Platinum VS. White Gold

[Seibei]

Not sure if I get this thread. Platinum is cheaper and therefore more expensive?

[Seibei]

Originally Posted by mineral

Agreed.

And glacier blue dial too. Such a beautiful Dial

Your watch is to die for, great pic.

[HogwldFLTR]

Originally Posted by Seibei

Not sure if I get this thread. Platinum is cheaper and therefore more expensive?

Try reading the thread before hitting keys. You’ll appear to be less of a fool.

[lecorsaire]

Nothing looks like platinum. Nothing! It is the whitest of all the white metals and has this sort of liquid metal appearance under bright lights. It is also the rarest precious metal. Even though it’s price is currently not higher than gold that has not historically been the case.

It is also much harder to work with and definitely wears down equipment much faster than gold and steel.

[HogwldFLTR]

Originally Posted by HogwldFLTR

Pt 21.45 g/cm3
18 k. Au 10.5 g/cm3
SS 7.95 g/cm3

Twice as much Pt weight/unit volume. In other words the weight of a Pt watch is twice that of a Au watch and consumes twice as many grams of Pt as it would of gold. Aside from that Pt is the royalist of the precious metals. Does that help? If it doesn't then revisit junior high school.

Additionally 18k gold is approximately 25% cheaper than pure gold per ounce.


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[nightpilot]

Originally Posted by HogwldFLTR

Pt 21.45 g/cm3
18 k. Au 10.5 g/cm3
SS 7.95 g/cm3

Twice as much Pt weight/unit volume. In other words the weight of a Pt watch is twice that of a Au watch and consumes twice as many grams of Pt as it would of gold. Aside from that Pt is the royalist of the precious metals. Does that help? If it doesn't then revisit junior high school.

I think your 18k gold density is a little off.

[bayerische]

Originally Posted by nightpilot

I think your 18k gold density is a little off.

Should be around 14,5 grams/cm3.

[blah114]

Off topic, but I’m betting someday, Rolex will release a platinum submariner. The platinum pieces pictured in this thread are quite stunning. It’s a shame Rolex can’t have a fluted platinum bezel, but I understand the material is too difficult to work with regarding a fluted bezel.

[rolexgiants]

Originally Posted by tulowitzki

Hello, this is my first time posting so go easy on me please.

Ive been looking at WG Day Date2 and the current pre-owned market is around 29k to 32k

On the other hand I've seen the Platinum DD2 pre-owned and its 41k to 44k.

I have never tried on the platinum but I have the WG. They look very similar in color and I don't understand the huge difference in price?

2nd part of my question.... A new WG day date 2 retails for 37k. Pre-owned 29k. thats an 8k difference.

Platinum Day Date 2 retails for 57k and pre- owned 41k. 16k difference.

Why is there such a big swing in pricing for these two watches?

Thans in advance for the help.

First of all, congratulations on signing with the greatest team in sports history! Also, best of luck on the watch choice! Lol.

[HogwldFLTR]

Originally Posted by nightpilot

I think your 18k gold density is a little off.

Originally Posted by bayerische

Should be around 14,5 grams/cm3.

Thanks for catching that; the site I first looked at had the density I reported. Of course now I can't find the site. Here's some more data. The principle is the same.



https://www.goldpay.us/wp-content/up...sity-table.jpg

And perhaps another couple of sites worth looking at.

https://blog.brilliance.com/jewelry/...-vs-white-gold

http://www.jogiadiamonds.com.au/blog...wont-tell-you/

[Seibei]

Originally Posted by HogwldFLTR

Additionally 18k gold is approximately 25% cheaper than pure gold per ounce.


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[edyu]

Originally Posted by SearChart

WG gets too dull and grey after a while, yes even Rolex WG. Platinum all the way!

Interesting. I thought it might go yellow but didn't know dull and grey. Got any reference I can look up? Also I thought Rolex wg and rg are specifically formulated to never lose the color.

[HogwldFLTR]

Originally Posted by Seibei

Exactly why is that confusing? Less gold, less cost. Pretty straight forward. I know that we use a lot of gold in our manufacturing processes. Any savings by less gold used is a big deal. 18K Au is 75% Au. Pt is close to 100% Pt.

Curious what your background is if you're confused by this?

[Jster]

Originally Posted by HogwldFLTR

Thanks for catching that; the site I first looked at had the density I reported. Of course now I can't find the site. Here's some more data. The principle is the same.



https://www.goldpay.us/wp-content/up...sity-table.jpg

And perhaps another couple of sites worth looking at.

https://blog.brilliance.com/jewelry/...-vs-white-gold

http://www.jogiadiamonds.com.au/blog...wont-tell-you/

Like you said, try reading before hitting keys. . .

[jeffnnj]

I would buy RG over both but if I had to choose between the two I'd go for platinum because of the smooth bezel.

[HogwldFLTR]

Originally Posted by Jster

Like you said, try reading before hitting keys. . .

I believed a site that reported the incorrect density; how is that not reading. You did read that, right? My texts are buried in the basement. Not certain why I should expect something like that to be misreported on the net.

[Seibei]

Originally Posted by HogwldFLTR

Exactly why is that confusing? Less gold, less cost. Pretty straight forward. I know that we use a lot of gold in our manufacturing processes. Any savings by less gold used is a big deal. 18K Au is 75% Au. Pt is close to 100% Pt.

