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Mick P · 17 July 2015, 11:24 PM

Chaps

I am about to start looking for a GMT and for reasons of appearance, it has got to be pre ceramic. I am not fussy about whether the watch is sapphire or plexi. I want the watch to be good and hence whatever I buy will be going straight in for a service.

I am hoping to solicit your views on the 16710, 16700, 16750, 16760 and 1675.

I know that they are all good useable watches and it will probably get 13 week wear each year.

I would be grateful if you could give me any pros and cons on any of the above models.

Many thanks

Mick

Vincent65 · 17 July 2015, 11:29 PM

They are all great. 1675 is my favourite, but it does not have quick-set date.

Old Expat Beast · 17 July 2015, 11:34 PM

16710 and 16760 are the only ones on which you can set the hour hand separately from the 24 hour hand. Something to consider. This is a great resource for comparison.. http://gmtmasterhistory.com/

2JHead · 17 July 2015, 11:55 PM

If you like em all the same I would go 16710. Unbeatable practicality, accuracy, waterproofness and although prices have risen they can still be had somewhat reasonable.

1675 - nice but old
16750 - corroded hands issue
16760 - sure
16700 - sure but why not 16710
16710 - where it's at

Blackdog · 18 July 2015, 12:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 2JHead

If you like em all the same I would go 16710. Unbeatable practicality, accuracy, waterproofness and although prices have risen they can still be had somewhat reasonable.

1675 - nice but old
16750 - corroded hands issue
16760 - sure
16700 - sure but why not 16710
16710 - where it's at

I tend to agree with the above analysis.
Specifically regarding the 16760 vs. 16710, the former is rarer and more collectable, but the latter is thinner and wears lighter on the wrist, something I was definitely after (my other Rolex is a SeaDweller).

Additionally, with the 16710 you have a great range to choose from: from the early tritium dials and lug holes for that neo-vintage appeal to a recent luminova model with SELs for maximum modern functionality and guaranteed low mileage.

I went with the former, which ticked all the boxes for me:

HERITAGE82 · 18 July 2015, 12:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Blackdog

I tend to agree with the above analysis.
Specifically regarding the 16760 vs. 16710, the former is rarer and more collectable, but the latter is thinner and wears lighter on the wrist, something I was definitely after (my other Rolex is a SeaDweller).

Additionally, with the 16710 you have a great range to choose from: from the early tritium dials and lug holes for that neo-vintage appeal to a recent luminova model with SELs for maximum modern functionality and guaranteed low mileage.

I went with the former, which ticked all the boxes for me:

Stunning picture of a great reference!

Tools · 18 July 2015, 01:37 AM

If all you are going for is the look with minimal wrist time it doesn't really matter much.

Get the best example you can find for the price you want to pay.

joe100 · 18 July 2015, 02:14 AM

Any of them are fine, pick the best one and enjoy

springer · 18 July 2015, 02:48 AM

They are all great watches so you must decide what your priorities are when looking for a GMT or GMT II.

The GMT 1675 was made for roughly two decades - 1960 to 1980. The early ones had glossy dials with gilt printing which you'll find from around 1960 until 1966 when the dial was changed to the matte black dials with white lettering. The 1675 model has an acrylic crystal and non quick-set date feature. Beginning around 1972, the 1675 received the hacking seconds hand feature which allows you to stop the sweep seconds hand when the winding crown is pulled all the way out. This is called hacking. The 24-hour hand can not be set independently on this model.

The GMT 16750 replaced the GMT 1675 and started to appear around 1980 and it too has an acrylic crystal like the 1675 model. The 16750 has a different movement than the 1675 and an additional feature not found on the 1675 which is the quick-set date. The early 16750s had a matte dial and appear similar to a 1675. The 24-hour hand can not be set independently on this model like the 1675 model. Around 1984, the 16750 dial was changed to add a glossy dial with gold surround markers which are found on the remainder of the GMT models up to today. Many collectors prefer the 16750 with the matte dial (circa 1980 to 1984) over the glossy dials with the gold surround markers. Additionally, the quick-set date feature found of the 16750s is another plus to many collectors when compared to the 1675 model.

