What do you think of redials? Modern Paul Newman

[Daytonaman799]

https://www.chrono24.com/en/rolex/da...%2fnotepad.htm


I saw this watch and thought it was just awesome. It recreated the aesthetic of the famous Paul Newman dial but you get all the benefits of a modern Daytona. That means its automatic, water resistant, and has the great bracelet. I know it doesn't have the investment potential or cache of the original PN but I think its phenomenal. What are the thoughts here?

[RolexAuthority]

That's actually quite a nice looking dial as it goes very nicely done indeed and not gawdy as some are

[VerticalHorizon]

I think it looks fantastic!

[AK797]

It is tempting but it is a franken with a fake dial and not modded so not for me.

[77T]

The dial definitely misappropriated the Rolex trademark and coronet icon. As such it is a fake and I'd steer clear.


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[GB-man]

Not for me. OCD leads me to be picky about aftermarket stuff.

[landroverking]

The big thing I have a problem with is price and resale.

[RichM]

Looks really nice but not for me. For all the same reasons stated above.

[AbsolutelyROLEX!]

Way overpriced, i dont know why people think these modifications command higher prices!

[Chewbacca]

Originally Posted by Daytonaman799

https://www.chrono24.com/en/rolex/da...%2fnotepad.htm


I saw this watch and thought it was just awesome. It recreated the aesthetic of the famous Paul Newman dial but you get all the benefits of a modern Daytona. That means its automatic, water resistant, and has the great bracelet. I know it doesn't have the investment potential or cache of the original PN but I think its phenomenal. What are the thoughts here?

i like it! its not a garish mod. but at $15k, its ambitious.

Originally Posted by AK797

It is tempting but it is a franken with a fake dial and not modded so not for me.

i hear you but i think its a modded dial, not a fake dial. the seller states its the rolex dial but modded by them. they also mention rolex has nothing to do with the mod.

Originally Posted by 77T

The dial definitely misappropriated the Rolex trademark and coronet icon. As such it is a fake and I'd steer clear.


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i don't think its a fake because there's isn't a modern one to fake. the seller states its the modded original dial; i'm just playing devils advocate here.

Originally Posted by anderl712000

Way overpriced, i dont know why people think these modifications command higher prices!

agree. maybe they're assessing the market? i've seen 20y old daytonas with ice blue coatings sell for $15k so this might be a fair ask.


should be interesting to see if it sells but others have done their own renditions too... i prefer the black.

http://stupiddope.com/2014/04/11/bla...an-first-look/


http://www.highsnobiety.com/2014/04/...a-paul-newman/


(i'm also on the fence on whether this is a watch-out post... maybe open discussion is more appropriate?)

[77T]

Originally Posted by Chewbacca

i hear you but i think its a modded dial, not a fake dial. the seller states its the rolex dial but modded by them. they also mention rolex has nothing to do with the mod.



i don't think its a fake because there's isn't a modern one to fake. the seller states its the modded original dial; i'm just playing devils advocate here.


(i'm also on the fence on whether this is a watch-out post... maybe open discussion is more appropriate?)

I can see your points about using the word "fake". Maybe "unauthorized replica" is more apt - but unwieldy.

Had they left off the trademarks, it'd just be a custom dial.


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[kooltzar]

It is fake full stop!

If any Rolex branded part which is not Rolex authorized is used it is a counterfeit. Any trade with such a watch is illegal.

Any further discussion is superfluous.

[Watchurself]

That with a black ceramic bezel would look amazing..

[GradyPhilpott]

Originally Posted by kooltzar

It is fake full stop!

If any Rolex branded part which is not Rolex authorized is used it is a counterfeit. Any trade with such a watch is illegal.

Any further discussion is superfluous.

I'm not buying that.

Rolex has never gone after Bamford or Pro-Hunter.

True, Rolex won't service such watches unless they can return them to original, but I've never heard of these watches being considered counterfeit.

Now, as far as I'm concerned an aftermarket dial is counterfeit.

These watches have repainted original dials.

But, hey, I don't live in Switzerland.

[BNA/LION]

I Luv the look of the 6239, 6263, 6264 and 6265 but could not wear one that was "redialed" or not all original Rolex and unadulterated.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=di59iCDPEmo

[Chewbacca]

Originally Posted by kooltzar

It is fake full stop!

If any Rolex branded part which is not Rolex authorized is used it is a counterfeit. Any trade with such a watch is illegal.

Any further discussion is superfluous.

Originally Posted by GradyPhilpott

I'm not buying that.

Rolex has never gone after Bamford or Pro-Hunter.

True, Rolex won't service such watches unless they can return them to original, but I've never heard of these watches being considered counterfeit.

Now, as far as I'm concerned an aftermarket dial is counterfeit.

These watches have repainted original dials.

But, hey, I don't live in Switzerland.

[Abdullah71601]

Originally Posted by kooltzar

It is fake full stop!

If any Rolex branded part which is not Rolex authorized is used it is a counterfeit. Any trade with such a watch is illegal.

Any further discussion is superfluous.

You are saying that if I modify my original Rolex parts to change the look, it makes it fake, and illegal? There are several members here who have modified their watches (PVD, bezel insert number paint, etc.). You're saying we should call the cops on these guys?

Extending your notion to other products, it would be illegal to apply a custom paint color to my car.

As long as any mod's to the original parts are fully disclosed to a potential buyer, I don't see any dishonesty in it.

[kooltzar]

If Rolex didn't licence the possibility of customizing a a part of a watch bearing the trademark it is counterfeit. I supose pro hunter has such a licence from Rolex.

Destroying your own watch is up to you.

