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emd710 · 23 July 2018, 07:40 AM

I had a fair amount of windshield time this past week so got to pondering a couple of different questions, some Rolex related and many not, but the best Rolex question I had, is as follows:

Which model from these would you buy from an AD as a 2nd piece to further your collection and enjoyment, versus purchasing the piece on the secondary market?

Assume you already had a Stainless piece already - such as a GMT or Sub. You can imagine it being something fancy like a BLRO or whatever if that helps you come to a decision. ;)

It seems to me that there is a matrix or crossover point where you want to go to your AD of choice instead of going secondhand, but I imagine it is different for everybody.

Please answer the poll with the current availability situation in mind. If the situation was that everything was in stock everywhere, this would be a different conversation, I'm sure. :)

In case anybody is curious, this list is mostly based off what I'm seeing out there in the various AD's cases over the last month or so. Hopefully this will be an enjoyable thread and foster lots of good discussion and comments.

Chadridv · 23 July 2018, 07:46 AM

The only piece that really interests me on your list is the explorer 2 - white dial. But honestly, maybe I’m missing something but I don’t really get what you’re asking lol.

Rose Gold · 23 July 2018, 07:50 AM

I am a bit surprised that there is not a single watch on your list that I would purchase. I wish you had added a “none” selection.

Joe

rgwarden · 23 July 2018, 07:51 AM

Where’s the list?

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thomaspp · 23 July 2018, 07:53 AM

Can you even buy a steel sports Rolex from an ad anymore. Lol

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AboutTime · 23 July 2018, 07:54 AM

The 116613LB is the only watch on your list that interests me so I chose that one. It's also the only watch on your list that my AD had in the case when I visited a few days ago.

037 · 23 July 2018, 08:27 AM

I'll have to vote "bacon" on this one. I'd rather be patient than buy something just because it's in stock.

HL65 · 23 July 2018, 08:27 AM

From your list only the YMII.

77T · 23 July 2018, 08:50 AM

Not voting because TapaTalk doesn’t display polls.

But my observation: the AD is only competitive on PM models.

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Nikrnic · 23 July 2018, 09:17 AM

I was at my AD today (a large boutique) the only thing they had was a black Expll. That was it. I did buy a Polar recently. No PM sports left either only one TT Yachtmaster, so I checked out the Tudor section and it was a different story except no SS GMT. I've been thinking about a Heritage Chrono which I tried on and got a good discount and l might be getting that real soon. I was told they're not expecting anything from Rolex to be available for a year, anything they may get in is spoken for as they have long lists for everything.

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Nycturbovr6 · 23 July 2018, 09:19 AM

I would go for the bluesy

GradyPhilpott · 23 July 2018, 09:20 AM

Historically, I have purchased my new Rolex or Tudor watches from ADs and only my vintage watches from third-parties.

This is my personal preference.

The Libertine · 23 July 2018, 09:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chadridv

The only piece that really interests me on your list is the explorer 2 - white dial. But honestly, maybe I’m missing something but I don’t really get what you’re asking lol.

That makes two of us....

WJGESQ · 23 July 2018, 09:42 AM

None of those.

Muxi · 23 July 2018, 10:21 AM

None for me too. I wish you could reconsider choices. A PM reference perhaps?

emd710 · 23 July 2018, 10:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 77T

Not voting because TapaTalk doesn’t display polls.

But my observation: the AD is only competitive on PM models.

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Did not realize that. Let me try and edit.

Yobber76 · 23 July 2018, 10:41 AM

None of these sorry. Maybe that's why they are in the AD's cases.

MTBer · 23 July 2018, 10:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nikrnic

...I was told they're not expecting anything from Rolex to be available for a year, anything they may get in is spoken for as they have long lists for everything.

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Given the affluence of the area it’s hardly surprising, but still disappointing that a standalone boutique is actually worse off for prospective availability than regular ADs.

emd710 · 23 July 2018, 11:13 AM

Looks like I can't edit my initial post.

Choices, in order:

Reference 116680 aka The Yatch Master II, in stainless
Reference 216570 aka The Explorer II, White Dial
Reference 216570 aka The Explorer II, Black Dial
Reference 116613LB aka TT Sub in Yellow Gold and Stainless, with Blue Dial and Bezel
Reference 116503 aka TT Daytona, in YG and Stainless, White Dial

Question is: If you were going to pick one of these to purchase from an AD instead of from the secondhand market, which one would you pick?

Extra credit for a why.

emd710 · 23 July 2018, 11:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 77T

But my observation: the AD is only competitive on PM models.