The GMT II, model 16760 was introduced during 1983 and discontinued around 1989 and has a different movement than the previous GMT 1675 and 16750. It features a sapphire crystal and a semi quick-set date feature where the hour hand can be adjusted independently of the 24-hour hand. The case on the 16760 model, also referred to as the "Fat Lady," is larger than the previous models and larger than the GMT 16700 and GMT II 16710 models.

The GMT II 16710 replaced the 16760 around 1989. The 16710 has a case that is a little smaller than than 16760. Production runs from around 1989 through around 2006. Many collectors consider the 16760 vintage due to its age and short production run when compared to the 16710. The internals of the 16760 and 16710 are the same except for the last couple years of the 16710 production which had some minor movement modifications.

The GMT 16700 replaced the GMT 16750 around 1989 and ceased production around 1999. It shares the same movement as the GMT 16750 and also has the quick-set date feature. It was made during the same time period as the 16710 but in lesser quantities than the 16710.

Bezel inserts varied through the years with the GMT 1675 originally available with the red/blue "Pepsi" insert and later during the 1970s, a black insert became an option on this model. The GMT 16750 was available with the "Pepsi" or black insert. The GMT II 16760 was only available with the red/black "Coke" insert. The GMT II 16710 was available with black, "Pepsi" or "Coke" inserts. The GMT 16700 was available with the black insert or the "Pepsi" insert.

In choosing a specific model, you must decide what it is that you want in your GMT. If you want something vintage that has collector value, the 1675 would be a good choice or the 16750 with the quick-set date feature.

If you want a sapphire crystal, the GMT II 16760 is hard to beat with its short production run. The GMT 16700 is also another model to consider with a short production run.

Personally, I own several GMT 1675 and 16750 models which are my favorites in the GMT line of fine watches.

jdmi32 · 18 July 2015, 04:02 AM

Based on what you've written I think a 16710 would suit you best.

MitchSteel · 18 July 2015, 05:53 AM

Eeniemeeniemoneemo

Look, if you want an everyday type of thing, fine, go with the saphire GMT

If you want something with collectability and coolness factor......1675 hands down.......BUT WHICH ONE? Gilt? Radial? PCG? .....see what I'm saying?

You're entering dark, mysterious waters of vintage Rolex.

Frosty · 18 July 2015, 07:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MitchSteel

You're entering dark, mysterious waters of vintage Rolex.

That is a fact!

Great write up, JP!

VinnieVegas · 18 July 2015, 07:20 AM

I own a 16710 and I love it. It's my go-to watch. More so now as I bought a Pepsi and Black bezel insert to go with my Coke.

You can't go wrong with a 16710. I'm wearing mine right now!

Good luck!

Mick P · 18 July 2015, 07:53 AM

Chaps

Many thanks for your replies and advice, believe me, it is much appreciated and valued.

Following your various comments, I suspect I shall be looking into either a 16710 or a 17670.

Once again, many thanks.

Mick

landroverking · 18 July 2015, 08:19 AM

My choice is a 1675 Pepsi on a jubilee.

Loevhagen · 18 July 2015, 08:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 2JHead

If you like em all the same I would go 16710. Unbeatable practicality, accuracy, waterproofness and although prices have risen they can still be had somewhat reasonable.

1675 - nice but old
16750 - corroded hands issue on the early versions
16760 - sure
16700 - sure but why not 16710
16710 - where it's at

Fixed it.

http://www.rolexforums.com/showthread.php?t=378377

MitchSteel · 18 July 2015, 10:17 AM

Just re-read Springers write up.

Thanks,John

strafer_kid · 19 July 2015, 08:44 AM

GMT is definitely a great watch and you cannot really go wrong with any of the models - really comes down to personal taste. They all wear pretty well on the wrist and you have good choices of bezel insert on the earlier ones. For most guys, they are really versatile with sufficient waterproofing etc. go for it!

bigsmall · 20 July 2015, 05:17 AM

I'd look for a sapphire model- no matter which. I'd take the watch in the best condition without b+p, maybe from a dealer, with warranty.

