14060m dial variant, longer 30s tick

[bmb15]

Originally Posted by Sandpit

One of the interesting things about the Sub is the dial variations.

Fully agree and not only for the Submariners!
Several variants I can identify w/o loupes, don't know what "WIS types" means ... anyhow it echoes a bit negative, or? Not the first time I see this judgement... A wise-man reply will certainly appear soon.

[padi56]

Originally Posted by bmb15

Fully agree and not only for the Submariners!
Several variants I can identify w/o loupes, don't know what "WIS types" means ... anyhow it echoes a bit negative, or? Not the first time I see this judgement... A wise-man reply will certainly appear soon.

Not necessarily a person who knows a lot about watches, it more like the type of a person like the list below.

WIS = Watch Idiot Savant.



1.A person self trained to sleep in 5 positions while wearing his/her COSC certified chronometer in bed.

2.A person who opens the back of a new Patek on the first day of acquisition and hand winds the rotor to tighten up the main spring to save wear on using the winding crown.

3. A person who takes his 2000 meter water proof Rolex SD off from the wrist. And puts it into the deepest pocket, and nine plastic bags before walking into a rain storm without any rain gear on.

4.A person who waits every 5 minute in front of his radio controlled clock in order to adjust all his/her 14 mechanical watches to the accuracy within -2/+2 seconds per 24 hours.


5. A person who can memorises all serial numbers of the Rolex watches made in the past 60 years but keeps forgetting the wife's wedding anniversary.

6. A person who washes his/her watch in luxury shampoo,polishes with specially bought cloth,then rests it on another specially bought cloth just encase they scratch the stainless steel.

7. A person who buys loupes and microscopes to look for the miniscule differences on dials, and look for cats whisker size so called alignment point differences.

[Tikandtokalot]

Originally Posted by padi56

Not necessarily a person who knows a lot about watches, it more like the type of a person like the list below.

WIS = Watch Idiot Savant.



1.A person self trained to sleep in 5 positions while wearing his/her COSC certified chronometer in bed.

2.A person who opens the back of a new Patek on the first day of acquisition and hand winds the rotor to tighten up the main spring to save wear on using the winding crown.

3. A person who takes his 2000 meter water proof Rolex SD off from the wrist. And puts it into the deepest pocket, and nine plastic bags before walking into a rain storm without any rain gear on.

4.A person who waits every 5 minute in front of his radio controlled clock in order to adjust all his/her 14 mechanical watches to the accuracy within -2/+2 seconds per 24 hours.


5. A person who can memorises all serial numbers of the Rolex watches made in the past 60 years but keeps forgetting the wife's wedding anniversary.

6. A person who washes his/her watch in luxury shampoo,polishes with specially bought cloth,then rests it on
another specially bought cloth just encase they scratch the stainless steel.

7. A person who buys loupes and microscopes to look for the miniscule differences on dials, and look for cats whisker so called alignment point differences.

Say it like it is.

[fskywalker]

Originally Posted by padi56

Not necessarily a person who knows a lot about watches, it more like the type of a person like the list below.

WIS = Watch Idiot Savant.



1.A person self trained to sleep in 5 positions while wearing his/her COSC certified chronometer in bed.

2.A person who opens the back of a new Patek on the first day of acquisition and hand winds the rotor to tighten up the main spring to save wear on using the winding crown.

3. A person who takes his 2000 meter water proof Rolex SD off from the wrist. And puts it into the deepest pocket, and nine plastic bags before walking into a rain storm without any rain gear on.

4.A person who waits every 5 minute in front of his radio controlled clock in order to adjust all his/her 14 mechanical watches to the accuracy within -2/+2 seconds per 24 hours.


5. A person who can memorises all serial numbers of the Rolex watches made in the past 60 years but keeps forgetting the wife's wedding anniversary.

6. A person who washes his/her watch in luxury shampoo,polishes with specially bought cloth,then rests it on another specially bought cloth just encase they scratch the stainless steel.

7. A person who buys loupes and microscopes to look for the miniscule differences on dials, and look for cats whisker size so called alignment point differences.

Brilliant Padi!


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[bmb15]

Originally Posted by padi56

Well seeing once dials were made in 3 different factories,but now all owned by Rolex, there always have and always will be tiny dial variations.But noticed today mainly by the WIS types with high magnification loupes etc.

Originally Posted by padi56

Not necessarily a person who knows a lot about watches, it more like the type of a person like the list below.

