Interesting feedback from AD about SS sports

[jack0]

Originally Posted by blada4life

seems that there is definitely a larger delivery of the BLNR and possibly not as extreme of a demand, which would explain the grey prices on this watch right now. Obviously its still much higher than retail but it definitely did not seem like he would have an issue allocating one. He also confirmed that they do receive 1-2 daytonas, 2-3 pepsi's and 3 or so subs (date/no date) each month. Whether they get grabbed by upper management before they hit his invoice slip is a different story, but the point is, the watches ARE getting delivered.

From gauging general incomings across various forums and talking to various ADs, I would agree that there has been a decent supply of BLNRs.

[liu_watch]

Originally Posted by WatchLurv

These threads make me chuckle just a little bit. The price decrease hasn't been caused by an increase in supply. It's the Chinese money that hasn't been able to reach its favourite destination. Same destination that determines the market price for what a BLNR Jubi, BLRO, Sub Date etc. goes for...

Any insights or evidence you want to share to reach that finding? That will put to rest these humorous threads.

[scurfa]

Originally Posted by johnjm

When you get the call, please refer me will you.

I don't have issues in waiting, at some point it will hit the three year mark where I'll be putting the pressure on and will get it. Force their hand if you will, because I called their bluff in the wait.

Only 16 months to go chuckle. That said I did get a Daytona in that amount of time for the same AD.

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If it was possible you could have it, I’ve bought a lot of watches from these shops since I was 18, the plan was a Pepsi then a new day date for my 50th but that’s been scrapped and now I’m waiting for a rose gold nautilus or the rose gold aquanaut travel time, what ever comes first, the last Rolex I got was a sub C date and a rose gold datejust for my wife, that was December 2017 and I waited six weeks for the sub, a years wait is realistic in some cases but any longer and I start looking at other things, the passion I had for Rolex is seriously dwindling.


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[johnjm]

Originally Posted by scurfa

If it was possible you could have it, I’ve bought a lot of watches from these shops since I was 18, the plan was a Pepsi then a new day date for my 50th but that’s been scrapped and now I’m waiting for a rose gold nautilus or the rose gold aquanaut travel time, what ever comes first, the last Rolex I got was a sub C date and a rose gold datejust for my wife, that was December 2017 and I waited six weeks for the sub, a years wait is realistic in some cases but any longer and I start looking at other things, the passion I had for Rolex is seriously dwindling.


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I sometimes get distracted too, but I always go back to rolex in the end. The current trend is going to stay, unless PM is the way to go. I am tempted sometimes, a white gold sub is so pretty.

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[absoluteczech]

I think location plays a factor. Hot markets like SoCal it's even harder to get. With lots of VIP's and areas where even kids can afford these watches the demand is even harder and makes the watches really hard to get unless you have a relationship. Maybe in smaller / quiter markets you can get lucky enough to get one

[ChipotleBanana]

Originally Posted by 007timer

I have not been able to buy a Rolex from any AD in the past 18 months. The last AD purchase was in 2016. There just isn’t enough inventory. They all have the same story. But your AD is getting 12 SS Daytona’s a year? That’s serious allocation. Most
AD’s are getting 2-3 a year. One AD I spoke to has not seen an SS Daytona since February of 2019, the other, not since December 2018.



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I can guarantee you that no dealer in the U.S.A is only getting 2-3 Daytona's per year. It doesn't make any sense to send that few model to a dealer. My AD receives them on a consistent basis.

[007timer]

Originally Posted by ChipotleBanana

I can guarantee you that no dealer in the U.S.A is only getting 2-3 Daytona's per year. It doesn't make any sense to send that few model to a dealer. My AD receives them on a consistent basis.

If they are getting all of this stock of SS Daytona’s, then why has there been such a shortage in delivering them to their customers. I know individuals with watch collections that are in the hundreds of thousands of dollars and one is still on a wait list from his AD that he spend at least $100,000 at in the past 5-6 years. Granted he only got on the list a year ago and he will not pay over MSRP. Still waiting.


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[WatchLurv]

Originally Posted by liu_watch

Any insights or evidence you want to share to reach that finding? That will put to rest these humorous threads.

Last time when I said I saw the shipments of watches between a period of 3 years ago and recently, this forum wanted photographic evidence straight from the AD's screen

Let's just say I have very close sources to the grey and AD world. I have my finger on the pulse and I get my watches for the market price currently traded at. Not the end-user and marked up prices on Chrono.

[DocJekl]

Originally Posted by scurfa

Bang on! I’ve been waiting on a Pepsi since Basel and called into the Patek AD to put a watch in to be serviced, I mentioned that I had been waiting a year and a half and they pointed out that the Rolex AD obviously didn’t consider me a good customer and you know what, they are right, I have completely lost interest in the Pepsi now.


