So when will the Submariner get 3235 movement?

[rossi46]

One thing that's not being discussed nearly as much as the Seadweller's new look is the fact that it's getting the new 3235 movement. When will the Submariner (Date and 114060) get the new movement?

2018?

[bobabreath]

Hopefully not too far in the future. If they bring the new movement and slimmer lugs to the next Sub, I am definitely getting one!

[lhawli]

I'd be surprised if they can fit this new movement without upping the size to 41mm?

Could this be the end of the 40mm sub?


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[padi56]

Originally Posted by rossi46

One thing that's not being discussed nearly as much as the Seadweller's new look is the fact that it's getting the new 3235 movement. When will the Submariner (Date and 114060) get the new movement?

2018?

IMHO the only thing that may be better in the cal 3235 over 3135 is the ball bearing winding rotor and perhaps the extra few hours of power-reserve by using a thinner walled spring-barrel.Would doubt if its going to any more accurate or reliable, as the rest of the Rolex movements, as how its regulated is one of the main factors of any movement.

[outtatime]

Originally Posted by padi56

IMHO the only thing that may be better in the cal 3235 over 3135 is the ball bearing winding rotor and perhaps the extra few hours of power-reserve by using a thinner walled spring-barrel.Would doubt if its going to any more accurate or reliable, as the rest of the Rolex movements, as how its regulated is one of the main factors of any movement.

What about the magnetic resistance? IMO that's been one of the key things driving me to the Master Co-Axial stuff from Omega over Rolex lately.

[Etschell]

when they finally bust out a platinum sub imo.

[Rolex addict]

Originally Posted by Etschell

when they finally bust out a platinum sub imo.

I hope it's not 41mm. Either way, my collection will be consolidated if it ever comes out. Between the Platona, Smurf, and platinum sub, the others would rarely see wrist time. The question is, which ones will go?

[Squarepeg]

Originally Posted by rossi46

One thing that's not being discussed nearly as much as the Seadweller's new look is the fact that it's getting the new 3235 movement. When will the Submariner (Date and 114060) get the new movement?



2018?

Next Baselworld in my opinion. Rolex need to upgrade the movement now the Tudor Black Bay has an in house movement which many regard as superior that in the current Sub.


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[Etschell]

Originally Posted by Rolex addict

I hope it's not 41mm. Either way, my collection will be consolidated if it ever comes out. Between the Platona, Smurf, and platinum sub, the others would rarely see wrist time. The question is, which ones will go?

i hope not too. i would say the smurf would go along with something else plus cash. id keep the platona.

debating right now on a different path than gold myself (for now).

dj2, hulk, skydweller ss white. dont think i need another dive watch but the hulk dial is amazing.

[padi56]

Originally Posted by outtatime

What about the magnetic resistance? IMO that's been one of the key things driving me to the Master Co-Axial stuff from Omega over Rolex lately.

Today the Swiss standard test to be called anti-magnetic watches which most all Swiss watches are, they have to pass a test including all Rolex.This is to withstand a strong magnetic field of 4800 Amps per meter,and to keeps on running with a maximum deviation of 15- 30 seconds per day.Now this test I am 100% sure that 95% of all watch wearers would never subject or come into contact with such a strong magnetic field.Now all Rolex watches are made mainly from S.steel or precious metals and in conjunction with nickel, brass or beryllium, bronze or Glucydur balance wheels so they are very anti-magnetic to begin not sure if the screws used are ferrous metal.Sure the old Nivourax hairsprings used before the parachrom were very very very slightly magnetic but you would have to come in contact with a strong magnetic field to fully magnetised, according to Rolex the parachrom ones are not magnetic.Although there are other things in movement that could get magnetised. IMHO magnetised is often used as a cop out for just simple regulation, but to de-magnetise any watch is a very very simple process you could even DIY at home its not rocket science.

[Rolex addict]

Originally Posted by Etschell

i hope not too. i would say the smurf would go along with something else plus cash. id keep the platona.

debating right now on a different path than gold myself (for now).

dj2, hulk, skydweller ss white. dont think i need another dive watch but the hulk dial is amazing.

Nah, the Smurf is a keeper. So is the Hulk. I love the color!! Can't get rid of the AP, either. That is also a really cool watch. OK, I have a problem.

[Z3ke]

sub will def need the 3235 or something akin to it, longer power reserve and I believe stands up to shock more... especially for a dive watch. def getting the new dj 41 blue dial though!