DC109 · 20 July 2015, 05:39 PM

Mick, one thing to consider seriously before you commit: have you ever worn a date watch without a quickset date? I travel a lot and never really need to track more than two time zones, so an independent hour hand is not that helpful, and for a watch you will only wear half the time, cycling through the dates using the hour hand is a pain. I have a 1675 and 16710--I'll keep the 1675 for it's vintage cool, but am planning on swapping the 16710 for a 16700 or 16750 eventually!

Matt748 · 21 July 2015, 01:15 AM

Consider the 16700
All the vintage que's that make it a great looking watch with all the modern requirements of today. Great movement, sapphire glass and very solid construction.
I have been wearing mine daily, swimming and sunbathing and it loves it.

Matt748 · 21 July 2015, 01:15 AM

Consider the 16700
All the vintage que's that make it a great looking watch with all the modern requirements of today. Great movement, sapphire glass and very solid construction.
I have been wearing mine daily, swimming and sunbathing and it loves it.

Boopie · 23 August 2015, 04:32 AM

This is helpful, as I have convinced my husband to get one (Pepsi). He has a TT black Sub that his father gave him, but due to its sentimental value (and gold content) he doesn't feel comfortable wearing it every day.

We found an A series 16710 last week but it was tritium, and the lume dots at 1 and 4 looked corroded, and didn't look right. Plus, the dealer took off a Coke bezel and put a really faded bezel on it. Now that he's seen one and has worn one he really wants one badly.

It looks great, and we can't wait to get the one that sings to him!

17 July 2015, 11:24 PM	#1
Mick P Banned Join Date: Feb 2014 Location: UK / Spain Watch: 39mm Explorer Posts: 1,990	Advice on a Pre Ceramic GMT Chaps I am about to start looking for a GMT and for reasons of appearance, it has got to be pre ceramic. I am not fussy about whether the watch is sapphire or plexi. I want the watch to be good and hence whatever I buy will be going straight in for a service. I am hoping to solicit your views on the 16710, 16700, 16750, 16760 and 1675. I know that they are all good useable watches and it will probably get 13 week wear each year. I would be grateful if you could give me any pros and cons on any of the above models. Many thanks Mick

17 July 2015, 11:29 PM	#2
Vincent65 "TRF" Member Join Date: Aug 2012 Location: Switzerland Posts: 14,298	They are all great. 1675 is my favourite, but it does not have quick-set date. __________________

18 July 2015, 01:37 AM	#7
Tools TRF Moderator & 2024 SubLV41 Patron Join Date: May 2007 Real Name: Larry Location: Mojave Desert Watch: GMT's Posts: 43,514	If all you are going for is the look with minimal wrist time it doesn't really matter much. Get the best example you can find for the price you want to pay. __________________ (Chill ... It's just a watch Forum.....) NAWCC Member

18 July 2015, 02:14 AM	#8
joe100 2024 SubLV41 Pledge Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Real Name: Joe Location: New Mexico Watch: Explorer Posts: 12,840	Any of them are fine, pick the best one and enjoy __________________ It's Espresso, not Expresso. Coffee is not a train in Italy. -TRF Member 6982-

