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watchabout · 8 March 2015, 04:50 AM

Hello all,

What do you think of this watch? Is it good?
Thanks everyone.

http://pages.ebay.com/link/?nav=item...d=191529714988

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NKflyer · 8 March 2015, 07:00 AM

Yes, watch is authentic.

Britexpat76 · 8 March 2015, 07:16 AM

Looks good to me.

watchabout · 8 March 2015, 11:58 AM

Thanks guys.

Given that it is an old and discontinued model what would be a fair price? 4k, 4.5? Watch comes with no box and no papers. The bezel has a couple dents also.

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GradyPhilpott · 8 March 2015, 01:02 PM

Never mind.

watchabout · 9 March 2015, 02:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GradyPhilpott

Never mind.

?? Nevermind about what?

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GradyPhilpott · 9 March 2015, 02:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by watchabout

?? Nevermind about what?

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Never mind the post I made in error.

watchabout · 9 March 2015, 02:38 AM

Oh ok. I think the first post you made never showed up, only this second one.

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NKflyer · 9 March 2015, 04:53 AM

Yes, discontinued and superseded by the new ceramic bezel version, but still a very popular watch. I think low $4k range is a fair price and anything less than that is a bargain. Be sure to budget several hundred extra for possible service after purchase as with many undocumented watches.

ajg1960 · 9 March 2015, 09:09 AM

looks like a nice watch but at almost 5 more days in the auction it seems likely that the price will get up well over $4K and then it wont be so great a deal.

Andad · 9 March 2015, 10:27 AM

Looks ok, why not ask for some pix of the movement and a service history?

watchabout · 9 March 2015, 03:52 PM

I'll ask for that. Thanks.
I agree this early in the auction the price is likely to go up and stop being attractive. If that's the case is much rather buy from a different source that would guarantee authenticity, that would also take care of service history.

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GGGMT · 9 March 2015, 11:03 PM

By TRF.

watchabout · 10 March 2015, 08:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NKflyer

I think low $4k range is a fair price and anything less than that is a bargain.

Is low 4K is a fair price, why almost every watch (this model) available, either here, ebay or other sites like Bob'sW, BeckerT, etc. are well above 5K, some of them even above 6K? Am I missing something?

Best,
D.

NKflyer · 10 March 2015, 12:20 PM

This model, reference number 16710, was produced for about 20 years. Within that time, there have been many subtle refinements including bracelet, lume, elimination of lug holes, and even the mechanical movement itself. And these refinements can make a significant difference in price, as does the presence of box and/or papers. Also, the retail sites you named are overpriced and not well regarded. Ebay can be expensive too because sellers have to factor in the 10% final value fees that they get charged to sell. Lastly, remember that asking price and selling price are not the same thing. But that's just one person's opinion. You're certainly free to pay more if your research compels you.

watchabout · 10 March 2015, 02:37 PM

I don't mind paying more (not a lot more) if that will give me peace of mind as per the watch authenticity and proper service history.

I walked away from BobsW because I felt the watches were too overpriced but I think I got a decent deal on my 14060 on Beckertime. Like I said, my main concern was authenticity and the appraiser confirmed I had bought a legit watch.

When you say this sites (and others) aren't well regarded can you mention specifics? I'm aware of Beckertime's reputation for aftermarket parts although I feel the community is being a bit harsh on them. Other than that, are this sites dishonest in the way they conduct business? Abusive in their pricing policies, bad after sale service? Anything you can mention that is a concrete example?

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watchabout · 10 March 2015, 02:43 PM

I looked at the classifieds section here but I see some disadvantages to buying here:

I'm not all too familiar with the trusted sellers so I'm also at risk of buying a fake watch if I'm not careful.

The prices aren't as attractive as everyone claims they are.

The payment options are not as flexible.

It seems large sellers like DavidSW have mostly new models and not a lot of specific pieces like the one I'm searching for.

Whenever a watch like the one I want show up it gets sold almost immediately, of course this is not a fault of the seller or the forum but rather my own lack of readily available funds to buy almost immediately. Online sellers like BobsW and Becker seem to have a perennial source of old models, so when I'm finally ready to buy they will most likely have a watch available.

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8 March 2015, 04:50 AM	#1
watchabout "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2015 Real Name: Dave Location: miami Watch: Submariner Posts: 374	Thoughts on this GMT? Hello all, What do you think of this watch? Is it good? Thanks everyone. http://pages.ebay.com/link/?nav=item...d=191529714988 Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

9 March 2015, 10:27 AM	#11
Andad 2024 SubLV41 Pledge Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Real Name: Eddie Location: Australia Watch: A few. Posts: 37,522	Looks ok, why not ask for some pix of the movement and a service history? __________________ E

8 March 2015, 07:00 AM	#2
NKflyer 2024 Pledge Member Join Date: Jan 2012 Real Name: Richard Location: Colorado Posts: 2,858	Yes, watch is authentic.