[wmoore]

IMHO the problem is not the guy modding his own piece, the problem arises several owners down the line where the truth can get blurred. We see the same thing in my other hobby, the muscle car market, 1st owner it is a clone, second owner a possible recreation and finally by the third or fourth owner it is represented as original to some well funded but less than well informed buyer.
I will never understand why a person will shell out big money without spending a small amount to verify the originality of his potential purchase.
Just my 2 cents
Wayne

[Daytonaman799]

I really liked it. I don't think its fake...its like any Bamford, pro hunter etc. Its a modified dial just like AMG used to modify Mercedes before Mercedes actually bought AMG. Anyway...i think its cool and not a fake Rolex by amy means. I wish the company would make dials like that again. Until they do this is the only option. I don't get why its in the watch out section. Putting a Panda dial on a SS Daytona is not that different and Rolex won't service that either. Regardless...I'm a bit bummed now because the watch sold and it wasn't to me...

[GradyPhilpott]

Originally Posted by kooltzar

If Rolex didn't licence the possibility of customizing a a part of a watch bearing the trademark it is counterfeit. I supose pro hunter has such a licence from Rolex.

You need to provide a citation, if you are to be taken seriously.

I will admit that I'm wrong in a heartbeat with some proof.

Originally Posted by kooltzar

Destroying your own watch is up to you.

Destruction is in the eye of the beholder and basically, when Bamford and Pro-Hunter buy a watch it is theirs to do with as they please, including modifying it and then selling it.

[Chewbacca]

Originally Posted by Abdullah71601

You are saying that if I modify my original Rolex parts to change the look, it makes it fake, and illegal? There are several members here who have modified their watches (PVD, bezel insert number paint, etc.). You're saying we should call the cops on these guys?

Extending your notion to other products, it would be illegal to apply a custom paint color to my car.

As long as any mod's to the original parts are fully disclosed to a potential buyer, I don't see any dishonesty in it.

Originally Posted by kooltzar

If Rolex didn't licence the possibility of customizing a a part of a watch bearing the trademark it is counterfeit. I supose pro hunter has such a licence from Rolex.

Destroying your own watch is up to you.

whatever you do, don't visit the modified rolex thread....

http://www.rolexforums.com/showthread.php?t=159394

Originally Posted by GradyPhilpott

You need to provide a citation, if you are to be taken seriously.

I will admit that I'm wrong in a heartbeat with some proof.



Destruction is in the eye of the beholder and basically, when Bamford and Pro-Hunter buy a watch it is theirs to do with as they please, including modifying it and then selling it.

classy.

[Fredrik]

You are can modify your stuff as much as you like. What kooltzar is saying is that as soon as you sell it and you have modified parts with applied trademarks on them you might be in trouble. Putting a Rolex crown on a Seiko is fine unless you sell it. Modifying a dial as it is is probably fine. Removing trademarked items like the crown, totally repainting the dial, then reapplying the crown and print Rolex on it might actually be sketchy if you want to sell it even if the dial plate is original.

Neither Bamford nor Pro Hunter has modified the Rolex text or the crown on the dial and are clear as far as I know.

[HL65]

Originally Posted by GradyPhilpott

I'm not buying that.

Rolex has never gone after Bamford or Pro-Hunter.

True, Rolex won't service such watches unless they can return them to original, but I've never heard of these watches being considered counterfeit.

Now, as far as I'm concerned an aftermarket dial is counterfeit.

These watches have repainted original dials.

But, hey, I don't live in Switzerland.

Correct...I am very good friends with US President of Bamford and they can't keep up with demand regardless if people here don't like watches. They sell very well and for a lot of money - fact.

[jolimont]

Originally Posted by kooltzar

If Rolex didn't licence the possibility of customizing a a part of a watch bearing the trademark it is counterfeit. I supose pro hunter has such a licence from Rolex.

Destroying your own watch is up to you.

...........what?

[drifter01]

Originally Posted by Fredrik

... Putting a Rolex crown on a Seiko is fine unless you sell it. Modifying a dial as it is is probably fine. Removing trademarked items like the crown, totally repainting the dial, then reapplying the crown and print Rolex on it might actually be sketchy if you want to sell it even if the dial plate is original...

A) Putting a Rolex crown on a Seiko is fine as long as bother are genuine items. The Rolex crown (if you are talking about the winding crown and not the coronet) is marked with the Rolex logo and is genuine, as is the Seiko watch. The is no infringement nor counterfeiting involved. It is just a mixing of genuine parts to create something custom.
B) So if I remove the Ford logo on my car to do a custom paint job, and then put the Ford emblem back on I am counterfeiting? I can legally remove logos and return them to the original piece over and over again...nothng illegal. It is only illegal when I apply the logo to a non-genuine part.

[Fredrik]

Originally Posted by drifter01

A) Putting a Rolex crown on a Seiko is fine as long as bother are genuine items. The Rolex crown (if you are talking about the winding crown and not the coronet) is marked with the Rolex logo and is genuine, as is the Seiko watch. The is no infringement nor counterfeiting involved. It is just a mixing of genuine parts to create something custom.
B) So if I remove the Ford logo on my car to do a custom paint job, and then put the Ford emblem back on I am counterfeiting? I can legally remove logos and return them to the original piece over and over again...nothng illegal. It is only illegal when I apply the logo to a non-genuine part.

I did mean the coronet, the same word "crown" is used for both the crown and the coronet on the dial in Swedish.

I did not say that I also agreed that it is or should be illegal. I was trying to clarify.
If you compare it to buying a Picasso painting, repaint it totally with your own artwork and reapply his signature, then you see my point maybe. This is fine unless you try to sell it.

I think both the car and painting analogy is somewhat bad, but one is clearly OK and one is not to me.