New guy needs help- Genuine band? 62510H J 555 ends

[beemer2002]

Hello, I've been looking for a reference, but can't seem to find. I have a "vintage" 2 tone jubilee band, off of a genuine Oyster Perpetual. The band, I want to ensure is authentic. It has the following: Patented & Registered with Swiss Made underneath, to the far right in the middle: J (with a crown underneath), Steelinox and 62510 H. The end pieces are 555. Also, what karat would it be? Thanks!

[johnsonwj]

Any bracelet with a crown on the right hand side is a fake, a very good fake.

[beemer2002]

Wow, that's an eye opener..disappointing, but I thank you very much.

[Poohsan]

Originally Posted by johnsonwj

Any bracelet with a crown on the right hand side is a fake, a very good fake.

Johnsonwj,

Could you please elaborate on this and other elements that denote a fake? I have been thinking about purchasing a preowned bracelet and any information would be appreciated.

Thanks,
Arron

[johnsonwj]

It is hard to describe without a picture but here it goes. On the inside of the buckle clasp you have all of the normal information, serial number etc., and amazingly a little crown in the right hand corner. The crown should not be present. We have spent the last couple of days busting people on Ebay.

[ashu2289]

Originally Posted by johnsonwj

It is hard to describe without a picture but here it goes. On the inside of the buckle clasp you have all of the normal information, serial number etc., and amazingly a little crown in the right hand corner. The crown should not be present. We have spent the last couple of days busting people on Ebay.

Thanks a lot for the useful info

[cisaacs]

I am trying to find out if this Rolex band is real or fake? Any help would be appreciated. Outside of band says patented & registered swiss made on the left and steelinox and an A on the right. In the middle is Rolex with swirls and a crown at the top. The band itself shows 78360 at the end of each link. Thanks

[Tools]

Originally Posted by beemer2002

Hello, I've been looking for a reference, but can't seem to find. I have a "vintage" 2 tone jubilee band, off of a genuine Oyster Perpetual. The band, I want to ensure is authentic. It has the following: Patented & Registered with Swiss Made underneath, to the far right in the middle: J (with a crown underneath), Steelinox and 62510 H. The end pieces are 555. Also, what karat would it be? Thanks!

62510H and 555 endlinks are the numbers for the Stainless Steel Bracelet.

[Toxicant]

I thought that it was determined that there were a few real bands with the small crown on them? Perhaps if you do some research in the watch out forum you might come up with something.

Not sure but I think maybe Springer might have discovered this.

Food for thought.

[springer]

Originally Posted by johnsonwj

Any bracelet with a crown on the right hand side is a fake, a very good fake.

This information about the small coronet-stamped inner clasp is incorrect and has been verified by the RSC in Dallas. I've posted on this in the past. There are fake varieties of this band out there, but bands were made for Rolex that contained the smallcoronrt in the lower right corner of the inner clasp.

Also, the band number referenced is for a stainless steel band, not a two-tone band. Without pics, it's hard to say what you have.

Follow the link here for the previous discussion of these bands.

http://rolexforums.com/showthread.ph...ht=small+crown

[damnyankee]

Originally Posted by beemer2002

Hello, I've been looking for a reference, but can't seem to find. I have a "vintage" 2 tone jubilee band, off of a genuine Oyster Perpetual. The band, I want to ensure is authentic. It has the following: Patented & Registered with Swiss Made underneath, to the far right in the middle: J (with a crown underneath), Steelinox and 62510 H. The end pieces are 555. Also, what karat would it be? Thanks!

I also have a genuine Oyster Perpetual Datejust that has to be around 30 years old and its two-tone jubilee band has the same markings as yours except mine has an "E" above the crown, not a "J". I guess I always assumed the alphabetical marking to be month of manufacture (D = April, E = May, J = October).

[level]

Originally Posted by damnyankee

I also have a genuine Oyster Perpetual Datejust that has to be around 30 years old and its two-tone jubilee band has the same markings as yours except mine has an "E" above the crown, not a "J". I guess I always assumed the alphabetical marking to be month of manufacture (D = April, E = May, J = October).

I believe the "E" represents the year, in this case 1980.

[Jackxv]

This is not a paranormal forum, without pictures we can't tell it.

Offcourse wrong stamping, steel for TT, can be determined but there are much better fakes which are almost impossible to call out fake at once.