8 March 2015, 07:16 AM	#3
Britexpat76 "TRF" Member Join Date: Feb 2014 Real Name: James Location: Middle East Watch: AP ROO,GP FTC, YM Posts: 892	Looks good to me.

8 March 2015, 11:58 AM	#4
watchabout "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2015 Real Name: Dave Location: miami Watch: Submariner Posts: 374	Thanks guys. Given that it is an old and discontinued model what would be a fair price? 4k, 4.5? Watch comes with no box and no papers. The bezel has a couple dents also. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

8 March 2015, 01:02 PM	#5
GradyPhilpott 2024 SubLV41 Pledge Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: New Mexico Watch: Seiko #SRK050 Posts: 34,460	Never mind.

9 March 2015, 02:38 AM	#8
watchabout "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2015 Real Name: Dave Location: miami Watch: Submariner Posts: 374	Oh ok. I think the first post you made never showed up, only this second one. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

9 March 2015, 04:53 AM	#9
NKflyer 2024 Pledge Member Join Date: Jan 2012 Real Name: Richard Location: Colorado Posts: 2,858	Yes, discontinued and superseded by the new ceramic bezel version, but still a very popular watch. I think low $4k range is a fair price and anything less than that is a bargain. Be sure to budget several hundred extra for possible service after purchase as with many undocumented watches.

9 March 2015, 09:09 AM	#10
ajg1960 "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2013 Real Name: Andy Location: New Jersey USA Watch: DJ / ND Sub Posts: 292	looks like a nice watch but at almost 5 more days in the auction it seems likely that the price will get up well over $4K and then it wont be so great a deal.

9 March 2015, 03:52 PM	#12
watchabout "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2015 Real Name: Dave Location: miami Watch: Submariner Posts: 374	I'll ask for that. Thanks. I agree this early in the auction the price is likely to go up and stop being attractive. If that's the case is much rather buy from a different source that would guarantee authenticity, that would also take care of service history. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

9 March 2015, 11:03 PM	#13
GGGMT 2024 SubLV41 Pledge Member Join Date: Aug 2013 Location: Itinerant Watch: 79010sg Posts: 8,345	By TRF.

10 March 2015, 12:20 PM	#15
NKflyer 2024 Pledge Member Join Date: Jan 2012 Real Name: Richard Location: Colorado Posts: 2,858	This model, reference number 16710, was produced for about 20 years. Within that time, there have been many subtle refinements including bracelet, lume, elimination of lug holes, and even the mechanical movement itself. And these refinements can make a significant difference in price, as does the presence of box and/or papers. Also, the retail sites you named are overpriced and not well regarded. Ebay can be expensive too because sellers have to factor in the 10% final value fees that they get charged to sell. Lastly, remember that asking price and selling price are not the same thing. But that's just one person's opinion. You're certainly free to pay more if your research compels you.

10 March 2015, 02:37 PM	#16
watchabout "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2015 Real Name: Dave Location: miami Watch: Submariner Posts: 374	I don't mind paying more (not a lot more) if that will give me peace of mind as per the watch authenticity and proper service history. I walked away from BobsW because I felt the watches were too overpriced but I think I got a decent deal on my 14060 on Beckertime. Like I said, my main concern was authenticity and the appraiser confirmed I had bought a legit watch. When you say this sites (and others) aren't well regarded can you mention specifics? I'm aware of Beckertime's reputation for aftermarket parts although I feel the community is being a bit harsh on them. Other than that, are this sites dishonest in the way they conduct business? Abusive in their pricing policies, bad after sale service? Anything you can mention that is a concrete example? Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

10 March 2015, 02:43 PM	#17
watchabout "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2015 Real Name: Dave Location: miami Watch: Submariner Posts: 374	I looked at the classifieds section here but I see some disadvantages to buying here: I'm not all too familiar with the trusted sellers so I'm also at risk of buying a fake watch if I'm not careful. The prices aren't as attractive as everyone claims they are. The payment options are not as flexible. It seems large sellers like DavidSW have mostly new models and not a lot of specific pieces like the one I'm searching for. Whenever a watch like the one I want show up it gets sold almost immediately, of course this is not a fault of the seller or the forum but rather my own lack of readily available funds to buy almost immediately. Online sellers like BobsW and Becker seem to have a perennial source of old models, so when I'm finally ready to buy they will most likely have a watch available. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

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