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ingoodtime · 14 September 2008, 12:44 PM

Hi all,
I am new to the world of Rolex as I just purchased a pre owned 2004 Submariner with the slate serti dial. I purchased it from a reputable Jeweler. My question is, this watch has a date with no magnifier on the crystal. The watch is in pristine condition. Did Rolex ever sell the sub without the date magnifier or would this be a replacement crystal?

mfer · 14 September 2008, 12:59 PM

They could have take it off the crystal. They are just glued on.

ttannert · 14 September 2008, 01:11 PM

Please post a pic.

Letsgodiving · 14 September 2008, 01:23 PM

Rolex never sold this watch without the cyclops/magnifier. It may have been removed but I'm surprised a reputable jeweler wouldn't mention this. Please post some pics if you can.

ingoodtime · 14 September 2008, 02:21 PM

Here are the pictures you requested.

ingoodtime · 14 September 2008, 02:26 PM

Here are the pictures. BTW, the watch came with the Rolex two year warranty ceretificate with the name and address of the original purchaser, date, serial and model numbers and all original packaging. I attempted to turn the bezel and it did not turn easily, I did not want to force it. The salesman said, maybe it does not on this model. I did go to another store later as my inlaw wanted to see if he could find the same model pre owned. They looked at it and the bezel did turn, just with some resistance. They are authorized dealers and did not think this was a fake.

OK. Here are the pictures. BTW, the watch came with the Rolex two year warranty ceretificate with the name and address of the original purchaser, date, serial and model numbers and all original packaging. I attempted to turn the bezel and it did not turn easily, I did not want to force it. The salesman said, maybe it does not on this model. I did go to another store later as my inlaw wanted to see if he could find the same model pre owned. They looked at it and the bezel did turn, just with some resistance. They are authorized dealers and did not think this was a fake.

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Z-Sub · 14 September 2008, 02:33 PM

Great looking watch.
You can send it to Rolex and ask for service estimate. If they give you one, it's a real one with the cyclop removed. Otherwise they will not service a non genuine article.
But, they may also deny it since it has been altered, I don't know for sure.

HYDROMAROC · 14 September 2008, 02:57 PM

Just a side question... Anyone know the Karat weight of the gems on the dial...???

ingoodtime · 14 September 2008, 03:10 PM

I am going to Mayor Jewelers tomorrow. My wife and inlaws bought their Rolexes there. I will have them check this puppy out and see what they say. I do like the crystal without the cyclops. It reminds me of the Sea Dweller. I am not a big fan of the big cyclops on any watch but know it is almost a trademark of Rolex!

I found this thread about removing the cyclops or replacing the crystal. I don't know which route was taken on my watch, only that I happen to like it the way it is. Thanks for your repsonses!

Z-Sub · 14 September 2008, 03:40 PM

The rest of the watch look great. Do you like your bracelet that tight?
I also like the ones without cyclop. Just a nice variation to have.

swatty · 14 September 2008, 03:46 PM

Great looking Sub

Trurolexer · 14 September 2008, 04:37 PM

Look so nice. Even without the cyclop.

ingoodtime · 14 September 2008, 11:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Trurolexer

Look so nice. Even without the cyclop.

Thank you very much (to all of you for your help and responses). I'll enjoy being a member here with so many nice people. Guess I really have joined the Rolex family!

SLS · 14 September 2008, 11:26 PM

The date window color looks off to me, maybe its just the pics. Interesting that a jewler would sell it without the cyclops.
~Scott

Some Pair · 14 September 2008, 11:39 PM

Beautiful piece!
There are a few mentors on TRF who will know the answer for sure.
Findind a Store with someone really in the know seems to be a chore in our area of the State. Atleast it was for me on getting details on the vintage Sub I had.
Just give it a little time for one of them to respond.

stevemulholland3 · 15 September 2008, 12:07 AM

looks fine to me-cyclops removed-it will more than likely need a full service.
the bezel needs to be removed and cleaned,what part of FLORIDA are you in?

MrCowboy99 · 15 September 2008, 12:09 AM

looks good. I kinda like the no cyclops on top of the serti dial.

ingoodtime · 15 September 2008, 10:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by stevemulholland3

looks fine to me-cyclops removed-it will more than likely need a full service.
the bezel needs to be removed and cleaned,what part of FLORIDA are you in?

