New 114060 running 40 seconds fast

[ilovewatchestoo]

My fellow TRF'ers

I purchased a brand new 114060 2 weeks ago from my local AD and a couple days ago I reset the time in the morning and noticed at night it was almost a minute off. I the watch time this morning and about 9 hours later it has gained 40 seconds.

Should I ask for a brand new watch?
Should I take it in immediately the the AD? (their watchmaker is a certified Rolex watchamker)
Should I send it to RSC direct?
Should I wait and see if the watch adjusts on its own? If so wait how long?

Thank you for your help. I really dont need it to be even cosc standards, but this is just wrong.

Cheers

[asleep]

Call the AD and tell your salesperson. Imagine you'll be invited to bring it in for a look.

[Spoonage]

Some people say it takes a couple weeks - 1 month to break in. With that being said, what are you using to time against? Are you using an official time app / website or timing it against something else? Is the movement fully wound? Did you bang the watch on anything? 40 seconds is pretty far out.

[watchwatcher]

First of all, I wouldn't do anything...yet. Let the power reserve run all the way down, give it a good manual of say 40 winds and observe the watch's performance over the next few weeks. If it's still erratic, you can take it in and get it regulated.

Oh, and congrats on the sub...great watch.

[Snoop_]

I have same watch and it running it running +5.3 over the past 3 days still within COSC and it bothers me your time would drive me crazy. Your AD should ship to Rolex for free since it is out of COSC spec which is covered under Rolex warranty.

[ilovewatchestoo]

Thanks everyone and I love the SubC this isnt taking away my enjoyment though. After getting the watched sized the watchmaker wound the watch for me, not sure how many rounds though. I wore the watch daily while taking it off occasionally during the evenings. The power reserve has never run all the way down. Yesterday I wound the watch 40 times and a few days before that I wound it about 15 rounds I think. I have yet to let the power reserve run all the way down so I will let it do that and then wind it 40 rounds.

I used the atomic clock on my phone and set it. Then opened the atomic clock later in the day and compared it to my watch's time. I noticed the 40 seconds that way.

Am I setting the time and monitoring it wrong?

[Syed117]

You're probably checking it correctly, but just in case:

I use time.is when I want to set a watch.

-Go to time.is on your phone or computer.

-Put out the crown and stop the seconds hand when it's exactly at 12.

-Set the time to one minute ahead of current time so you can start it when it catches up.

-Click in the crown as the clock on time.is hits zero seconds.

Check time.is again over the course of a day to several days.

I usually also give a watch a good full wind as soon as I set the time.

[ilovewatchestoo]

Originally Posted by Syed117

You're probably checking it correctly, but just in case:

I use time.is when I want to set a watch.

-Go to time.is on your phone or computer.

-Put out the crown and stop the seconds hand when it's exactly at 12.

-Set the time to one minute ahead of current time so you can start it when it catches up.

-Click in the crown as the clock on time.is hits zero seconds.

Check time.is again over the course of a day to several days.

I usually also give a watch a good full wind as soon as I set the time.

OK cool glad I was doing it right. Im going to let my watch exhaust all its power reserve, then wind 40 times, and then set the watch's time and monitor for a few weeks.

[SLS]

There really is no "break in" period for modern watches...if so, maybe 24-48 hours max. Make sure you are using a credible timing source, it simply may need to be regulated.
Scott

[padi56]

Originally Posted by ilovewatchestoo

My fellow TRF'ers

I purchased a brand new 114060 2 weeks ago from my local AD and a couple days ago I reset the time in the morning and noticed at night it was almost a minute off. I the watch time this morning and about 9 hours later it has gained 40 seconds.

Should I ask for a brand new watch?
Should I take it in immediately the the AD? (their watchmaker is a certified Rolex watchamker)
Should I send it to RSC direct?
Should I wait and see if the watch adjusts on its own? If so wait how long?

Thank you for your help. I really dont need it to be even cosc standards, but this is just wrong.

Cheers

First you cannot check any watch for accuracy the way you are doing it,when the movement is tested at the COSC,In the first 10 days of testing the movement could vary by up to 10 seconds either way in any 24 hour period and still pass the test.Now the COSC test is only for the time of testing just to say the movement had passed the AVERAGE of -4 +6 seconds over any 24 hour period nothing more.Now to test any watch for accuracy first give it a full manual wind 40 full crown turns clockwise only.Then sync your watch to a reliable time source for this test any quartz watch will do that's accurate enough.After setting watches wear yours as normal but for 8 hours plus a day.Check time once daily with same setting source write down the lose or gain do this for 7 complete days then average out the loss or gain over the 7 days for a more accurate result but remember there are 86400 seconds in a day.With the 3 series movements different resting positions when off wrist will make little or no difference perhaps a second or so difference at most.But gravity does have the most effect of all mechanical movements so there will always be very tiny almost daily tiny variations. The secret of owning a mechanical watch is not to get to anal about a second or so as that will start to take the pleasure out of owing one of the finest mechanical watches made today your Rolex.After test if movement is still running way out of the COSC spec then it needs simple regulation nothing more but most of these errors especially in new owners are mainly down to owner testing method error.

