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springer · 26 August 2017, 10:38 AM

I've had a couple guys ask me to look at this ebay watch being sold by awadwatches in Miami. I have no idea who they are but the watch has a "cobbled together" set of accessories. If this doesn't bother you, then disregard this thread.

The watch was sold in Spain. It has a USA Bufkor box, wrong booklets (some are stamped USA) an Oyster perpetual hang tag which should be GMT embossed and a Datejust style Jubilee bracelet not a GMT Jubilee.

If you are looking for a GMT 16750 set, I would think one would expect the accessories to be correct - some in this listing are not.

The asking price is $13,595. Here is the link:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Vintage-Role...MAAOSwZs5Zkmwj

joli160 · 28 August 2017, 04:12 AM

Thanks for pointing this out

henrylee · 28 August 2017, 04:29 AM

Thanks JP, I was actually looking at this watch.

Bob the brush · 28 August 2017, 09:38 PM

The lengths people will go to to fool others, or perhaps the seller was sold duff stuff! Caveat emptor!

Swiss Mad! · 29 August 2017, 12:22 AM

Walk away....quickly!

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frankoman · 23 September 2017, 04:02 PM

[QUOTE=springer;7859368]I've had a couple guys ask me to look at this ebay watch being sold by awadwatches in Miami. I have no idea who they are but the watch has a "cobbled together" set of accessories. If this doesn't bother you, then disregard this thread.

The watch was sold in Spain. It has a USA Bufkor box, wrong booklets (some are stamped USA) an Oyster perpetual hang tag which should be GMT embossed and a Datejust style Jubilee bracelet not a GMT Jubilee.

If you are looking for a GMT 16750 set, I would think one would expect the accessories to be correct - some in this listing are not.

The asking price is $13,595.

You Live and Learn, I had purchased this watch not picking up on the red flags in the accessories. I have learned the UV light check trick for tritium. Photo attached is of this watch and the hands look painted or relumed. You can see small spots of lume shining through.

I returned the watch for a full refund and he paid for shipping. I showed him the pic and watch is still on sale.

Anyone have any other thoughts on what's going on with the hands?

TimeToGo · 23 September 2017, 09:20 PM

Probably used a type a chemical to stabilize the back of the hands and it shines through imperfections on the tritium..

rootbeer7 · 23 September 2017, 10:23 PM

The 'full set' has become the biggest distraction when selling a poor watch. Purchasers get very excited and forget about the watch; dial, hands and especially the case. Springer you are fantastic help to so many people, myself included.

GGGMT · 8 October 2017, 07:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bob the brush

Caveat emptor!

Cave what?

Trazor · 8 October 2017, 09:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GGGMT

Cave what?

Buyer beware.

Wahlberg · 8 October 2017, 09:42 PM

What's the difference between a DJ and GMT jubilee bracelet?

TimeToGo · 8 October 2017, 10:06 PM

For a GMT - the last link on the jubilee would be marked "50" and would use "550" end links, or newer ones "502"s..

Jubilee, no "50"s and end links 555s..

socalwatchcollector · 11 October 2017, 12:58 AM

Relisted

007timer · 11 October 2017, 03:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by socalwatchcollector

Relisted

These guys are something else. They keep trying?

BNA/LION · 11 October 2017, 03:39 AM

JP and the rest of TRF is so great with information like this! THANKS!

JPSUB · 11 October 2017, 11:32 AM

What kind of black light do you use? The led flashlight type or the full fluorescent bulb type that is specific for uv light rather than a "party/dj" light?

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JPSUB · 11 October 2017, 11:39 PM

[QUOTE=frankoman;7922405]

Quote:

Originally Posted by springer

I've had a couple guys ask me to look at this ebay watch being sold by awadwatches in Miami. I have no idea who they are but the watch has a "cobbled together" set of accessories. If this doesn't bother you, then disregard this thread.

The watch was sold in Spain. It has a USA Bufkor box, wrong booklets (some are stamped USA) an Oyster perpetual hang tag which should be GMT embossed and a Datejust style Jubilee bracelet not a GMT Jubilee.

If you are looking for a GMT 16750 set, I would think one would expect the accessories to be correct - some in this listing are not.

The asking price is $13,595.

You Live and Learn, I had purchased this watch not picking up on the red flags in the accessories. I have learned the UV light check trick for tritium. Photo attached is of this watch and the hands look painted or relumed. You can see small spots of lume shining through.