SE Florida. Store told me they serviced it but I'll bet that is BS. Anyway, they gave me atwo year warranty. I was at a Mayors Jewlery store today and the salesman really liked the watch, said it was his favorite Rolex. Made me feel good. I am very happy that I bought it and will be even happier when it is paid off!

BTW, it is keeping excellent time.

GMTJOHNNY · 15 September 2008, 11:54 AM

It looks like a steel dial with gems.
Why is it called "serti"?

There - I finally asked that question that has bothered me but I keep forgetting to ask it!

ingoodtime · 15 September 2008, 12:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GMTJOHNNY

It looks like a steel dial with gems.
Why is it called "serti"?

There - I finally asked that question that has bothered me but I keep forgetting to ask it!

The watch is available with eithe a champagne dial or the slate dial. As for what SERTI means, good question.

Letsgodiving · 15 September 2008, 12:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GMTJOHNNY

It looks like a steel dial with gems.
Why is it called "serti"?

There - I finally asked that question that has bothered me but I keep forgetting to ask it!

Quote:

Originally Posted by ingoodtime

The watch is available with eithe a champagne dial or the slate dial. As for what SERTI means, good question.

Serti is French for set stones. Referring to the gems.

BmwA5H · 15 September 2008, 07:08 PM

That Serti Dial is Really Lovely Really x5 lovely

DSJ · 16 September 2008, 01:31 AM

Nice watch, I like the sans-cyclops look on that dial. Date wheel color appears correct for a 16613. I agree that the bezel needs to be serviced.

ingoodtime · 16 September 2008, 10:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Letsgodiving

Serti is French for set stones. Referring to the gems.

Thank you for that information. Makes sense now.

ingoodtime · 16 September 2008, 11:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DSJ

Nice watch, I like the sans-cyclops look on that dial. Date wheel color appears correct for a 16613. I agree that the bezel needs to be serviced.

The store told me the watch was serviced. But, I can tell you the Bezel does not turn easily. Since I have a two year warranty, I am going to go back to the store. They claim their watchmaker is Rolex certified but they are not a Rolex Distributor. I bought it here. www.bevjewelers.com in person, not on the web. What do they do on a bezel service?

pilfilr · 16 September 2008, 11:49 AM

A favorite of mine!! Very smart choice! My current main wear is my Deepsea... But, the Serti sub is my usual wear. I never see another being worn. Sometimes I think it is too much for a "poor, but honest" businessman. And then again, "WHat the hell". Most of my customers are retired millionairs in gated communities... Enjoy!

ingoodtime · 16 September 2008, 12:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pilfilr

A favorite of mine!! Very smart choice! My current main wear is my Deepsea... But, the Serti sub is my usual wear. I never see another being worn. Sometimes I think it is too much for a "poor, but honest" businessman. And then again, "WHat the hell". Most of my customers are retired millionairs in gated communities... Enjoy!

I have not seen one worn either. I am not sure how popular the Serti two tone is. I think them more rare also. They may be to dressy for some and possibly, not enough for others. The rich retired millionaires may have the solid gold version/diamonds! I am very please just owning such a nice watch. Now, my old Breitling Top Time and new Super Ocean XP plus have company... a new cousin!

enigma-2 · 3 October 2008, 02:28 AM

(Newbie) I'm not that familure with the Submariner (never owned or even held one).

The minute hand looks a little short; is it typical for the minute hand NOT to come all the way out to the outer border of the dial on a Submariner? I was under the impression that the minute hand on any Rolex, will come within a couple of millimeters of the outer dial edge.

14 September 2008, 12:44 PM	#1
ingoodtime "TRF" Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: USA Posts: 2,834	Question about TT submariner serti dial Hi all, I am new to the world of Rolex as I just purchased a pre owned 2004 Submariner with the slate serti dial. I purchased it from a reputable Jeweler. My question is, this watch has a date with no magnifier on the crystal. The watch is in pristine condition. Did Rolex ever sell the sub without the date magnifier or would this be a replacement crystal?