18 July 2015, 02:48 AM	#9
springer 2024 SubLV41 Pledge Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Real Name: jP Location: Texas Watch: GMT-MASTER Posts: 17,319	They are all great watches so you must decide what your priorities are when looking for a GMT or GMT II. The GMT 1675 was made for roughly two decades - 1960 to 1980. The early ones had glossy dials with gilt printing which you'll find from around 1960 until 1966 when the dial was changed to the matte black dials with white lettering. The 1675 model has an acrylic crystal and non quick-set date feature. Beginning around 1972, the 1675 received the hacking seconds hand feature which allows you to stop the sweep seconds hand when the winding crown is pulled all the way out. This is called hacking. The 24-hour hand can not be set independently on this model. The GMT 16750 replaced the GMT 1675 and started to appear around 1980 and it too has an acrylic crystal like the 1675 model. The 16750 has a different movement than the 1675 and an additional feature not found on the 1675 which is the quick-set date. The early 16750s had a matte dial and appear similar to a 1675. The 24-hour hand can not be set independently on this model like the 1675 model. Around 1984, the 16750 dial was changed to add a glossy dial with gold surround markers which are found on the remainder of the GMT models up to today. Many collectors prefer the 16750 with the matte dial (circa 1980 to 1984) over the glossy dials with the gold surround markers. Additionally, the quick-set date feature found of the 16750s is another plus to many collectors when compared to the 1675 model. The GMT II, model 16760 was introduced during 1983 and discontinued around 1989 and has a different movement than the previous GMT 1675 and 16750. It features a sapphire crystal and a semi quick-set date feature where the hour hand can be adjusted independently of the 24-hour hand. The case on the 16760 model, also referred to as the "Fat Lady," is larger than the previous models and larger than the GMT 16700 and GMT II 16710 models. The GMT II 16710 replaced the 16760 around 1989. The 16710 has a case that is a little smaller than than 16760. Production runs from around 1989 through around 2006. Many collectors consider the 16760 vintage due to its age and short production run when compared to the 16710. The internals of the 16760 and 16710 are the same except for the last couple years of the 16710 production which had some minor movement modifications. The GMT 16700 replaced the GMT 16750 around 1989 and ceased production around 1999. It shares the same movement as the GMT 16750 and also has the quick-set date feature. It was made during the same time period as the 16710 but in lesser quantities than the 16710. Bezel inserts varied through the years with the GMT 1675 originally available with the red/blue "Pepsi" insert and later during the 1970s, a black insert became an option on this model. The GMT 16750 was available with the "Pepsi" or black insert. The GMT II 16760 was only available with the red/black "Coke" insert. The GMT II 16710 was available with black, "Pepsi" or "Coke" inserts. The GMT 16700 was available with the black insert or the "Pepsi" insert. In choosing a specific model, you must decide what it is that you want in your GMT. If you want something vintage that has collector value, the 1675 would be a good choice or the 16750 with the quick-set date feature. If you want a sapphire crystal, the GMT II 16760 is hard to beat with its short production run. The GMT 16700 is also another model to consider with a short production run. Personally, I own several GMT 1675 and 16750 models which are my favorites in the GMT line of fine watches. __________________ Member of NAWCC since 1990. INSTAGRAM USER NAME: SPRINGERJFP Visit my Instagram page to view some of the finest vintage GMTs anywhere - as well as other vintage classics.

17 July 2015, 11:34 PM	#3
Old Expat Beast TRF Moderator & 2024 SubLV41 Patron Join Date: Jul 2013 Real Name: Adam Location: Far East Watch: Golden Tuna Posts: 28,825	16710 and 16760 are the only ones on which you can set the hour hand separately from the 24 hour hand. Something to consider. This is a great resource for comparison.. http://gmtmasterhistory.com/

17 July 2015, 11:55 PM	#4
2JHead "TRF" Member Join Date: Aug 2014 Location: Western Europe Posts: 609	If you like em all the same I would go 16710. Unbeatable practicality, accuracy, waterproofness and although prices have risen they can still be had somewhat reasonable. 1675 - nice but old 16750 - corroded hands issue 16760 - sure 16700 - sure but why not 16710 16710 - where it's at

18 July 2015, 04:02 AM	#10
jdmi32 "TRF" Member Join Date: Oct 2013 Real Name: Ky Location: Bay Area, CA Watch: 16570 Posts: 2,362	Based on what you've written I think a 16710 would suit you best.