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I used to feel the same way - even though I've bought a few watches from them I never got the call from either of my local AD after a year and a half (if you call a 1.5 hour drive local).

But, in my case I broke down this past April and traded a couple of watches for the Pepsi from a small-time flipper whom I've known for several years, and since it's a forever watch I don't mind paying the extra. While I actually made about $3000 on increased value over what I'd originally paid for my trades, I got about $2,000 less than current retail in value on them (but avoided being totally scammed by selling to strangers).

BTW, Off Topic - I just sent my brother a lovely Scurfa Diver One PVD Automatic today, as a gift for his birthday coming up in 2 weeks (one of 200 made). It runs +5 to +7 sec/day and I know he'll be very happy with it. The PVD finish was quite nice, and the sapphire crystal was a nice touch too.

I'm going to send him a NATO with a black and yellow color scheme for his Christmas stocking to go with it. It'll be due for a service in a couple of years, but he is poor so I'm planning to send him the money for that too.

Good Job!

[007timer]

Originally Posted by WatchLurv

Last time when I said I saw the shipments of watches between a period of 3 years ago and recently, this forum wanted photographic evidence straight from the AD's screen



Let's just say I have very close sources to the grey and AD world. I have my finger on the pulse and I get my watches for the market price currently traded at. Not the end-user and marked up prices on Chrono.

Any tips or suggestions to help would be appreciated.


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[WatchLurv]

Originally Posted by 007timer

Any tips or suggestions to help would be appreciated.


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Go to a watch trading show and you can be sure to get the best prices. Prices will deviate from 50-200 USD at most for Rolex watches. You will also get their WhatsApp/WeChat and the newest sales prices. They do "fire sales" sometimes where the numbers make sense if you're in the market for a model.

I like attending them as you get a good feel where the market is at and what's out there. I especially like to attend the one or two booths that hold 20+ RM's. I'm surprised I haven't drooled on their glass-box before.

[007timer]

Originally Posted by WatchLurv

Go to a watch trading show and you can be sure to get the best prices. Prices will deviate from 50-200 USD at most for Rolex watches. You will also get their WhatsApp/WeChat and the newest sales prices. They do "fire sales" sometimes where the numbers make sense if you're in the market for a model.

I like attending them as you get a good feel where the market is at and what's out there. I especially like to attend the one or two booths that hold 20+ RM's. I'm surprised I haven't drooled on their glass-box before.

Thanks!

I am in Southern California, any that you would recommend to visit or any to avoid?


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[djyolky]

Originally Posted by Robtayham

The AD’s message of ‘we only get 1 or 2 a year’ is their way of not telling you ‘actually we get these watches, but we decided not to sell them to you’.

That’s all.

In other words, it’s not the AD’s lack of inventory, it’s your status as a non-valued customer. That’s what they’re saying.

I believe this now.

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[WatchLurv]

Originally Posted by 007timer

Thanks!

I am in Southern California, any that you would recommend to visit or any to avoid?


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Only ones to visit are those hosted in Hong Kong. You see all the biggest grey dealers from around the world descend in that "hall". They're the guys that all the newbie Rolex purchasers "hate", but the same guys they loved 5 years ago (in terms of Rolex's only).

Watchtradingco (which has been posted here numerous times for their instagram-posts on Hulk, Daytona etc.) goes to that show every time.

[SkyJuice]

interesting...

[007timer]

Originally Posted by WatchLurv

Only ones to visit are those hosted in Hong Kong. You see all the biggest grey dealers from around the world descend in that "hall". They're the guys that all the newbie Rolex purchasers "hate", but the same guys they loved 5 years ago (in terms of Rolex's only).

Watchtradingco (which has been posted here numerous times for their instagram-posts on Hulk, Daytona etc.) goes to that show every time.

Thank you for the insight. I have seen the posts from Watchtradingco and they always seem to have a ton of watches.


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[L_S_SHOE]

For what it’s worth, I was in my AD the other day and expressed a general interest in a SS sub, GMT, etc. and was told not to worry, they’re coming. Was a change in tone at least, since most of the time all I hear is how impossible they are to get. I’m already in there on a semi regular basis anyway, so she had no reason to offer that unless it was a genuine belief.