WIS = Watch Idiot Savant.

1.A person self trained to sleep in 5 positions while wearing his/her COSC certified chronometer in bed.

2.A person who opens the back of a new Patek on the first day of acquisition and hand winds the rotor to tighten up the main spring to save wear on using the winding crown.

3. A person who takes his 2000 meter water proof Rolex SD off from the wrist. And puts it into the deepest pocket, and nine plastic bags before walking into a rain storm without any rain gear on.

4.A person who waits every 5 minute in front of his radio controlled clock in order to adjust all his/her 14 mechanical watches to the accuracy within -2/+2 seconds per 24 hours.

5. A person who can memorises all serial numbers of the Rolex watches made in the past 60 years but keeps forgetting the wife's wedding anniversary.

6. A person who washes his/her watch in luxury shampoo,polishes with specially bought cloth,then rests it on another specially bought cloth just encase they scratch the stainless steel.

7. A person who buys loupes and microscopes to look for the miniscule differences on dials, and look for cats whisker size so called alignment point differences.

Great "contributions", padi56, laughing my ass off. Thanks for sharing this definition.

Unfortunately, it has zero added value to the content of the OP's thread. You are kindly (!) invited to think about that, no offense!



Meanwhile you might be able to provide your personal definition for somebody who is NOT a "WIS" but interested in dial details? Like me, the OP (he is new to this forum!), many other experts and also beginners. Does that exist within your watch horizon? 



Do not stiffen, enjoy! It's only a forum.

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Addendum to the padi56 WIS story:

One can laugh and share about this WIS examples, yes, no doubt, it's funny.

BUT, what I find inacceptable is to post it in such a thread.
If somebody has no intention to help the OP, then better post nothing!

I receive that WIS reply (not seen for the first time) from padi56 as very arrogant and demotivating, especially for people who search for help, as the OP does here.

I try to help and share my experience, also for this 14060M dial question, which I find appropriate and interesting, much better than many other posts, e.g. how to remove stickers from new watches.

But I cannot help if politeness of a so-called "TRF Moderator & HARRODS SGE Giveaway Patron" with about 46k posts is not his priority.

Of course, that's only my personal perception.

[bmb15]

@OP, that's my 14060M. Apart what was already mentioned before, it also differs from yours in the = symbol. You can see that w/o a loupe

[oniugnam]

Thank you all for your comments. I believe this has been a very interesting discussion, and I have learned a lot and got even more interested about the Sub details and variants.
I agree a longer marker or font variation is not a ultra important matter. We are all just really trying to enjoy what is on our wrists.
But I’ve started my thread because I couldn’t find any actual discussions on this particular longer mark and because of that I had concerns about authenticity.
This could be resolved by just send watch to be Authenticate (and I’m still planning to do that of course), but discussion with other owners and enthusiasts is something I particularly enjoy.
Other point why understand this dial variation is important to me is that if I ever decided to sell my watch I want to make sure I’m not passing along a bogus watch and that I also know how to answer potencial buyers questions.
We all here love watches and we must always try to keep used marketplace as safe as possible. Knowledge is a good weapon for that.
Again, great discussion! Thank you all for insights and pics. I’m glad I joined the forum and opened the thread.

[Gimoozaabi]

Originally Posted by bmb15

@OP, that's my 14060M. Apart what was already mentioned before, it also differs from yours in the = symbol. You can see that w/o a loupe

bmb15, it appears that there are numerous dial and bezel variations of the two liner 14060M. We shall focus on the F series as the OP has one. My F 14060 looks exactly the same sans the 30 seconds tick which is larger and almost touches the index at 6 o'clock. I will try to get more decent pictures from my phone. Unfortunately most of the pics on my current device are transferred and for some reason the quality is really low.

I don't think that the OP watch is a fake, it could have a dial variant which is not so common. He might try also looking at Chrono24 or other sites for listed 14060m F series to find that exact dial variant.

Again, some pics of mine F series (tapatalk additionally crunches the quality):

[ronricks]

Rolex is constantly making font changes on their dials. This has been happening for 50 years. It’s not unusual.

[Tools]

Originally Posted by bmb15

Interesting, the long tic variants. Links to long 30 s tic dials are given in this thread. Thanks Dustin, I learned something.

@Tools, can you post photos with long 3 s, and 5 s tic dials? The long tics exist for both, 14060m 2-liner and 4 liner? "and the list goes on" means what exactly?

