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brandonwahl · 14 November 2015, 09:52 AM

I've been searching for a 1675 or 16750 matte dial GMT recently. I've come across some that have paint/lume/something outside of the markers, and some that have stuff that doesn't quite cover the markers. I am unsure about what it could be. What do you guys think? Are these attempts to show fake patina? Bad lume jobs? Natural wear?

All of the postings claim either original dial, or service dial. All my Rolex education tells me that Rolex watches are perfect, and red flags should be raised if anything seems off. Of course, these watches I'm describing are 40+ years old. So I'm unsure.

Thanks in advance.

RC2 · 14 November 2015, 11:44 AM

Can be normal for watches that are older could be relume or just old fashion patina. The newer ones are close to perfect. Older ones are that. Old and worn. Just the way we like them

JohnnyNoDate · 14 November 2015, 12:08 PM

Just to add to this conversation:

Do dials with "spotting" like the example below from 5513mattedial.com negatively affect value?

Are these considered acceptable natural aging/patina, or stains/defects?

RC2 · 14 November 2015, 12:16 PM

Normal. I would say a lot of it affects negatively. Some acceptable. Those with none premium.

morafa4 · 14 November 2015, 05:21 PM

Consistently over the markers implies a relume job. A shrunken, non-geometrical shape behind/within preprinted markers would imply relume as well.

Spotting or speckling across the dial can/would most likely be cleaned up by some rodico, and should gives a heads up to look for flaking of the hands, if not of the individual plots and/or dragging of the hands.

Who's to say where's the line to draw on the worst lume job that Rolex has done or hasn't... Rolex has occasionally significantly erred on individual examples. My point is, many dealers might state that it's an 'original' dial while it's within reasonable cosmetic/uncosmetic limits -- but a poor example is a poor example, and might as well be chalked up as questionable.

Old is old, and you should remember that patina is a big authenticator in the world of Vintage.

To sum, things up: trust... but trust no one.

14 November 2015, 09:52 AM	#1
brandonwahl "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2013 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 72	1675 GMT Dial Question I've been searching for a 1675 or 16750 matte dial GMT recently. I've come across some that have paint/lume/something outside of the markers, and some that have stuff that doesn't quite cover the markers. I am unsure about what it could be. What do you guys think? Are these attempts to show fake patina? Bad lume jobs? Natural wear? All of the postings claim either original dial, or service dial. All my Rolex education tells me that Rolex watches are perfect, and red flags should be raised if anything seems off. Of course, these watches I'm describing are 40+ years old. So I'm unsure. Thanks in advance. Attached Images

14 November 2015, 11:44 AM	#2
RC2 "TRF" Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Real Name: Rich Location: NC Watch: Rolex 1675 Posts: 2,359	Can be normal for watches that are older could be relume or just old fashion patina. The newer ones are close to perfect. Older ones are that. Old and worn. Just the way we like them __________________ Rich Member of Nylon Nation Red Sox Nation Instagram watchguy97

14 November 2015, 12:16 PM	#4
RC2 "TRF" Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Real Name: Rich Location: NC Watch: Rolex 1675 Posts: 2,359	Normal. I would say a lot of it affects negatively. Some acceptable. Those with none premium. __________________ Rich Member of Nylon Nation Red Sox Nation Instagram watchguy97

14 November 2015, 12:08 PM	#3
JohnnyNoDate "TRF" Member Join Date: May 2015 Location: USA Posts: 357	Just to add to this conversation: Do dials with "spotting" like the example below from 5513mattedial.com negatively affect value? Are these considered acceptable natural aging/patina, or stains/defects?

14 November 2015, 05:21 PM	#5
morafa4 "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Real Name: Alexander Location: New York, NY Watch: 16610, 1675, Cx Posts: 165	Consistently over the markers implies a relume job. A shrunken, non-geometrical shape behind/within preprinted markers would imply relume as well. Spotting or speckling across the dial can/would most likely be cleaned up by some rodico, and should gives a heads up to look for flaking of the hands, if not of the individual plots and/or dragging of the hands. Who's to say where's the line to draw on the worst lume job that Rolex has done or hasn't... Rolex has occasionally significantly erred on individual examples. My point is, many dealers might state that it's an 'original' dial while it's within reasonable cosmetic/uncosmetic limits -- but a poor example is a poor example, and might as well be chalked up as questionable. Old is old, and you should remember that patina is a big authenticator in the world of Vintage. To sum, things up: trust... but trust no one.

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