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[904VT]

Not anytime soon IMO, because the GMT Master is due for an upgrade before the Sub line and the Subs sell very well in their own right. The SS models were 2010, so 10-15 years min i.e. 2020-2015 I'm thinking. PM models may come a few years in advance

I do like the increased power reserve of the 3235, but as mentioned I do think the 3135 is a pretty awesome movement in its own right. Especially considering how well honed Rolex has it at this stage in it life cycle

[NSmalls]

Originally Posted by 904VT

Not anytime soon IMO, because the GMT Master is due for an upgrade before the Sub line and the Subs sell very well in their own right. The SS models were 2010, so 10-15 years min i.e. 2020-2015 I'm thinking. PM models may come a few years in advance

I do like the increased power reserve of the 3235, but as mentioned I do think the 3135 is a pretty awesome movement in its own right. Especially considering how well honed Rolex has it at this stage in it life cycle

I just bought a sub and was about to say that I'd be pissed if they put the new movement in it right away. But, you make quite an excellent point. I'd rather have a movement that is very refined than have to worry about any kind of growing pains of a new one.

[904VT]

Originally Posted by NSmalls

I just bought a sub and was about to say that I'd be pissed if they put the new movement in it right away. But, you make quite an excellent point. I'd rather have a movement that is very refined than have to worry about any kind of growing pains of a new one.

Yes, the 3135 is quite impressive and I think what we have now in hindsight is the best/most up to date iteration of it we may receive from Rolex. I wouldn't be as worried about 3235 as I am with my new Land Rover purchases though

I think the 3225 will be just fine too with reliability, as almost any Rolex calibre

[yannis]

it could be getting in new watches probably during current model's production. Same happened with the phasing out of movements before, including 16710's replacement of 3185 with 3186 at the end of production while the 116710 was being released. So a guess would be that 3135 production will cease at some point (don't know if it already has) and 3235 will be introduced to new 116610s without any warning once 3135 movements are out of stock.

[Maiden]

My previous 3100 movements kept time as good as my two modern subs. They also handled all the rigors of day to day. My two modern subs have performed flawlessly. My sub c is running about +6 seconds a month! I have never heard of a modern sub being magnatized?
I think having the newest modern movement would be cool, but unless I need to set my watch down for 70 hours and have it running when I pick it up, I personally see no need to have the 3235. Would it be nice, sure, critical or preferable, not even close for me.

[rossi46]

Originally Posted by lhawli

I'd be surprised if they can fit this new movement without upping the size to 41mm?

Why would they have to up the size? The movement fits in the DD40 and DJ41, which is actually smaller than 40mm wide.

[rossi46]

Originally Posted by padi56

IMHO the only thing that may be better in the cal 3235 over 3135 is the ball bearing winding rotor and perhaps the extra few hours of power-reserve...

I think we have different definitions of the word "few."

You don't think going from 48 to 70 is significant?

[lhawli]

Originally Posted by rossi46

Why would they have to up the size? The movement fits in the DD40 and DJ41, which is actually smaller than 40mm wide.

I was corrected in a previous post where I made the wrong assumption that the 3235 needed more space inside the watch.



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[padi56]

Originally Posted by rossi46

I think we have different definitions of the word "few."

You don't think going from 48 to 70 is significant?

Well power reserve would be way down my list of improvements with so many today using mechanical winders even with watches like the Daytona that has 72.Yes 70 hours is quite good but to do that they had to make the spring barrel very very thin.And IMHO 48 hours power-reserve is perfectly adequate for any watch,if it stops just wind it,same would apply to the 3235 even if it has 70 hours PR.

[Boothroyd]

Peter, always appreciate your insight on movements. So thin spring barrel in 3235...do you think this introduces a reliability issue over the traditional Rolex movements?

[peterskinner]

I have had the Sub with 31.. movement, and the Day Date with 32..I could not tell any difference in precision. Both excellent. Overall, I think I marginally prefer the older movement because it is so well developed and tested by life.
I certainly wouldn't,t see the 32.. as a reason to change watches.

[GreenLantern]

Originally Posted by lhawli

I'd be surprised if they can fit this new movement without upping the size to 41mm?

Could this be the end of the 40mm sub?


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Why? The movement is the same size as previous.

[outtatime]

The 48vs 70 hour reserve is big IMO. It's the difference between taking the watch off after work on Friday and finding it stopped when you leave on Monday morning vs still going strong.

[lhawli]

Originally Posted by outtatime

The 48vs 70 hour reserve is big IMO. It's the difference between taking the watch off after work on Friday and finding it stopped when you leave on Monday morning vs still going strong.

Or you can just buy a winder...


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[kopykopy]

Originally Posted by lhawli

Or you can just buy a winder...


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Or you can just wind your watch ....

[Glidelock]

When it's announced at Basel! If I were Rolex I wouldn't rush it either....as they have all the time (see what I did) in the world to roll out!

[helson]

As long as the rotor is quiet like Rolex and not loud like Tudor.

[Nikrnic]

I can see the GMTII getting the 3235 and possibly the Sub w/date. My question; Would the No Date Sub being one less complication get it ? Therefore i guess it would be a 3230 ?