Seems like that is very AD or location dependent - I've asked one AD and been told they don't discount on anything, but yet, on this forum, lots of reports that folks get discounts...

imgook · 23 July 2018, 11:33 AM

Probably one of the Explorers

Fleetlord · 23 July 2018, 03:17 PM

The market doesn't favor purchasing any of these references @ retail, so I wouldn't.

That is also the purpose of the question.

Justindo · 23 July 2018, 06:50 PM

The Explorer II Polar is the only watch on your list that I would buy, so that's my choice. I would expect at least a 10% discount on it though, even in these times.

emd710 · 24 July 2018, 09:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fleetlord

The market doesn't favor purchasing any of these references @ retail, so I wouldn't.

That is also the purpose of the question.

I'm glad somebody understood the subtext.

I was looking at prices shown on Watchrecon for the TT Sub and YMII which is another factor that got me thinking about this line of question.

The Sub has many for sale from 11.5K to 12.5K. New, it's 13.4K, so you are talking $1900 or less of a difference.

I just checked the TT Daytona and seems to be cheaper from a percentage perspective than those two references. Hmm.

The Explorer II seems to be about $1100 off so we are talking about 12% there...

The YMII is all over the place - anywhere from 13.5K to 16.3K. Retail is 18.75K. That's really weird; I'm assuming it is due to the piece being very polarizing to the average buyer.

Starwalker · 24 July 2018, 10:51 AM

Would get the 116613LB

View Poll Results: Choose WIsely!
Reference 116680 aka The Yatch Master II, in stainless	15	13.76%
Reference 216570 aka The Explorer II, White Dial	28	25.69%
Reference 216570 aka The Explorer II, Black Dial	7	6.42%
Reference 116613LB aka TT Sub in Yellow Gold and Stainless, with Blue Dial and Bezel	48	44.04%
Reference 116503 aka TT Daytona, in YG and Stainless, White Dial	11	10.09%
Voters: 109. You may not vote on this poll

23 July 2018, 07:40 AM	#1
emd710 "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2018 Location: Virginia Posts: 61	A Hypothetical - Which model from these would you buy from an AD? I had a fair amount of windshield time this past week so got to pondering a couple of different questions, some Rolex related and many not, but the best Rolex question I had, is as follows: Which model from these would you buy from an AD as a 2nd piece to further your collection and enjoyment, versus purchasing the piece on the secondary market? Assume you already had a Stainless piece already - such as a GMT or Sub. You can imagine it being something fancy like a BLRO or whatever if that helps you come to a decision. ;) It seems to me that there is a matrix or crossover point where you want to go to your AD of choice instead of going secondhand, but I imagine it is different for everybody. Please answer the poll with the current availability situation in mind. If the situation was that everything was in stock everywhere, this would be a different conversation, I'm sure. :) In case anybody is curious, this list is mostly based off what I'm seeing out there in the various AD's cases over the last month or so. Hopefully this will be an enjoyable thread and foster lots of good discussion and comments. Last edited by emd710; 23 July 2018 at 07:44 AM.. Reason: Clarifying a point and cleaning up the list...

23 July 2018, 07:46 AM	#2
Chadridv 2024 Pledge Member Join Date: Oct 2014 Real Name: Chadri Location: LI, NY Watch: 116610LV Posts: 11,357	The only piece that really interests me on your list is the explorer 2 - white dial. But honestly, maybe I’m missing something but I don’t really get what you’re asking lol. __________________ - i͞n͟s͞t͟a͞g͞r͟a͞m͞ @ⓒⓄⓁⒹⓒⒶⓈⒺⓦⒶⒶⓉⒸⒽⒺⓈ

23 July 2018, 07:50 AM	#3
Rose Gold "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2018 Real Name: Joe Location: North Carolina Watch: er in the rye Posts: 234	I am a bit surprised that there is not a single watch on your list that I would purchase. I wish you had added a “none” selection. Joe __________________ 2018 Rose Gold Daytona (116505) with Rose Gold Dial and Black Sub-Dials.

23 July 2018, 07:53 AM	#5
thomaspp "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: N/A Posts: 11,137	Can you even buy a steel sports Rolex from an ad anymore. Lol Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk __________________ Instagram: @watches_anonymous

23 July 2018, 07:51 AM	#4
rgwarden "TRF" Member Join Date: Aug 2016 Location: London Watch: 124270 Posts: 537	Where’s the list? Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

23 July 2018, 07:54 AM	#6
AboutTime "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: N California Posts: 909	The 116613LB is the only watch on your list that interests me so I chose that one. It's also the only watch on your list that my AD had in the case when I visited a few days ago.