[ilovewatchestoo]

Originally Posted by padi56

First you cannot check any watch for accuracy the way you are doing it,when the movement is tested at the COSC,In the first 10 days of testing the movement could vary by up to 10 seconds either way in any 24 hour period and still pass the test.Now the COSC test is only for the time of testing just to say the movement had passed the AVERAGE of -4 +6 seconds over any 24 hour period nothing more.Now to test any watch for accuracy first give it a full manual wind 40 full crown turns clockwise only.Then sync your watch to a reliable time source for this test any quartz watch will do that's accurate enough.After setting watches wear yours as normal but for 8 hours plus a day.Check time once daily with same setting source write down the lose or gain do this for 7 complete days then average out the loss or gain over the 7 days for a more accurate result but remember there are 86400 seconds in a day.With the 3 series movements different resting positions when off wrist will make little or no difference perhaps a second or so difference at most.But gravity does have the most effect of all mechanical movements so there will always be very tiny almost daily tiny variations. The secret of owning a mechanical watch is not to get to anal about a second or so as that will start to take the pleasure out of owing one of the finest mechanical watches made today your Rolex.After test if movement is still running way out of the COSC spec then it needs simple regulation nothing more but most of these errors especially in new owners are mainly down to owner testing method error.

Thank you Peter. I will follow your instructions. When I test the time against the synced up Quartz setting source once daily should I test the time the same time each day? Or at different intervals (in day one check 9 hours later and day two check 14 hours later)?

[padi56]

Originally Posted by ilovewatchestoo

Thank you Peter. I will follow your instructions. When I test the time against the synced up Quartz setting source once daily should I test the time the same time each day? Or at different intervals (in day one check 9 hours later and day two check 14 hours later)?

If possible test at the same time daily but not to the exact second now if watch needs regulation although a simple process. Regulation is a watchmakers most common task and its a very very simple for any good watchmaker to do.This is accomplished by turning the Microstella adjustment screws and nuts on the balance wheel.The two smaller Microstella screws make adjustments of one second for each turn on the dial of the Microstella tool, and the larger Microstella, two seconds for one tool turn.And when making adjustments they always turn the microstella nuts equally opposite each other to keep the balance wheel in balance. And rate adjustment on the balance wheel its around a max of around 150 seconds either way.This test and adjustment should take no longer than 30 minutes and that includes the pressure check after.But if done by the RSC expect your watch to be away 2- 4 weeks.Now if you could get to a RSC they could regulate if needed while you wait.

[dera]

I'm guessing if a new piece runs 40 seconds fast, it was magnetized at some point.

[Jemspeed]

I think a batch of 3130s with improper mainsprings went through Rolex. This was a problem with my 116000 and has been the topic of a few threads. Does it run fast only if you wear it? If so, send to RSC for a new mainspring that is slightly weaker.

[Andad]

If the mainspring was too strong wouldn't that create more torque and more amplitude causing the movement to run slower?

[Andad]

Originally Posted by padi56

If possible test at the same time daily but not to the exact second now if watch needs regulation although a simple process. Regulation is a watchmakers most common task and its a very very simple for any good watchmaker to do.This is accomplished by turning the Microstella adjustment screws and nuts on the balance wheel.The two smaller Microstella screws make adjustments of one second for each turn on the dial of the Microstella tool, and the larger Microstella, two seconds for one tool turn.And when making adjustments they always turn the microstella nuts equally opposite each other to keep the balance wheel in balance. And rate adjustment on the balance wheel its around a max of around 150 seconds either way.This test and adjustment should take no longer than 30 minutes and that includes the pressure check after.But if done by the RSC expect your watch to be away 2- 4 weeks.Now if you could get to a RSC they could regulate if needed while you wait.

Hi Peter,

I have read that after servicing and correct rate setting the maximum adjustment with the microstella is around 30 to 40 seconds/24 hrs.
Have they changed the adjustment over the years?

Hope you are keeping well.

Eddie.

[Jemspeed]

Originally Posted by directioneng

If the mainspring was too strong wouldn't that create more torque and more amplitude causing the movement to run slower?

It increases the amplitude so much that the impulse pin swings all the way round and hits the outside of the balance fork. It is a condition called knocking.

[padi56]

Originally Posted by dera

I'm guessing if a new piece runs 40 seconds fast, it was magnetized at some point.

Extremely unlikely seeing according to Rolex the parachrom is non magnetic and its the hairspring that normally causes trouble if magnetised.If magnetised in general watches will run very very erratic speed up or even refuse to start because the hairspring in stuck together owing to becoming magnetised.

[padi56]

Originally Posted by directioneng

Hi Peter,

I have read that after servicing and correct rate setting the maximum adjustment with the microstella is around 30 to 40 seconds/24 hrs.
Have they changed the adjustment over the years?

Hope you are keeping well.

Eddie.

No its always been around 120- 150 seconds max adjustment either way since the 3 series,and there are 3 mainsprings that are normally available for people that might need a weaker mainspring to match there wearing habits..

[ilovewatchestoo]

Originally Posted by Jemspeed

I think a batch of 3130s with improper mainsprings went through Rolex. This was a problem with my 116000 and has been the topic of a few threads. Does it run fast only if you wear it? If so, send to RSC for a new mainspring that is slightly weaker.

No it runs fast on or off. Seems to run fast at a consistent rate.

Looking at the sweeping second hand it looks quite fast even to the eye.

[ilovewatchestoo]

I just took the watch to my local AD and the watchmaker found out that after fully winding the watch it was running not at 300 power (? Can't remember the term he used) but at 350 so that was making a Watch run really fast. They said that they wanted to send the Watch to Rolex headquarters to get serviced and fixed but I was not interested in that and feel that I should not have to get a two week old Rolex serviced and opened up so I asked for a brand-new watch which after a little discussion they agreed with.

Am I being unreasonable and should have just let them send the watch in a get fixed or do I have all right to ask for a new watch, one that doesn't require servicing as a brand-new submariner?

[Friar]

If they gave you a new watch, you did good! I believe you are well within your rights and happy you prevailed.