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richelieu · 3 January 2018, 01:16 PM

Hi,

I came across 1998 issue of the Explorer ii. I dont have any Rolex yet and was considering Explorer 1 214270. However, this pre-owned piece is in good condition, is sold by an AD, was serviced by them and AD gives additional 2 yrs warranty. The case has normal wear, some of the numbers on the bezel are losing paint and bracelet is missing extra links so I have to buy them or put on nato/leather. I should also mention that box and papers are included.

Please share your opinion regarding buying 20yr old Rolex vs new or under 5 year old. The price is competitive, so not sure if there are any gotchas I don't know about or AD wants to get it out. This watch was at the store for at least 6 months now.

If you can share price that you believe this should be at, it would help as well. I already checked eBay and chrono24

Thank you

joe100 · 3 January 2018, 01:25 PM

First welcome aboard, you’ll like it here.

Secondly, please just tell us the asking price, let us start there. The more information we have the better. Let us judge if it’s competitivd, don’t make us guess.

Also, if you have photos, please post them. Unless you’re good at spotting poor polishing jobs and other dodgy attributes of course.

Help us help you.

A 20yo rolex can be a wonderful companion!

richelieu · 3 January 2018, 01:38 PM

Price is about 4K

richelieu · 3 January 2018, 01:52 PM

Whats the best way to post foto? Link to my dropbox is not working

https://www.dropbox.com/s/r2sykedqw1..._0103.JPG?dl=0

joe100 · 3 January 2018, 02:02 PM

Photos aren’t showing sadly.

Gotta ask, Richelieu as in the Cardinal or the WW2 era French battleship?

vladamir15 · 3 January 2018, 02:08 PM

In my opinion go with something new or something under 5 years old, that way you have peace of mind and hopefully wont have to spend money on unexpected repairs. If you think you’re not ready to buy new or slightly used, then just take your time and wait. Don’t get something just because its closer to your grasp. Wait and get the watch you want.

richelieu · 3 January 2018, 02:09 PM

cardinal... I have a thing for Duma's 3 musketeers ;) ... plus related to my hometown where his grand grandson was a governor
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armand...c_de_Richelieu

joe100 · 3 January 2018, 02:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by richelieu

cardinal... I have a thing for Duma's 3 musketeers ;) ... plus related to my hometown where his grand grandson was a governor
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armand...c_de_Richelieu

Excellent.

I was referring to the French monster named after him. One of the last battleships built and one of the finest.

Anyway, back on topic. Ha!

Uhtred59 · 3 January 2018, 02:19 PM

4 guns per turret, wow. Anyway op, have you looked in the classified section here to get an idea on prices?

richelieu · 3 January 2018, 02:19 PM

Valid point. The price diff between explorer 2 form 1998 and explorer 1 from 2016 is about 2k which is not that big given that the watch will be almost new. Unfortunately, there is no Explorer 1 to be found in NYC ;) so waiting patiently. I never considered exp 2 due to its size but ref 16570 looks right and has the complication that I wanted. In fact, I went to that store to look at GS SBGM221

Uhtred59 · 3 January 2018, 02:24 PM

More to your point, my old gmt (now with son) is 32 years old and looks/works fine.

77T · 3 January 2018, 02:32 PM

I grabbed a screenshot of your Dropbox file just for the discussion.

On the question, the price reflects the market price if you trust the seller’s shop to be there for you should anything go wrong over the next 2 years. I’d pick that one over an Expl. I if you value the complication on the Expl. II.

richelieu · 3 January 2018, 02:48 PM

@77T not sure if I trust the shop. They are AD, so I assume everything MUST be legit. The sales guy was nice... however I expected him to know more about what he sells. I am a bit surprised at the price and the fact that I have seen this watch in that store for a few months now. I never bought a pre-owned watch before and need advice on what to look for.

I do value GMT, but also enjoy the simplicity of Explorer 1 214270.

77T · 3 January 2018, 03:15 PM

As for the AD, you should get everything about their warranty in writing especially if you don’t already have a trusting bond with the owner.

On the price, what surprised you about it?

The only trade off I see with this particular one is tritium dial & hands. If you want a dial and hands that glow, then consider the Luminova dial that came in the A serial numbered ones starting in 1999.

Sent from my iPhoneX using Tapatalk

No SUBctitute · 4 January 2018, 01:44 PM

Add $2K to your budget and buy a 216570. Less bracelet stretch, newer watch.