23 July 2018, 08:27 AM	#7
037 2024 Pledge Member Join Date: Feb 2018 Location: USA Posts: 6,173	I'll have to vote "bacon" on this one. I'd rather be patient than buy something just because it's in stock.

23 July 2018, 08:27 AM	#8
HL65 TRF Moderator & 2024 SubLV41 Patron Join Date: Dec 2007 Real Name: Ken Location: SW Florida Watch: One on my wrist. Posts: 64,005	From your list only the YMII. __________________ *SPEM SUCCESSUS ALIT*

23 July 2018, 08:50 AM	#9
77T 2024 SubLV41 Pledge Member Join Date: Dec 2010 Real Name: PaulG Location: Georgia Posts: 42,013	Not voting because TapaTalk doesn’t display polls. But my observation: the AD is only competitive on PM models. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Pro __________________ Does anyone really know what time it is?

23 July 2018, 09:17 AM	#10
Nikrnic "TRF" Member Join Date: May 2017 Real Name: Louis Nick Ric Location: Michigan, USA Watch: Blnr, Expll, Subs, Posts: 10,172	I was at my AD today (a large boutique) the only thing they had was a black Expll. That was it. I did buy a Polar recently. No PM sports left either only one TT Yachtmaster, so I checked out the Tudor section and it was a different story except no SS GMT. I've been thinking about a Heritage Chrono which I tried on and got a good discount and l might be getting that real soon. I was told they're not expecting anything from Rolex to be available for a year, anything they may get in is spoken for as they have long lists for everything. Sent from my SM-G900V using Tapatalk

23 July 2018, 09:19 AM	#11
Nycturbovr6 "TRF" Member Join Date: Aug 2012 Location: New York Posts: 7,630	I would go for the bluesy

23 July 2018, 09:20 AM	#12
GradyPhilpott 2024 SubLV41 Pledge Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: New Mexico Watch: Seiko #SRK050 Posts: 34,460	Historically, I have purchased my new Rolex or Tudor watches from ADs and only my vintage watches from third-parties. This is my personal preference. __________________ JJ Inaugural TRF $50 Watch Challenge Winner

23 July 2018, 09:42 AM	#14
WJGESQ Banned Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Florida Posts: 3,753	None of those.

23 July 2018, 10:21 AM	#15
Muxi "TRF" Member Join Date: May 2018 Location: Philippines Posts: 1,823	None for me too. I wish you could reconsider choices. A PM reference perhaps?

23 July 2018, 10:41 AM	#17
Yobber76 2024 SubLV41 Pledge Member Join Date: Jan 2018 Real Name: Mike Location: Illinois Watch: BLNR VTNR PAM 915 Posts: 1,982	None of these sorry. Maybe that's why they are in the AD's cases.

23 July 2018, 11:13 AM	#19
emd710 "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2018 Location: Virginia Posts: 61	Looks like I can't edit my initial post. Choices, in order: Reference 116680 aka The Yatch Master II, in stainless Reference 216570 aka The Explorer II, White Dial Reference 216570 aka The Explorer II, Black Dial Reference 116613LB aka TT Sub in Yellow Gold and Stainless, with Blue Dial and Bezel Reference 116503 aka TT Daytona, in YG and Stainless, White Dial Question is: If you were going to pick one of these to purchase from an AD instead of from the secondhand market, which one would you pick? Extra credit for a why.

23 July 2018, 11:33 AM	#21
imgook "TRF" Member Join Date: Mar 2018 Real Name: Rob Location: Australia Watch: 116500LN White Posts: 886	Probably one of the Explorers

23 July 2018, 03:17 PM	#22
Fleetlord 2024 Pledge Member Join Date: May 2013 Location: Vain Posts: 6,022	The market doesn't favor purchasing any of these references @ retail, so I wouldn't. That is also the purpose of the question.

23 July 2018, 06:50 PM	#23
Justindo "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2017 Location: California Posts: 2,176	The Explorer II Polar is the only watch on your list that I would buy, so that's my choice. I would expect at least a 10% discount on it though, even in these times.

24 July 2018, 10:51 AM	#25
Starwalker "TRF" Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: aroundtheworld Watch: SS Daytona - BLACK Posts: 2,261	Would get the 116613LB __________________ 116520 Black - 116500 White - 116713LN - 116613LB - Panerai 389 - Chopard Mille Miglia GMT Chronograph - Chopard LUC Sport 2000 - Moser Pioneer Centre Seconds

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