Is a Tudor a Rolex ??

[Stratton]

Does anyone know what Rolex do to the ETA movements?

[Spark]

Originally Posted by Dan Pierce

This Tudor Chrono "big block" is a Rolex case, crown, and bracelet with a Rolex modified Valjoux 7750 movement. No more, no less.
dP

Which is basically what the 6263/6265 Rolex Daytona is other than the Valjoux movement is a different caliber

[BiG JeEzY]

Originally Posted by arttay10

Mark my words..... Vintage Tudors are rising in price rapidly............

Completely agree.

Especially the Tudor Submariners from the 1960's with the rose logo. Their resale value is SKYROCKETING!!

I kind of considered Tudor as branch of Rolex, because Tudor are watches that are produced by Rolex watchmakers. They share names such as "Datejust," "Submariner," and "Oyster."

Recently however, Tudor designs have become more unique by having more of their own style and do not resemble the Rolex styles as much as they used to in the past.

Here's an example of one of the Tudor models currently in production, the Aeronaut:

[padi56]

Originally Posted by steel4me

OOHHHHH!!!!!
you're very right .. In fact ROLEX should stop cheapening themselves and discontinue that line ... it makes them look desperate for $$ ....

And why The Tudor line prior to around 1990 was all Rolex except for movement.The only difference a top range Chronometer grade ETA a first class all in-house built movement.And the Tudor line has quite a heritage with Hans Wilsdorf the founder of Rolex.And quite a few vintage Tudor watches now command higher prices than there Rolex brothers.The Tudor line were made in the same now highly automated factory as Rolex.While now would agree the Aeronaut,Hydronaut range are not quite as good as the Oyster cased ones.Tudor are still a very important part of the Rolex history,and lets remember that some of the most now highly priced vintage Rolex watches are not powered by Rolex in-house movements.But with movements from ETA and Zenith,and nearly all Rolex watches had escapements and hairsprings made by Nivarox part of the now ETA GROUP.And quite a few countries chose the Tudor range for military use instead of its Rolex brother.The Tudor range IMHO are rightfully part of the Rolex line up and history in watches

[Spark]

and where did they rob that Tudor Aeronaut bezel from

[BiG JeEzY]

Yea good point Mark!

I wouldn't say rob though, just borrow might be a better term

One more reason to conclude that Tudor is indeed a part of Rolex.

[Obsession]

Not worth, even to buy a vintage ROLEX with price of a Tudor is worth, Rolex and Tudor are 2 different watches with 2 different movements,look,case and everything...

[padi56]

Originally Posted by Spark

and where did they rob that Tudor Aeronaut bezel from

Well you could say that about Rolex perhaps they got there idea
for there Sub from the Blancpain 50 fathoms.

Vintage Tudor Monte Carlo Chronograph ref 7159,now command telephone number prices,just a dial was sold quite recently sold for just over £700 dial alone.


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[T5AUS]

Originally Posted by padi56

And why The Tudor line prior to around 1990 was all Rolex except for movement.The only difference a top range Chronometer grade ETA a first class all in-house built movement.And the Tudor line has quite a heritage with Hans Wilsdorf the founder of Rolex.And quite a few vintage Tudor watches now command higher prices than there Rolex brothers.The Tudor line were made in the same now highly automated factory as Rolex.While now would agree the Aeronaut,Hydronaut range are not quite as good as the Oyster cased ones.Tudor are still a very important part of the Rolex history,and lets remember that some of the most now highly priced vintage Rolex watches are not powered by Rolex in-house movements.But with movements from ETA and Zenith,and nearly all Rolex watches had escapements and hairsprings made by Nivarox part of the now ETA GROUP.And quite a few countries chose the Tudor range for military use instead of its Rolex brother.The Tudor range IMHO are rightfully part of the Rolex line up and history in watches

Quite right Padi, couldnt have put it better myself
(Just noticed your address, llanfair pg, is that the Anglesy one and if so, do you ever get to the Gaerwen sale room just up the road, (is it even still there I wonder) there was always a good watch to be found there, or was back in the 80's, when I lived in Harlech )

[BiG JeEzY]

Originally Posted by padi56

And why The Tudor line prior to around 1990 was all Rolex except for movement.The only difference a top range Chronometer grade ETA a first class all in-house built movement.And the Tudor line has quite a heritage with Hans Wilsdorf the founder of Rolex.And quite a few vintage Tudor watches now command higher prices than there Rolex brothers.The Tudor line were made in the same now highly automated factory as Rolex.While now would agree the Aeronaut,Hydronaut range are not quite as good as the Oyster cased ones.Tudor are still a very important part of the Rolex history,and lets remember that some of the most now highly priced vintage Rolex watches are not powered by Rolex in-house movements.But with movements from ETA and Zenith,and nearly all Rolex watches had escapements and hairsprings made by Nivarox part of the now ETA GROUP.And quite a few countries chose the Tudor range for military use instead of its Rolex brother.The Tudor range IMHO are rightfully part of the Rolex line up and history in watches

All great points Padi56, I couldn't agree more.

[Spark]

Originally Posted by padi56

Well you could say that about Rolex perhaps they got there idea
for there Sub from the Blancpain 50 fathoms.

Peter,
How dare you suggest Rolex got the idea for the Sub from Blanpain you naughty, naughty man

That Tudor Monte-carlo is a real looker I just wish I hadn't missed the boat on it
I never thought the Tudor chrono's would appreciate so fast so left it too long.