Your own post #17 shows both a 3 tic, and a 5 tic dial variant.

There are several other variants in the "list". f's, and = signs, m's with and without tails, spacing between symbols, alignment of the various letters.

Every variant does not indicate a non-authentic dial, only another entry on the "list".

[bmb15]

Originally Posted by Tools

Your own post #17 shows both a 3 tic, and a 5 tic dial variant.

There are several other variants in the "list". f's, and = signs, m's with and without tails, spacing between symbols, alignment of the various letters.

Every variant does not indicate a non-authentic dial, only another entry on the "list".

Thanks a lot for your kind reply…

The differences in fonts, sizes, spaces the S, 1, f, =, m ..... (as we see in #17) I knew.

Obviously, I don’t know what 14060M 3 tic and 5 tic dial variants means.

Always curious to learn, can you please explain?

[bmb15]

Originally Posted by ronricks

Rolex is constantly making font changes on their dials. This has been happening for 50 years. It’s not unusual.

Exactly this!

[bmb15]

Originally Posted by Tools

Your own post #17 shows both a 3 tic, and a 5 tic dial variant.

Obviously, I don’t know what 14060M 3 tic and 5 tic dial variants means. Always curious to learn, can you please explain?

[-dustin]

Originally Posted by bmb15

Obviously, I don’t know what 14060M 3 tic and 5 tic dial variants means. Always curious to learn, can you please explain?

number shorty lines under "Swiss Made" at 6 o'clock. 3 or 5...

[bmb15]

Originally Posted by -dustin

number shorty lines under "Swiss Made" at 6 o'clock. 3 or 5...

Many thanks. Got it, could also say lines left of 'SWISS' and right of 'MADE' are long and not short lines. Learned something.

[SN13]

I found the same Long Tick variant on an EBAY sale.

Don't know if I can post a direct link to the sale but you can search:

"Rolex Submariner 14060M No Date 2-Liner "Flat 4" - F Serial ~2004"

[Nkun]

It's okay to be concerned

[ronricks]

Originally Posted by padi56

Not necessarily a person who knows a lot about watches, it more like the type of a person like the list below.

WIS = Watch Idiot Savant.



1.A person self trained to sleep in 5 positions while wearing his/her COSC certified chronometer in bed.

2.A person who opens the back of a new Patek on the first day of acquisition and hand winds the rotor to tighten up the main spring to save wear on using the winding crown.

3. A person who takes his 2000 meter water proof Rolex SD off from the wrist. And puts it into the deepest pocket, and nine plastic bags before walking into a rain storm without any rain gear on.

4.A person who waits every 5 minute in front of his radio controlled clock in order to adjust all his/her 14 mechanical watches to the accuracy within -2/+2 seconds per 24 hours.


5. A person who can memorises all serial numbers of the Rolex watches made in the past 60 years but keeps forgetting the wife's wedding anniversary.

6. A person who washes his/her watch in luxury shampoo,polishes with specially bought cloth,then rests it on another specially bought cloth just encase they scratch the stainless steel.

7. A person who buys loupes and microscopes to look for the miniscule differences on dials, and look for cats whisker size so called alignment point differences.

Cheers Padi! This post made my day.

[koryong]

Originally Posted by padi56

Not necessarily a person who knows a lot about watches, it more like the type of a person like the list below.

WIS = Watch Idiot Savant.



1.A person self trained to sleep in 5 positions while wearing his/her COSC certified chronometer in bed.

2.A person who opens the back of a new Patek on the first day of acquisition and hand winds the rotor to tighten up the main spring to save wear on using the winding crown.

3. A person who takes his 2000 meter water proof Rolex SD off from the wrist. And puts it into the deepest pocket, and nine plastic bags before walking into a rain storm without any rain gear on.

4.A person who waits every 5 minute in front of his radio controlled clock in order to adjust all his/her 14 mechanical watches to the accuracy within -2/+2 seconds per 24 hours.


5. A person who can memorises all serial numbers of the Rolex watches made in the past 60 years but keeps forgetting the wife's wedding anniversary.

6. A person who washes his/her watch in luxury shampoo,polishes with specially bought cloth,then rests it on another specially bought cloth just encase they scratch the stainless steel.

7. A person who buys loupes and microscopes to look for the miniscule differences on dials, and look for cats whisker size so called alignment point differences.

20 years from now, there’ll be comprehensive data on 14060 dial variations, just like what’s been done with the 5513.