

[subtona]

Originally Posted by directioneng

I stand by my post.

Read the Standard and get back to us.

The presence of a time-preselecting device, for example a unidirectional rotating bezel or a digital display. Such a device shall be protected against inadvertent rotation or wrong manipulation. If it is a rotating bezel, it shall have a minute scale going up to 60 min. The markings indicating every 5 min shall be clearly indicated. The markings on the dial, if existing, shall be coordinated with those of the preselecting device and shall be clearly visible. If the preselecting device is a digital display, it shall be clearly visible.

The Rolex SDc has a rotating bezel with a minute scale ie: each minute has a marker. Plus each 5 minute shall also be clearly indicated.

If the Standard didn't require each minute to be marked why would it require every 5 minutes to be clearly indicated?

At least you now know why Rolex has supplied the current SDc with the new bezel. They can now call it a 'diver' as per the ISO Standard.

You can list the others watches that comply?

There are no complete minute scales on other Rolex watche's rotating bezels. Just the first 15 minutes.

If I'm reading critically,
"Markings indicating every 5 minutes"

I would interpret the above as 5 minute markings commonly available on most divers. I would not interpret it to mean each minute is marked.

If that were the case, the SDC wouldn't qualify as they only mark 4 of the 5 minutes in 45 % of the bezel.

[Snow-Dweller]

Originally Posted by 111forza

Great watch buy it

Originally Posted by subtona

Its not as easy to set the timing bezel on the diver as it is on a submariner.

Thats all i got:)

Originally Posted by thomaspp

Because you don't dive... Heh

Originally Posted by Audemars Piguet

Because people will envy you.

Originally Posted by WAK4

(1) you don't like it or (2) can't responsibly afford ....otherwise, hope to see pics tomorrow

Originally Posted by bayerische

Scratch magnet.
Oh, sorry, great watch!

Originally Posted by RolexJNJ

Beautiful 15400 Clive! But can't help you with this one...

I just got the Diver Friday, and absolutely love it!! You will too. It's very sporty, super comfy and has great wrist presence.

You won't regret it my friend!

Originally Posted by yyzpam

You should NOT buy a diver because you may not initially appreciate it's versatility, workmanship and wrist presence. You will then make the mistake of selling it to your best friend...like I did.

Then every time you see it you will kick yourself....like I did.

You will then go out, spend more $$$ then originally and get another one....LIKE I DID.

You will then learn your lesson !

BUY THE WATCH...its honestly a fantastic piece that is really a modern day classic IMO.

I do think its different enough then your 15400, although if you start wearing it on bracelet the differences get minimized. Stick to it on the rubber or hornback.

Originally Posted by AK797

I love the Diver, with the Sub it's been my fav SS watch for many years but as my wrist has gotten smaller and I have bought more watches in the 40-2mm range than 43-5mm I find the Diver to wear a bit on the big side for me now, so if it feels right on your wrist then def go for it!

Originally Posted by gummy

Because if you buy the Diver you will soon sell your Polar and BLNR to fund another AP!!!

Originally Posted by improviz

I have five Rolexes (oh, sorry, ROLEXes), and wear my APs more than any of them.

Originally Posted by redsubby

Because it'll put a big dent in your wallet...but who can resist this?

Originally Posted by Hairdude1

I LOVE my diver!!! Get it!

Originally Posted by AK797

What? The fascinating minute marker discussion hasn't convinced you?

Originally Posted by RolexJNJ

Glad to hear! Good luck and looking forward to the incoming announcement!!

Thank you all for your top quality enabling. I will go into the details of my decision when I do an "incoming" thread later tonight....but in the meantime, here she is!

[improviz]

Fantastic, congrats and enjoy!!!

[travisb]

Boom! Congrats!

[PanosI]

Big Congrats

[craniotes]

BOOM!

Congrats!

Regards,
Adam

[Dickson Lim]

You should NOT buy the diver, unless you DON'T have one.

Big congrats on the new watch buddy, it definitely looks good on your wrist!

[Watcheroo]

Because you can get one with a clear case-back in a few months ;)

Edit: just noticed you got it. Congrats!!