18 July 2015, 05:53 AM	#11
MitchSteel "TRF" Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Real Name: MDangerSteel Location: Canada Watch: Vintage Rolex Posts: 2,301	Eeniemeeniemoneemo Look, if you want an everyday type of thing, fine, go with the saphire GMT If you want something with collectability and coolness factor......1675 hands down.......BUT WHICH ONE? Gilt? Radial? PCG? .....see what I'm saying? You're entering dark, mysterious waters of vintage Rolex. __________________ Card Carrying Member of the Global Association of Retro-Grouch-Curmudgeons Probability of survival is inversely proportional to the angle of arrival---Capt. Rage Don't believe anything in aviation, 'till V1---Mitch Danger Steel

18 July 2015, 07:20 AM	#13
VinnieVegas "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2015 Real Name: Vincent B Location: New York, NY Watch: '06 GMT Master II Posts: 1,261	I own a 16710 and I love it. It's my go-to watch. More so now as I bought a Pepsi and Black bezel insert to go with my Coke. You can't go wrong with a 16710. I'm wearing mine right now! Good luck! __________________ Wearing Today: * Seiko SRP777 (2017)

18 July 2015, 07:53 AM	#14
Mick P Banned Join Date: Feb 2014 Location: UK / Spain Watch: 39mm Explorer Posts: 1,990	Chaps Many thanks for your replies and advice, believe me, it is much appreciated and valued. Following your various comments, I suspect I shall be looking into either a 16710 or a 17670. Once again, many thanks. Mick

18 July 2015, 08:19 AM	#15
landroverking "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Real Name: Jay Location: TEXAS Watch: Daytona Posts: 7,648	My choice is a 1675 Pepsi on a jubilee.

18 July 2015, 10:17 AM	#17
MitchSteel "TRF" Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Real Name: MDangerSteel Location: Canada Watch: Vintage Rolex Posts: 2,301	Just re-read Springers write up. Thanks,John __________________ Card Carrying Member of the Global Association of Retro-Grouch-Curmudgeons Probability of survival is inversely proportional to the angle of arrival---Capt. Rage Don't believe anything in aviation, 'till V1---Mitch Danger Steel

19 July 2015, 08:44 AM	#18
strafer_kid "TRF" Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Real Name: Kenny Location: northern ireland Watch: SDs, Subs & GMTs Posts: 5,136	GMT is definitely a great watch and you cannot really go wrong with any of the models - really comes down to personal taste. They all wear pretty well on the wrist and you have good choices of bezel insert on the earlier ones. For most guys, they are really versatile with sufficient waterproofing etc. go for it!

20 July 2015, 05:17 AM	#19
bigsmall "TRF" Member Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: unsure Posts: 124	I'd look for a sapphire model- no matter which. I'd take the watch in the best condition without b+p, maybe from a dealer, with warranty.

20 July 2015, 05:39 PM	#20
DC109 "TRF" Member Join Date: Aug 2012 Location: Washington, DC Posts: 5	Mick, one thing to consider seriously before you commit: have you ever worn a date watch without a quickset date? I travel a lot and never really need to track more than two time zones, so an independent hour hand is not that helpful, and for a watch you will only wear half the time, cycling through the dates using the hour hand is a pain. I have a 1675 and 16710--I'll keep the 1675 for it's vintage cool, but am planning on swapping the 16710 for a 16700 or 16750 eventually!

21 July 2015, 01:15 AM	#21
Matt748 "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2014 Location: London - UK Watch: Rolex Posts: 1,249	Consider the 16700 All the vintage que's that make it a great looking watch with all the modern requirements of today. Great movement, sapphire glass and very solid construction. I have been wearing mine daily, swimming and sunbathing and it loves it.

23 August 2015, 04:32 AM	#23
Boopie "TRF" Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Beverly Hills, CA Watch: Yachtmaster Posts: 3,952	This is helpful, as I have convinced my husband to get one (Pepsi). He has a TT black Sub that his father gave him, but due to its sentimental value (and gold content) he doesn't feel comfortable wearing it every day. We found an A series 16710 last week but it was tritium, and the lume dots at 1 and 4 looked corroded, and didn't look right. Plus, the dealer took off a Coke bezel and put a really faded bezel on it. Now that he's seen one and has worn one he really wants one badly. It looks great, and we can't wait to get the one that sings to him!

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