14 September 2008, 12:59 PM	#2
mfer "TRF" Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Real Name: Mik Location: USA Posts: 13,724	They could have take it off the crystal. They are just glued on. __________________ member#3242

14 September 2008, 01:11 PM	#3
ttannert "TRF" Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Real Name: Tim Location: Ohio Watch: SS Black Daytona Posts: 872	Please post a pic. __________________ The greatest luxury in life is time; treasure every second. __________________ My Collection: SS Rolex M Black Daytona SS Rolex V Black Milgauss GV SS Rolex M Black Milgauss TT Rolex Z White MOP Datejust SS Rolex M Coke GMT II SS Tag Heuer Black Kirium Chronometer

14 September 2008, 01:23 PM	#4
Letsgodiving "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Real Name: Mike Location: Virginia, US Watch: SD 16600 Posts: 4,319	Rolex never sold this watch without the cyclops/magnifier. It may have been removed but I'm surprised a reputable jeweler wouldn't mention this. Please post some pics if you can. __________________ The fool, with all his other faults, has this also - he is always getting ready to live. - Epicurus (341–270 BC)

14 September 2008, 02:21 PM	#5
ingoodtime "TRF" Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: USA Posts: 2,834	Here are the pictures you requested. Last edited by Lol-x; 14 September 2008 at 02:36 PM.. Reason: fixed photos

14 September 2008, 02:26 PM	#6
ingoodtime "TRF" Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: USA Posts: 2,834	Here are the pictures. BTW, the watch came with the Rolex two year warranty ceretificate with the name and address of the original purchaser, date, serial and model numbers and all original packaging. I attempted to turn the bezel and it did not turn easily, I did not want to force it. The salesman said, maybe it does not on this model. I did go to another store later as my inlaw wanted to see if he could find the same model pre owned. They looked at it and the bezel did turn, just with some resistance. They are authorized dealers and did not think this was a fake. OK. Here are the pictures. BTW, the watch came with the Rolex two year warranty ceretificate with the name and address of the original purchaser, date, serial and model numbers and all original packaging. I attempted to turn the bezel and it did not turn easily, I did not want to force it. The salesman said, maybe it does not on this model. I did go to another store later as my inlaw wanted to see if he could find the same model pre owned. They looked at it and the bezel did turn, just with some resistance. They are authorized dealers and did not think this was a fake. http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/b...tidial_002.jpg http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/b...tidial_003.jpg http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/b...tidial_004.jpg http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/b...tidial_005.jpg Last edited by ingoodtime; 14 September 2008 at 02:29 PM.. Reason: add pictures

14 September 2008, 02:33 PM	#7
Z-Sub 2024 Pledge Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: So Cal, USA Watch: Not a ONEWatch Man Posts: 7,383	Great looking watch. You can send it to Rolex and ask for service estimate. If they give you one, it's a real one with the cyclop removed. Otherwise they will not service a non genuine article. But, they may also deny it since it has been altered, I don't know for sure. __________________ SS Submariner Date "Z" SS SeaDweller "D" SS Submariner "Random" TT Blue Submariner "P" SS GMT-Master ll "M", Pepsi Pam 311, 524, 297

14 September 2008, 02:57 PM	#8
HYDROMAROC "TRF" Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: SAN DIEGO, CA USA Watch: me pass... Posts: 1,111	Just a side question... Anyone know the Karat weight of the gems on the dial...???

14 September 2008, 03:10 PM	#9
ingoodtime "TRF" Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: USA Posts: 2,834	I am going to Mayor Jewelers tomorrow. My wife and inlaws bought their Rolexes there. I will have them check this puppy out and see what they say. I do like the crystal without the cyclops. It reminds me of the Sea Dweller. I am not a big fan of the big cyclops on any watch but know it is almost a trademark of Rolex! I found this thread about removing the cyclops or replacing the crystal. I don't know which route was taken on my watch, only that I happen to like it the way it is. Thanks for your repsonses!