Curious what your background is if you're confused by this?

You are missing my point. The point is that in the grand scheme of things, in this case the actual price of these watches the price of the precious metals is not a deciding factor. It has more to do with rarity and perhaps the difficulty of working the material, not the price of the material per se. These watches cost far more than the price of the materials used to make them. Measuring a gram here and a percentage there is a waste of time.

[Jster]

Originally Posted by HogwldFLTR

I believed a site that reported the incorrect density; how is that not reading. You did read that, right? My texts are buried in the basement. Not certain why I should expect something like that to be misreported on the net.

Because the densities were reported in several earlier posts. You did read those right?

[HogwldFLTR]

Originally Posted by Jster

Because the densities were reported in several earlier posts. You did read those right?

Actually I read through the thread and looked for it but didn't see it. I didn't however come away with out understanding of the principle. Not certain why it would matter actually. It's a straight forward calculation and one based on basics. Why would it matter and why wouldn't I go to a site to look it up myself. Oh I get it; you think I'm full of myself and are intent on showing me your disapproval. I get that. You can get out of my face now.

[Seibei]

Originally Posted by HogwldFLTR

You can get out of my face now.

Looks like it time for some island time...

[HogwldFLTR]

Originally Posted by Seibei

Looks like it time for some island time...

Sorry, man, I live on an island. Whatever!

Originally Posted by Seibei

Not sure if I get this thread. Platinum is cheaper and therefore more expensive?

Originally Posted by Seibei

Originally Posted by Seibei

You are missing my point. The point is that in the grand scheme of things, in this case the actual price of these watches the price of the precious metals is not a deciding factor. It has more to do with rarity and perhaps the difficulty of working the material, not the price of the material per se. These watches cost far more than the price of the materials used to make them. Measuring a gram here and a percentage there is a waste of time.

Actually you never made a point until now. FWIW. Only minimally worded meaningless responses that indicated total lack of understanding.

[Seibei]

Originally Posted by HogwldFLTR

Actually you never made a point until now. FWIW. Only minimally worded meaningless responses that indicated total lack of understanding.

Perhaps a sense of humor would be help you. Not sure where you can get one, but have a look around.

[challer]

Originally Posted by blah114

Off topic, but I’m betting someday, Rolex will release a platinum submariner. The platinum pieces pictured in this thread are quite stunning. It’s a shame Rolex can’t have a fluted platinum bezel, but I understand the material is too difficult to work with regarding a fluted bezel.

No it is not. Several threads on this.

[Kaioken x20]

I wounder if you could daily / 1 watch only a PT DD2. I want it so badly

[Seibei]

Originally Posted by Kaioken x20

I wounder if you could daily / 1 watch only a PT DD2. I want it so badly

I don't see why not, as long as the weight does not bother you.

[HogwldFLTR]

Originally Posted by Seibei

Perhaps a sense of humor would be help you. Not sure where you can get one, but have a look around.

Let me be very clear. I'm a writer and a humorist as well as an engineer. There is no issue with my sense of humor. There is clear deflection on your part from what was obviously lack of comprehension. We are done.

[Seibei]

Originally Posted by HogwldFLTR

Let me be very clear. I'm a writer and a humorist as well as an engineer. There is no issue with my sense of humor. There is clear deflection on your part from what was obviously lack of comprehension. We are done.

Yes, it was "obviously lack of comprehension" on your part.

Your actually a "humorist"? Somehow I find that really funny.

[HogwldFLTR]

Here's a back of the envelope calculation for Daytonas. Watch weight X cost per ounce of pure metal X percent labor premium = cost per watch. Weights from data collected in weight of watch thread. PM cost per gram from internet search. Cost of labor premium variable but Pt is definitely more labor intensive than Au (30% additional is a swag This indicates an approximate maximum of 50% (max) higher cost to build a Pt Daytona over a WG Daytona. I assume the remainder of the increased cost is tied to exclusivity of the Pt as a royal metal!! Back in 2013 when the Pt Daytona came out, gold and platinum were selling for approximately the same price per gram. At that point the price difference would have been much greater.

https://www.rolexforums.com/showthre...R+tudor+weight

Pt 283 (watch weight) X 26.06 (current price of Pt/g) =7375X1.3 (additional labot cost in fraction of Pt/Au)=$9587
18K 205 (watch weight) X 0.75 (fraction Au in 18K) = 154 (Au wt) X42.01 (current price of Au/g) =$6460

[rolexpatek363]

Originally Posted by Seibei

You are missing my point. The point is that in the grand scheme of things, in this case the actual price of these watches the price of the precious metals is not a deciding factor. It has more to do with rarity and perhaps the difficulty of working the material, not the price of the material per se. These watches cost far more than the price of the materials used to make them. Measuring a gram here and a percentage there is a waste of time.

Absolutely correct.

[HogwldFLTR]

Originally Posted by rolexpatek363

Absolutely correct.

In 2013 when the Platona was introduced Pt cost about $55/g. Au cost about the same.

That would have put the cost of a Pt watch at over $20K and gold at about $8.5K which is more inline with the ratio in pricing seen today. FWIW, and having absolutely nothing to do with the pricing differences of course. So your right; there is no rational reason for the difference in pricing. Of course only a back of the envelope calculation