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Chewbacca · 15 March 2016, 12:00 PM

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Originally Posted by ecdc

While I'm waiting to see what's new at Basel, I thought I'd vent a bit. Every other "good" watch, and many inexpensive ones, coat crystals with anti-reflective material. I prefer just the underside to be coated, because topside coatings smudge and show too much dirt.

Rolex claims that its customers like the uncoated crystal's "bling." Really? Who? Let's see those gorgeous dials with fewer reflections and more contrast!

Which would you prefer?

Uncoated:

AR-coated (simulated via circular polarizer):

C'mon, Rolex. Get with the times. Coat the underside of the crystals with AR coating. And offer the option to retrofit (or coat it) at the next service interval.

Grrr!

nah. ar sucks.

FritzW · 15 March 2016, 12:03 PM

AR shows many sins. Now this is AR inside and out so I don't know if only AR on the inside would be better, but I doubt it. I'm always using the micro fiber cloth on my Breitling. No, I like the crystals the way they are W/O AR

Wingman244 · 15 March 2016, 12:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Dubarzy

Doesn't bother me at all

Great shot!

LitzDoc · 15 March 2016, 12:45 PM

Internal AR coating would be great IMO

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bobabreath · 15 March 2016, 12:53 PM

No AR for me. Inside AR does not really reduce glare much and the tint alters the true colors of the dial.

kangajack · 15 March 2016, 02:52 PM

Not a fan of AR. I have no problems with my 216570 Polar.

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Rocket_Man · 15 March 2016, 03:09 PM

Internal Yes
External No

I have a watch with an internal AR costing and it is easier to read. Isn't that the purpose of a watch after all? If they take the time to mask off the inside part of the cyclops and AR coat it, it is probably cheaper to just coat the entire inside. They are acknowledging that it makes the date easier to read that way, but think that glare is a design feature. I'd rather not have that, but I don't want it on the outside because it scratches easily.

LuminousMaximus · 15 March 2016, 03:26 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kxRX6LXDpWs

rolehex · 15 March 2016, 03:27 PM

Internal AR coating would be a nice enhancement.

joe100 · 15 March 2016, 03:40 PM

Go back to acrylic!

But seriously, internal AR would knock down some of that glare. My Sinn has double ar and there is no tint to it, I think they've got some new formulas these days. I'm sure rolex could make a clear AR. If they can make two-tone ceramic, they can make colorless AR

minute_man · 15 March 2016, 03:45 PM

Not for me. I happen to like the sapphire as it is. And 99.999% of times I can read the time just fine.

dash700 · 15 March 2016, 03:45 PM

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Originally Posted by FritzW

NO NO NO to AR crystals! I have a Breitling black dial. They are AR'd inside and out. It show's every little finger print or smudge.

I have to disagree on visibility of smudges/scratches on AR Breitling crystals. My older Colt II crystal is practically invisible despite my greasy ingerprints and the microscratches from age. Extremely sharp looking in sunlight and indoors.

That said whatever Rolex does with their modern crystal process is amazing. I've been eyeing (more like drooling over) one of sub, seadweller, or Daytona and face/dials are extremely bright indoors with almost zero glare from crystal.

Louis (Toronto) · 15 March 2016, 04:17 PM

I prefer no AR on Rolex watches. It reflects and refracts the light nicely and gives the crystal a "jewelled" effect under certain lightning which I like.

Bangel · 15 March 2016, 04:35 PM

In my opinion, AR on the underside of the crystal would be one step closer to perfection.

ronricks · 15 March 2016, 11:43 PM

I would prefer they just get the cyclops magnification sorted out. Was at the AD over the weekend and the magnification was all over the place. Two same model watches had drastically different magnification.

HogwldFLTR · 15 March 2016, 11:43 PM

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Originally Posted by FritzW

AR shows many sins. Now this is AR inside and out so I don't know if only AR on the inside would be better, but I doubt it. I'm always using the micro fiber cloth on my Breitling. No, I like the crystals the way they are W/O AR

I've got multiple watches with worn ARC; prefer not to have it. One's my SuperOcean which had minor nonuniformity. If anyone thinks some of the issues with the cyclops returns are frivolous can you imagine the returns for AR coatings wear?

Cryten · 16 March 2016, 12:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Etschell

Uncoated. I like my rolex to blind people who stare.

errol0_7 · 16 March 2016, 12:12 AM

Cant scratch what isn't there! if there are to do it keep it on the inside so my watches are as tough as they can be.

I've gone right off Omega's that I have owned once the AR coating becomes damaged - looks awful

brucewayne1959 · 16 March 2016, 12:28 AM

I don't mind it without the AR coating...

johneh · 16 March 2016, 12:35 AM

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Originally Posted by kangajack

Not a fan of AR. I have no problems with my 216570 Polar.

Light coloured dials tend to not need AR as much as dark. I prefer watches with AR applied to the inside, if it's done well the crystal basically disappears.

Not a Rolex (obviously), but this one has really well done AR:

Boaters · 16 March 2016, 12:39 AM

Underside AR would be great

GradyPhilpott · 16 March 2016, 12:50 AM

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Originally Posted by ronricks

I would prefer they just get the cyclops magnification sorted out.

I agree with this. In fact, Rolex could just forgo a new model or upgraded model this year and just fix the mag issue and I'd be sufficiently impressed.

ecdc · 16 March 2016, 03:17 AM

Underside AR coating won't smudge. It's coatings on the top that do. And good coatings won't significantly change the reflection color. All it'll do is show the dial better.