Jack

[springer]

Gentlemen, this thread is almost two years old. did you read the post dates!

[damnyankee]

Originally Posted by springer

Gentlemen, this thread is almost two years old. did you read the post dates!

Yes...but my watch is 30 years old, I bought it from the original owner (old man) who rarely wore it, and there's some posted information on this thread that is consistent with my watch. I wanted to confirm to the "D" jubilee bracelet owner that his band is not an anomoly as I have one exactly like it (tho mine has an "E" vs his "D").

[Jackxv]

Post pictures (clear) and a question, we'll answer it.

Jack

[BASSETHOUNDS]

Originally Posted by Jackxv

Post pictures (clear) and a question, we'll answer it.

Jack

Well , at least we will try to answer

[damnyankee]

Originally Posted by Jackxv

Post pictures (clear) and a question, we'll answer it.

Jack

Mine is identical to his...here's the clasp. By the way, the end pieces are also stamped 555" like his and it's definitely a two tone Jubilee.

[Tools]

Sorry........... fakaroonie

[damnyankee]

Originally Posted by Tools

Sorry........... fakaroonie

I dropped off my watch at the big Rolex dealer in Metro Detroit this afternoon. They opened up the watch and said both the watch and bracelet date to 1980 and they said both were indeed genuine.

I had badly chipped the crystal and when they opened it up, they said it needed new gaskets and a good cleaning/oiling (which I already knew as I had to manually wind the thing every day). They said as this particular watch had ~230 parts in it, the standard Rolex charge would be $550.

Since the crystal was the original plexi crystal, they would include a new plexi crystal in with the regular servicing. I'll get it back in 10 days and they guaranteed when I picked it up, it would look/work like brand new.

So there ya have it.

DY

[Tools]

You're Dealer is mistaken.. and they frequently are, with bracelets especially.

A 62510 is the part number for a Stainless Steel Bracelet, not one in Two Tone.. It would also have an 18 to show that it was part of the 18k gold assembly.. 555 end links are for Stainless Steel Datejust end links, not Two Tone links.... the proper part number is 62523..

Your crown in the middle of the clasp is also incorrect with only 4 points (there should be 5 distinct points) and badly copied at the crown circle..

I'm sure that it is perfectly serviceable and should last you for years though..

[damnyankee]

Originally Posted by Tools

You're Dealer is mistaken.. and they frequently are, with bracelets especially.

A 62510 is the part number for a Stainless Steel Bracelet, not one in Two Tone.. It would also have an 18 to show that it was part of the 18k gold assembly.. 555 end links are for Stainless Steel Datejust end links, not Two Tone links.... the proper part number is 62523..

Your crown in the middle of the clasp is also incorrect with only 4 points (there should be 5 distinct points) and badly copied at the crown circle..

I'm sure that it is perfectly serviceable and should last you for years though..

Thank you, Larry. You're right about the numbers showing stainless. As an FYI, there are actually 5 points on both coronets on the clasp (it's a bad scan which is why it looks like there's only 4 points on the center one). The clasp has the tiny flathead screw. What's odd is, it's been a daily wearer for 30 years and if it were gold plated, wouldn't the gold have worn off by now?

[springer]

Originally Posted by damnyankee

Mine is identical to his...here's the clasp. By the way, the end pieces are also stamped 555" like his and it's definitely a two tone Jubilee.

This band is counterfeit and I agree with Tools. Sorry.

[Watchcollectables]

Originally Posted by damnyankee

Mine is identical to his...here's the clasp. By the way, the end pieces are also stamped 555" like his and it's definitely a two tone Jubilee.

Hi , Is this bracelet clasp definately fake ? I have one in exactly the same and owners swears he has had it years and its legit!
has the same thin coronet on the right hand side also stamped E
Thanks

[Tools]

Originally Posted by Watchcollectables

Hi , Is this bracelet clasp definately fake ? I have one in exactly the same and owners swears he has had it years and its legit!
has the same thin coronet on the right hand side also stamped E
Thanks

Yes, it is definitely not an authentic Rolex product.

As mentioned several times, it may be perfectly serviceable and last for years, but it isn't authentic Rolex.

[Watchcollectables]

Does anyone have any pics of genuine clasps with the smal coronet stamps? Thanks