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[daOnlyBG]

Originally Posted by L_S_SHOE

For what it’s worth, I was in my AD the other day and expressed a general interest in a SS sub, GMT, etc. and was told not to worry, they’re coming. Was a change in tone at least, since most of the time all I hear is how impossible they are to get. I’m already in there on a semi regular basis anyway, so she had no reason to offer that unless it was a genuine belief.

lol

[Seaward]

Originally Posted by inadeje

Its all a fallacy. I wanted a Hulk, CHNR and BLNR this year from my AD and I got them. I’ve also asked for a BLRO before xmas and have received a tentative promise. My AD knows that I keep my watches and, I also spend money on jewelry for my fiancé. If you stroll into an AD with no purchase history, 9 x out of 10 there’s 5 guys like me with purchase history asking and waiting for the watch you want. It would make zero commercial sense in any business to sell to the unknown buyer when you have people who truly spend $$$ waiting for the same piece. There are flukes, we’ve seen them on TRF “hey I walked in with no history and got a BLRO” but, I don’t buy it.

This

[YGRLX]

Can trust them. Rolex salesmen are the scum of the earth

[ArtNouveau]

Originally Posted by YGRLX

Can trust them. Rolex salesmen are the scum of the earth

Speak for yourself, I’ve always been treated well.

[Nairn1980]

Originally Posted by YGRLX

Can trust them. Rolex salesmen are the scum of the earth

Can trust them or can’t trust them?

[ahorvat]

Originally Posted by 007timer

I have not been able to buy a Rolex from any AD in the past 18 months. The last AD purchase was in 2016. There just isn’t enough inventory. They all have the same story. But your AD is getting 12 SS Daytona’s a year? That’s serious allocation. Most
AD’s are getting 2-3 a year. One AD I spoke to has not seen an SS Daytona since February of 2019, the other, not since December 2018.



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Which ADs are you going to? I haven’t had any issue buying the watches I want in the last 12 months. I even went in to my regular AD yesterday and told about 6 months for the White face Daytona. Which ADs are you going to? I work in OC and live in LA. The OC dealers are terrible. What watch are you looking for?

[Foxiness]

My AD received 6 BLRO's last month. My friend and I bought 1 each.

[mcnealstash]

Originally Posted by 007timer

I have not been able to buy a Rolex from any AD in the past 18 months. The last AD purchase was in 2016. There just isn’t enough inventory. They all have the same story. But your AD is getting 12 SS Daytona’s a year? That’s serious allocation. Most
AD’s are getting 2-3 a year. One AD I spoke to has not seen an SS Daytona since February of 2019, the other, not since December 2018.



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This is what the AD's are telling people who aren't dropping stacks at their stores. They get far more than 1-2 daytonas a year- they're just trying to make you not feel so bad.

[Aplover5]

Received a Subdate, CHNR, TT SD, James Cameron, and Batman in the last 12 months from my AD where I live in the winter. They said I’ll never get a Daytona or Skydweller. Last week I went north to my daughters wedding and stopped into the AD there to purchase an 214270, and this AD hasn’t had anything for me in years. The SA says “hold on I have something for you” and pulls out a Skydweller blue dial. Go figure.

[jlovda]

Originally Posted by Nikrnic

I never felt like any type of VIP, we just got along well and i only had a purchase history of 3 ss sports models prior...

You live in the TRF bubble. Most Rolex buyers only get one during their lifetime.

[007timer]

Originally Posted by ahorvat

Which ADs are you going to? I haven’t had any issue buying the watches I want in the last 12 months. I even went in to my regular AD yesterday and told about 6 months for the White face Daytona. Which ADs are you going to? I work in OC and live in LA. The OC dealers are terrible. What watch are you looking for?

I go into Rolex South Coast, Laguna Beach (nicest people in comparison), Swiss Watch in Brea, I bought from Gearys in BH in 2016 and nothing since. I have contacts at OC Tanner in SLC, UT and Las Vegas. I have my name down for a Daytona and I am #40 on the list now. Only moved up two slots in the last year.

I would be happy to add a 116610LV and the Daytona to my current set up. I have a feeling Basel 2020 will release a black/red GMT


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[007timer]

Originally Posted by mcnealstash

This is what the AD's are telling people who aren't dropping stacks at their stores. They get far more than 1-2 daytonas a year- they're just trying to make you not feel so bad.

Money wasn’t an issue. I was offered a bundle that included an all gold Daytona and others totaling 63,000. I agreed only if they would deliver them at the same time, they wouldn’t. So they know I am willing to make a purchase. But I am not willing to drop an enormous amount of money just to sit on the damn list. I want immediate delivery of the watch I want.


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[ArtNouveau]

Re: Daytona. When I asked my SA for a black dial Daytona in February he told me I was #14 on the list and expect it within a year. I got it last week in nine months. Big dealers get way more than 2-3 a year.