14 September 2008, 03:40 PM	#10
Z-Sub 2024 Pledge Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: So Cal, USA Watch: Not a ONEWatch Man Posts: 7,383	The rest of the watch look great. Do you like your bracelet that tight? I also like the ones without cyclop. Just a nice variation to have. __________________ SS Submariner Date "Z" SS SeaDweller "D" SS Submariner "Random" TT Blue Submariner "P" SS GMT-Master ll "M", Pepsi Pam 311, 524, 297

14 September 2008, 03:46 PM	#11
swatty 2024 SubLV41 Pledge Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Real Name: Peter Location: Sydney Watch: The Game Posts: 17,415	Great looking Sub

14 September 2008, 04:37 PM	#12
Trurolexer Banned Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: USA Watch: 5513MaxiI+PreComex Posts: 18,421	Look so nice. Even without the cyclop.

14 September 2008, 11:26 PM	#14
SLS "TRF" Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Real Name: Scott Location: GMT -7 Watch: GMT's & Sub's Posts: 10,401	The date window color looks off to me, maybe its just the pics. Interesting that a jewler would sell it without the cyclops. ~Scott

14 September 2008, 11:39 PM	#15
Some Pair Member Join Date: Aug 2008 Real Name: Rick Location: seFl.byWayOfBklyn Watch: The Rollie's..... Posts: 609	Beautiful piece! There are a few mentors on TRF who will know the answer for sure. Findind a Store with someone really in the know seems to be a chore in our area of the State. Atleast it was for me on getting details on the vintage Sub I had. Just give it a little time for one of them to respond.

15 September 2008, 12:07 AM	#16
stevemulholland3 Banned Join Date: Dec 2007 Real Name: steven Location: tampa bay Watch: 1680 18k sub Posts: 6,672	looks fine to me-cyclops removed-it will more than likely need a full service. the bezel needs to be removed and cleaned,what part of FLORIDA are you in?

15 September 2008, 12:09 AM	#17
MrCowboy99 "TRF" Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Real Name: Mac Location: Dallas, Texas Posts: 1,367	looks good. I kinda like the no cyclops on top of the serti dial.

15 September 2008, 11:54 AM	#19
GMTJOHNNY "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Real Name: John Location: LONG ISLAND, NY Watch: 2007 DAY DATE 18KT Posts: 1,378	What is "serti dial" ? It looks like a steel dial with gems. Why is it called "serti"? There - I finally asked that question that has bothered me but I keep forgetting to ask it! __________________ ROLEX DAY DATE 118238 (2007) ROLEX DAY DATE 18238 (1997) ROLEX GMT 16750 PEPSI (1987) ROLEX AIR KING 14000 (1991) ROLEX GMTIIC TT 116713LN (2008)

15 September 2008, 07:08 PM	#22
BmwA5H "TRF" Member Join Date: May 2008 Location: United Kingdom Watch: Rolex 16618 Posts: 704	That Serti Dial is Really Lovely Really x5 lovely

16 September 2008, 01:31 AM	#23
DSJ "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Real Name: David Location: USA Watch: your step! Posts: 7,882	Nice watch, I like the sans-cyclops look on that dial. Date wheel color appears correct for a 16613. I agree that the bezel needs to be serviced. __________________ Rolex. The Rolex of watches. 16570 Expy2 Noir, 116710 GMT Master II, 2552.80 SMP

16 September 2008, 11:49 AM	#26
pilfilr "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Real Name: Mark Location: Florida Posts: 138	A favorite of mine!! Very smart choice! My current main wear is my Deepsea... But, the Serti sub is my usual wear. I never see another being worn. Sometimes I think it is too much for a "poor, but honest" businessman. And then again, "WHat the hell". Most of my customers are retired millionairs in gated communities... Enjoy! __________________ Just keep the wings level...I'll be right back! DEEPSEA "M", TT SUB Serti Champagne "F", GMT II "COKE" "F" (currently wearing a Pepsi), TT DJ CHAMPAGNE BATTON "P", TT BREITLING CROSSWIND, SS Ceramic Sub (Black), Panerai 288 Radiomir.

3 October 2008, 02:28 AM	#28
enigma-2 Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Real Name: Dennis Location: Indiana Watch: Rolex DJ,Tudor DD Posts: 20	(Newbie) I'm not that familure with the Submariner (never owned or even held one). The minute hand looks a little short; is it typical for the minute hand NOT to come all the way out to the outer border of the dial on a Submariner? I was under the impression that the minute hand on any Rolex, will come within a couple of millimeters of the outer dial edge.

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