[vukotab]

Tudors are made by Rolex,Tudors have an Oyster case by Rolex and Tudor`s quality is almost at the same level an Rolex`s.The difference is within the Oyster case.Tudors are powered with ETA or Valjoux movements that are not COSC certified.There`s nothing wrong with that,those are remarkable movements,especially Valjoux 7750 in Chronograph model.Tudor is positioned BELOW Rolex in company`s hierarchy,so it`s prices are far more reasonable then prices of Rolex.Some people consider Tudor as poor man`s Rolex.I own one of the vintage Tudor models(model very similar to OP Date) and I`m very happy with it`s accuracy.And looks,of course.

[TARDIS]

Like I said before..... what is the price difference?

[padi56]

Originally Posted by vukotab

Tudors are made by Rolex,Tudors have an Oyster case by Rolex and Tudor`s quality is almost at the same level an Rolex`s.The difference is within the Oyster case.Tudors are powered with ETA or Valjoux movements that are not COSC certified.There`s nothing wrong with that,those are remarkable movements,especially Valjoux 7750 in Chronograph model.Tudor is positioned BELOW Rolex in company`s hierarchy,so it`s prices are far more reasonable then prices of Rolex.Some people consider Tudor as poor man`s Rolex.I own one of the vintage Tudor models(model very similar to OP Date) and I`m very happy with it`s accuracy.And looks,of course.

Well looking proportionally with the movments submitted to the Swiss COSC and Rolex is the top.The most first time passes are from ETA Valjoux first the Cal 7750 then the ETA 2993-2.Rolex make very fine long lasting accurate movements but so do quite a few others.

[arttay10]

Originally Posted by padi56

Well you could say that about Rolex perhaps they got there idea
for there Sub from the Blancpain 50 fathoms.

Vintage Tudor Monte Carlo Chronograph ref 7159,now command telephone number prices,just a dial was sold quite recently sold for just over £700 dial alone.


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Very true Padi - I was looking at one of the 3 variations of the model - the asking price was $15,500 in pretty much mint condition without box/papers.

[Troy]

Mine is my avatar 7928 Tudor submariner

[robbyrolex]

they don't sell them here in the USA, is it possible to buy them from another country and have them shipped here?

I like the new models, the ETA 2824 used in the mens line is a good movement I had a 2824 powered watch and it kept great time.

[padi56]

Originally Posted by robbyrolex

I like the new models, the ETA 2824 used in the mens line is a good movement I had a 2824 powered watch and it kept great time.

Quite true and the 2824 comes in 5 grades the top grade is chronometer version 2824-2T.The one thats used in the Tudor
but not tested simply because of the COSC test fee, it costs around £100+ per bare movement.

[BlackpoolRolexCoaste]

Although the Tudor range are fine timepieces I think the majority of people who buy them actually hanker after a Rolex and from experience with other (non watch) brands I know you should ALWAYS go for what your heart really desires.
If you really desire a Tudor than go for it, you will not be dissapointed but if it is a Rolex you secretly desire, my advice is to wait a little longer.
Although the initial purchase may be higher you will actually lose less money that if you "trade up" at a later date.
Believe me I've dropped £0000's doing similar tricks with hi-fi!

[bagel]

I like tudor very much especially those vintage sports models .....

The layout of the dials of most of these sports models are just so unique, eye-catching and special such as the monte carlo series and the sub with square markers ....

My favorite are the monte carlo series ....

[TARDIS]

I give up.

[Gedanken]

What are you giving up on, Steve?

[Stratton]

The Tudor Oysters including the Submariners and Chronographs were fantastic value costing about a third of the equivalent Rolex.

[mcoccia]

Originally Posted by bagel

I like tudor very much especially those vintage sports models .....

The layout of the dials of most of these sports models are just so unique, eye-catching and special such as the monte carlo series and the sub with square markers ....

My favorite are the monte carlo series ....

Hi

I have a Tudor Chrono with the same dial as that shown in the top left corner. Purchased new with guarantee documents in 1983. The bezel was originally blue resin but this was replaced with a bezel identical to the centre watch by Rolex Australia after dropping the watch in approximately 1985. Would anyone like to comment about a likely value of this watch. Unfortunately I can't supply any pictures as the watch is now being serviced.

[bagel]

Originally Posted by mcoccia

Hi

I have a Tudor Chrono with the same dial as that shown in the top left corner. Purchased new with guarantee documents in 1983. The bezel was originally blue resin but this was replaced with a bezel identical to the centre watch by Rolex Australia after dropping the watch in approximately 1985. Would anyone like to comment about a likely value of this watch. Unfortunately I can't supply any pictures as the watch is now being serviced.

Do you mean the monte carlo with 2 registers on the dial and blue rotable bezel ? The ref no. is 7169/0. The was one sold in an auction last Nov at around USD 160K.

[ratae1950]

I own one of each but wear the Tudor daily. Being form merry olde England I like the name reference to its historic origins. One problem I find with the Tudor is that I am constantly be accosted by beautiful women when I wear it...................

[nyc toytimer]

The best thing about Tudor is that they make a mini sub to fit smaller wrists and a lady sub so the wife's watch will match(if you're into that).

[ttannert]

Does anyone know why they are not sold in the US?

[mcoccia]

Originally Posted by bagel

Do you mean the monte carlo with 2 registers on the dial and blue rotable bezel ? The ref no. is 7169/0. The was one sold in an auction last Nov at around USD 160K.

I wish. No I think mine is a 9421 and similar to the one shown in the top left hand side of the photo but with a SS bezel. I noticed there are a couple of monte carlo's of US ebay at the moment. Starting price is 21K and 28.5KUS.

[daveathall]

Here's the question then, if you had the money would you buy 1 Rolex or 2 Tudor? I bought a Sea Dweller and I cant swim! would I swap it for 2 Tudor watches? as nice as they are the answer is no.

Kudos is the word I think we are looking for.