3 January 2018, 01:16 PM	#1
richelieu "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2018 Location: NYC Posts: 22	Need advice on Explorer II 16570 (1998) Hi, I came across 1998 issue of the Explorer ii. I dont have any Rolex yet and was considering Explorer 1 214270. However, this pre-owned piece is in good condition, is sold by an AD, was serviced by them and AD gives additional 2 yrs warranty. The case has normal wear, some of the numbers on the bezel are losing paint and bracelet is missing extra links so I have to buy them or put on nato/leather. I should also mention that box and papers are included. Please share your opinion regarding buying 20yr old Rolex vs new or under 5 year old. The price is competitive, so not sure if there are any gotchas I don't know about or AD wants to get it out. This watch was at the store for at least 6 months now. If you can share price that you believe this should be at, it would help as well. I already checked eBay and chrono24 Thank you

3 January 2018, 01:25 PM	#2
joe100 2024 SubLV41 Pledge Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Real Name: Joe Location: New Mexico Watch: Explorer Posts: 12,838	First welcome aboard, you’ll like it here. Secondly, please just tell us the asking price, let us start there. The more information we have the better. Let us judge if it’s competitivd, don’t make us guess. Also, if you have photos, please post them. Unless you’re good at spotting poor polishing jobs and other dodgy attributes of course. Help us help you. A 20yo rolex can be a wonderful companion! __________________ It's Espresso, not Expresso. Coffee is not a train in Italy. -TRF Member 6982-

3 January 2018, 01:38 PM	#3
richelieu "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2018 Location: NYC Posts: 22	Price is about 4K Last edited by richelieu; 3 January 2018 at 01:52 PM.. Reason: adding pic

3 January 2018, 02:02 PM	#5
joe100 2024 SubLV41 Pledge Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Real Name: Joe Location: New Mexico Watch: Explorer Posts: 12,838	Photos aren’t showing sadly. Gotta ask, Richelieu as in the Cardinal or the WW2 era French battleship? __________________ It's Espresso, not Expresso. Coffee is not a train in Italy. -TRF Member 6982-

3 January 2018, 02:08 PM	#6
vladamir15 "TRF" Member Join Date: Feb 2016 Location: N/A Watch: AP, VC, Breguet Posts: 1,581	In my opinion go with something new or something under 5 years old, that way you have peace of mind and hopefully wont have to spend money on unexpected repairs. If you think you’re not ready to buy new or slightly used, then just take your time and wait. Don’t get something just because its closer to your grasp. Wait and get the watch you want. __________________ The Most Valuable Commodity is Time Audemars, Vacheron, Breguet, Jaquet Droz, JLC, Rolex, Omega, Cartier

3 January 2018, 01:52 PM	#4
richelieu "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2018 Location: NYC Posts: 22	Whats the best way to post foto? Link to my dropbox is not working https://www.dropbox.com/s/r2sykedqw1..._0103.JPG?dl=0

3 January 2018, 02:09 PM	#7
richelieu "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2018 Location: NYC Posts: 22	cardinal... I have a thing for Duma's 3 musketeers ;) ... plus related to my hometown where his grand grandson was a governor https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armand...c_de_Richelieu

3 January 2018, 02:19 PM	#9
Uhtred59 "TRF" Member Join Date: Jun 2017 Real Name: Ken Location: Europa Watch: 216570 Posts: 693	4 guns per turret, wow. Anyway op, have you looked in the classified section here to get an idea on prices? __________________ "My center is yielding, my right is retreating. Excellent situation, I am attacking" Ferdinand Foch

3 January 2018, 02:24 PM	#11
Uhtred59 "TRF" Member Join Date: Jun 2017 Real Name: Ken Location: Europa Watch: 216570 Posts: 693	More to your point, my old gmt (now with son) is 32 years old and looks/works fine. __________________ "My center is yielding, my right is retreating. Excellent situation, I am attacking" Ferdinand Foch

3 January 2018, 02:32 PM	#12
77T 2024 SubLV41 Pledge Member Join Date: Dec 2010 Real Name: PaulG Location: Georgia Posts: 41,959	I grabbed a screenshot of your Dropbox file just for the discussion. On the question, the price reflects the market price if you trust the seller’s shop to be there for you should anything go wrong over the next 2 years. I’d pick that one over an Expl. I if you value the complication on the Expl. II. __________________ Does anyone really know what time it is?

3 January 2018, 02:48 PM	#13
richelieu "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2018 Location: NYC Posts: 22	@77T not sure if I trust the shop. They are AD, so I assume everything MUST be legit. The sales guy was nice... however I expected him to know more about what he sells. I am a bit surprised at the price and the fact that I have seen this watch in that store for a few months now. I never bought a pre-owned watch before and need advice on what to look for. I do value GMT, but also enjoy the simplicity of Explorer 1 214270.

3 January 2018, 03:15 PM	#14
77T 2024 SubLV41 Pledge Member Join Date: Dec 2010 Real Name: PaulG Location: Georgia Posts: 41,959	As for the AD, you should get everything about their warranty in writing especially if you don’t already have a trusting bond with the owner. On the price, what surprised you about it? The only trade off I see with this particular one is tritium dial & hands. If you want a dial and hands that glow, then consider the Luminova dial that came in the A serial numbered ones starting in 1999. Sent from my iPhoneX using Tapatalk __________________ Does anyone really know what time it is?

4 January 2018, 01:44 PM	#15
No SUBctitute "TRF" Member Join Date: Jun 2012 Location: USA Posts: 2,809	Add $2K to your budget and buy a 216570. Less bracelet stretch, newer watch.

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