I returned the watch for a full refund and he paid for shipping. I showed him the pic and watch is still on sale.

Anyone have any other thoughts on what's going on with the hands?

What kind of black light? Led flashlight or uv or party style? Appreciate the info learning as I go!

Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

frankoman · 12 October 2017, 06:57 AM

[QUOTE=JPSUB;7961593]

Quote:

Originally Posted by frankoman

What kind of black light? Led flashlight or uv or party style? Appreciate the info learning as I go!

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I'm using a high powered LED UV flashlight. You want to be in a dim lit area when checking.

I would love to hear more on this and what others are using as well.

This is the one I use but there are lots out there.

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0...?ie=UTF8&psc=1

frankoman · 13 November 2017, 11:03 AM

Now re-listed with huge price increase on Chrono24, etc - $16250.00

TheRolexKingofLV · 13 November 2017, 11:40 AM

JP you are one one of my "go to guys"...you are HUGE asset around here!

Thanks for looking out for the rest of us

springer · 16 November 2017, 11:11 AM

Here you go. And, a $3,000 price increase.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Vintage-Rol...MAAOSwZs5Zkmwj

frankoman · 10 January 2018, 11:52 AM

Sold for $16,750.00 - changed insert to black

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Vintage-Rol...p2047675.l2557

26 August 2017, 10:38 AM	#1
springer 2024 SubLV41 Pledge Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Real Name: jP Location: Texas Watch: GMT-MASTER Posts: 17,319	Cobbled together GMT 16750 set on ebay. I've had a couple guys ask me to look at this ebay watch being sold by awadwatches in Miami. I have no idea who they are but the watch has a "cobbled together" set of accessories. If this doesn't bother you, then disregard this thread. The watch was sold in Spain. It has a USA Bufkor box, wrong booklets (some are stamped USA) an Oyster perpetual hang tag which should be GMT embossed and a Datejust style Jubilee bracelet not a GMT Jubilee. If you are looking for a GMT 16750 set, I would think one would expect the accessories to be correct - some in this listing are not. The asking price is $13,595. Here is the link: http://www.ebay.com/itm/Vintage-Role...MAAOSwZs5Zkmwj Attached Images __________________ Member of NAWCC since 1990. INSTAGRAM USER NAME: SPRINGERJFP Visit my Instagram page to view some of the finest vintage GMTs anywhere - as well as other vintage classics.

28 August 2017, 04:12 AM	#2
joli160 2024 SubLV41 Pledge Member Join Date: Apr 2013 Location: NL Watch: Yachtmaster Posts: 14,757	Thanks for pointing this out __________________ Day Date 18238, Yachtmaster 16622, Deepsea 116660, Submariner 116619, SkyD 326935, DJ 178271, DJ 69158, Yachtmaster 169622, GMT 116713LN, GMT 126711.

28 August 2017, 04:29 AM	#3
henrylee "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Socal/LA Watch: 116610LN Ceramic Posts: 3,223	Thanks JP, I was actually looking at this watch. __________________ ♛ Sub 116610LN 2011 ♛ GMT 126710BLNR 2021 ♛ GMT 126711CHNR 2020 ♛ Datejust 16233 X-series 1993 Ω Speedmaster Mitsukoshi 2019 č Cartier Tank w5200025 2021

29 August 2017, 12:22 AM	#5
Swiss Mad! "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2017 Real Name: Max Location: UK Watch: Various Posts: 3,727	Walk away....quickly! Sent from my Moto G (4) using Tapatalk __________________ instagram: max.parkin

23 September 2017, 04:02 PM	#6
frankoman Banned Join Date: Jun 2016 Location: Seattle Watch: 1968 1675 Posts: 278	[QUOTE=springer;7859368]I've had a couple guys ask me to look at this ebay watch being sold by awadwatches in Miami. I have no idea who they are but the watch has a "cobbled together" set of accessories. If this doesn't bother you, then disregard this thread. The watch was sold in Spain. It has a USA Bufkor box, wrong booklets (some are stamped USA) an Oyster perpetual hang tag which should be GMT embossed and a Datejust style Jubilee bracelet not a GMT Jubilee. If you are looking for a GMT 16750 set, I would think one would expect the accessories to be correct - some in this listing are not. The asking price is $13,595. You Live and Learn, I had purchased this watch not picking up on the red flags in the accessories. I have learned the UV light check trick for tritium. Photo attached is of this watch and the hands look painted or relumed. You can see small spots of lume shining through. I returned the watch for a full refund and he paid for shipping. I showed him the pic and watch is still on sale. Anyone have any other thoughts on what's going on with the hands? Attached Images

28 August 2017, 09:38 PM	#4
Bob the brush "TRF" Member Join Date: Feb 2017 Location: Mercia Watch: 1016 Explorer. Posts: 928	The lengths people will go to to fool others, or perhaps the seller was sold duff stuff! Caveat emptor!