Uncoated Daytona vs. underside coated Panerai:

Simulated coated Daytona vs. Panerai:

Cheers!

breitlings · 16 March 2016, 04:51 AM

I think this is one of the updates coming in the future. Just like domed crystals. I'm certain the Daytona will have a domed crystal in the future.

jt- · 16 March 2016, 04:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Louis (Toronto)

I prefer no AR on Rolex watches. It reflects and refracts the light nicely and gives the crystal a "jewelled" effect under certain lightning which I like.

Precisely what I don't like about it, the jeweled appearance. But then I am very anti-bling and dislike most modern references for that very reason. You'd think a couple of guys from Toronto could agree eh? :)

johneh · 16 March 2016, 05:29 AM

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Originally Posted by jt-

Precisely what I don't like about it, the jeweled appearance. But then I am very anti-bling and dislike most modern references for that very reason. You'd think a couple of guys from Toronto could agree eh? :)

I agree. There, now a couple of guys from Toronto agree!

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15 March 2016, 03:40 PM	#40
joe100 2024 SubLV41 Pledge Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Real Name: Joe Location: New Mexico Watch: Explorer Posts: 12,840	Go back to acrylic! But seriously, internal AR would knock down some of that glare. My Sinn has double ar and there is no tint to it, I think they've got some new formulas these days. I'm sure rolex could make a clear AR. If they can make two-tone ceramic, they can make colorless AR __________________ It's Espresso, not Expresso. Coffee is not a train in Italy. -TRF Member 6982-

16 March 2016, 12:12 AM	#48
errol0_7 "TRF" Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: UK Watch: them come and go Posts: 689	Cant scratch what isn't there! if there are to do it keep it on the inside so my watches are as tough as they can be. I've gone right off Omega's that I have owned once the AR coating becomes damaged - looks awful __________________ John Sub 126610LV incoming GMT 126710 BLRO YM 40 126622 Rhodium IWC Portugieser Automatic 40.4mm - Pink dial

16 March 2016, 12:28 AM	#49
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15 March 2016, 12:45 PM	#34
LitzDoc "TRF" Member Join Date: Aug 2015 Location: Boston, Ma Posts: 443	Internal AR coating would be great IMO Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

15 March 2016, 12:53 PM	#35
bobabreath "TRF" Member Join Date: Jun 2014 Location: N. Carolina, USA Posts: 567	No AR for me. Inside AR does not really reduce glare much and the tint alters the true colors of the dial.

15 March 2016, 02:52 PM	#36
kangajack Banned Join Date: May 2014 Location: Minneapolis Posts: 246	Not a fan of AR. I have no problems with my 216570 Polar. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk

15 March 2016, 03:09 PM	#37
Rocket_Man "TRF" Member Join Date: Jun 2015 Location: Houston TX Posts: 1,332	Internal Yes External No I have a watch with an internal AR costing and it is easier to read. Isn't that the purpose of a watch after all? If they take the time to mask off the inside part of the cyclops and AR coat it, it is probably cheaper to just coat the entire inside. They are acknowledging that it makes the date easier to read that way, but think that glare is a design feature. I'd rather not have that, but I don't want it on the outside because it scratches easily.

15 March 2016, 03:27 PM	#39
rolehex 2024 SubLV41 Pledge Member Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: Thousand Oaks, CA Posts: 1,445	Internal AR coating would be a nice enhancement.

15 March 2016, 03:45 PM	#41
minute_man 2024 Pledge Member Join Date: Aug 2015 Real Name: Basil Location: Athens, GR Watch: BoctokKomandirskie Posts: 2,881	Not for me. I happen to like the sapphire as it is. And 99.999% of times I can read the time just fine.

15 March 2016, 04:17 PM	#43
Louis (Toronto) "TRF" Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Canada Watch: Yachtmaster & SubC Posts: 641	I prefer no AR on Rolex watches. It reflects and refracts the light nicely and gives the crystal a "jewelled" effect under certain lightning which I like.

15 March 2016, 04:35 PM	#44
Bangel "TRF" Member Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Australia Watch: 116610LN Posts: 15,802	In my opinion, AR on the underside of the crystal would be one step closer to perfection.

15 March 2016, 11:43 PM	#45
ronricks 2024 Pledge Member Join Date: Jun 2013 Location: ATL Watch: 126610LV Posts: 2,753	I would prefer they just get the cyclops magnification sorted out. Was at the AD over the weekend and the magnification was all over the place. Two same model watches had drastically different magnification.

16 March 2016, 12:39 AM	#51
Boaters 2024 Pledge Member Join Date: May 2015 Real Name: Mike Location: Pacific Northwest Watch: 116610LV 16710 SD Posts: 10,653	Underside AR would be great

16 March 2016, 03:17 AM	#53
ecdc "TRF" Member Join Date: Sep 2015 Location: US Posts: 502	Underside AR coating won't smudge. It's coatings on the top that do. And good coatings won't significantly change the reflection color. All it'll do is show the dial better. Uncoated Daytona vs. underside coated Panerai: Simulated coated Daytona vs. Panerai: Cheers!

16 March 2016, 04:51 AM	#54
breitlings Banned Join Date: Jul 2014 Location: Bethesda Watch: Apple TV Posts: 5,744	I think this is one of the updates coming in the future. Just like domed crystals. I'm certain the Daytona will have a domed crystal in the future.

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