23 September 2017, 09:20 PM	#7
TimeToGo 2024 SubLV41 Pledge Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: North Florida Posts: 16,735	Probably used a type a chemical to stabilize the back of the hands and it shines through imperfections on the tritium..

23 September 2017, 10:23 PM	#8
rootbeer7 2024 Pledge Member Join Date: Jan 2014 Location: london Posts: 6,157	The 'full set' has become the biggest distraction when selling a poor watch. Purchasers get very excited and forget about the watch; dial, hands and especially the case. Springer you are fantastic help to so many people, myself included. __________________ @imrootbeer7

8 October 2017, 09:42 PM	#11
Wahlberg "TRF" Member Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: Paris Posts: 3,590	What's the difference between a DJ and GMT jubilee bracelet?

8 October 2017, 10:06 PM	#12
TimeToGo 2024 SubLV41 Pledge Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: North Florida Posts: 16,735	For a GMT - the last link on the jubilee would be marked "50" and would use "550" end links, or newer ones "502"s.. Jubilee, no "50"s and end links 555s..

11 October 2017, 12:58 AM	#13
socalwatchcollector "TRF" Member Join Date: Nov 2013 Real Name: John Location: newport beach Watch: Pateks Plural Posts: 1,620	Relisted

11 October 2017, 03:39 AM	#15
BNA/LION 2024 SubLV41 Pledge Member Join Date: May 2011 Real Name: Larry Location: San Diego, CA Watch: ROLEX Posts: 25,643	Cobbled together GMT 16750 set on ebay. JP and the rest of TRF is so great with information like this! THANKS! __________________ ✦ 28238 President DD 18K/YG ✦ 16610LN SS Sub ✦ 16613 18K/SS Serti ✦ 16550 Exp II Non-Rail Cream Dial ✦ Daytona C 116500 ✦ 126710 BLRO GMT-Master II ✦ NEXT-->? ⛳ Hole In One! 10/3/19 DMCC 5th hole, par 3, 168 yards w/ 4-Iron.

11 October 2017, 11:32 AM	#16
JPSUB "TRF" Member Join Date: May 2007 Real Name: James Location: Houston TX Watch: 16610 Posts: 332	What kind of black light do you use? The led flashlight type or the full fluorescent bulb type that is specific for uv light rather than a "party/dj" light? Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk __________________

13 November 2017, 11:03 AM	#19
frankoman Banned Join Date: Jun 2016 Location: Seattle Watch: 1968 1675 Posts: 278	Now re-listed with huge price increase on Chrono24, etc - $16250.00

13 November 2017, 11:40 AM	#20
TheRolexKingofLV "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2015 Real Name: Trace Location: Vegas/Bay Area Posts: 9,234	JP you are one one of my "go to guys"...you are HUGE asset around here! Thanks for looking out for the rest of us __________________ Official Host "The Penthouse Party" Las Vegas 2018 Instagram @tracenunes

16 November 2017, 11:11 AM	#21
springer 2024 SubLV41 Pledge Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Real Name: jP Location: Texas Watch: GMT-MASTER Posts: 17,319	Here you go. And, a $3,000 price increase. https://www.ebay.com/itm/Vintage-Rol...MAAOSwZs5Zkmwj __________________ Member of NAWCC since 1990. INSTAGRAM USER NAME: SPRINGERJFP Visit my Instagram page to view some of the finest vintage GMTs anywhere - as well as other vintage classics.

10 January 2018, 11:52 AM	#22
frankoman Banned Join Date: Jun 2016 Location: Seattle Watch: 1968 1675 Posts: 278	Sold for $16,750.00 - changed insert to black https://www.ebay.com/itm/Vintage-Rol...p2047675.l2557

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