14060m dial variant, longer 30s tick

[oniugnam]

Hi,

I’m new to the forum. Mostly joined seeking help with a question. After browsing the forum around for a few weeks, I’ve could not find an answer so I’m starting a thread.

I’ve searching around and could not find any 14060m with this same dial variation as mine. Note that the 30s marker is long and almost touches the hour mark. Does anyone ever seen a dial like that?
Should I be concern about something suspicious with my dial?
This is a F serial.

[artschool]

where did you get the watch?

[oniugnam]

Originally Posted by artschool

where did you get the watch?

Thanks for the reply.
I’ve bought it a couple year ago from a known online shop. They were selling it as NOS, what itself sound suspicious. Box and no papers.
Not sure if I can post the name here per forum rules.

[Jagamov]

Here’s mine if this helps.

14060M F serial number bought new at an AD.

[fskywalker]

Originally Posted by oniugnam

Thanks for the reply.

I’ve bought it a couple year ago from a known online shop. They were selling it as NOS, what itself sound suspicious. Box and no papers.

Not sure if I can post the name here per forum rules.

That does look strange. Would
suggest to have it authenticated just in case


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[Jagamov]

Also, looking at mine, the spacing between “Oyster” and “Perpetual” is different. Yours are closer together.

[csaltphoto]

A bit of internet searching turned up this image and example. Says it has papers. Also an F serial.

https://tempvswatches.com/products/r...-14060m-papers

[oniugnam]

Originally Posted by Jagamov

Here’s mine if this helps.

14060M F serial number bought new at an AD.

Thanks!
It indeed looks different. Not only the 30s tick but also font of SUBMARINER. Specially the S

[Rick_Nashville]

Originally Posted by fskywalker

That does look strange. Would suggest to have it authenticated just in case. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Pro

As suggested here by fskywalker, I would have it authenticated by a Rolex-certified technician. It's a revered watch among Rolex divers, so do it for for your own peace of mind.

[oniugnam]

Originally Posted by Rick_Nashville

As suggested here by fskywalker, I would have it authenticated by a Rolex-certified technician. It's a revered watch among Rolex divers, so do it for for your own peace of mind.

Yes. That is what I would do.
If not 100% authentic, there would probably not much I could do to recover the loss as watch was bought a while ago. But, if at some point I decided to sell the watch I do not want to risk passing along a Franken/fake.

[SDREW22]

I have an F serial 14060m and the 30 marker does not look like this.

[Mr. Drunmond]

You are right to be concerned.

[szabo_martin]

The S on Submariner looks odd.. more like a Z

[-dustin]

https://www.rolexforums.com/showthread.php?t=767107

similar tick

https://www.rolexforums.com/showthread.php?t=763993

another

[Guybrush]

Both of those also have the unusual (?) S in Submariner too, as does this one, which someone just suggested was fake:

https://www.rolexforums.com/showthread.php?t=767510

Is that S an indicator?—or is it potentially legit?

[oniugnam]

Thank you all for the insights.
After all, it seems mine is not the only odd ball. The ones that csaltphoto and -dustin showed look exactly like mine (not only the ticks but the font and spacing on dial and bezel). And all are F serials.
This means to me that, at least, it is not a matter of a paint job dial. So maybe it's an actual legit dial, not so common variant or (my nightmare) a fake.

I will have the watch authenticated. What is the best approach for that? Independent Rolex watchmaker? AD? Send it for service at RSC?
I'm afraid that if we cannot reach a firm conclusion in this forum that has so many experts, a local watchmaker may also not be able to.

[bmb15]

The 14060M two-liners exist with a rounded and a zigzag Submariner "S".

The "f” (feet) and "1" (1000) are also different.

The white 30 s marker between SWISS and MADE are both short!

To answer OP's question: I have never seen such a long 30 s marker as on your dial

[bmb15]

OP: can you make a photo of your dial using UV light? Maybe you can see some modifications of the 30 s marker, or anything else.

[oniugnam]

Good Idea. I do not have a UV light. But will try to get one for checking.

I've check it with a 10x jewelry loupe. I'm no expert at all, but based on what I can see this longer 30s marker looks exactly the same as the seconds marker that are placed at full hours (e.g. 25s, 35s, etc). Same thickness, color and length. These 5x second markers are a bit more tick than the others (24s, 26s, etc..), as seen in the first pic bmb15 just posted.

It does not seem to me a refinished dial. And if it's fake, it's not evidently poorly made. So why the faker would use such longer mark? This is intriguing me.

[SDREW22]

I don't think it's fake. Move this thread to the "watch out" section. The experts will give you an answer quickly.

[bmb15]

Try do compare the text of your dial in detail with others dials using PowerPoint where you place the two texts over each other

[bmb15]

Originally Posted by SDREW22

I don't think it's fake. Move this thread to the "watch out" section. The experts will give you an answer quickly.

What we are doing here?

[oniugnam]

Originally Posted by SDREW22

I don't think it's fake. Move this thread to the "watch out" section. The experts will give you an answer quickly.

I thought the "watch out" session was just for pieces that are actively on sale or any member's buying issues so they could alert others.

I can sure move thread if that is the most adequate place for the discussion. How do I do it? Just open a new thread there and point a link to this ongoing discussion?

[Gimoozaabi]

Another F 14060m. Flat four bezel - check. Zigzag 'S' - check. The only thing that differs is the marker at 30'. I wouldn't be concerned on you place. Did you checked the movement? Did you checked the laser etched crown on the crystal?

[breitlings]

Originally Posted by oniugnam

I thought the "watch out" session was just for pieces that are actively on sale or any member's buying issues so they could alert others.

I can sure move thread if that is the most adequate place for the discussion. How do I do it? Just open a new thread there and point a link to this ongoing discussion?

Watch out can also identify fakes for u as well, or sometimes, fake parts on a real watch. An amazing resource provided by crowd sourcing experts such as C&C and more

If needed a mod will help move it.

[Tools]

There is nothing wrong with your dial.

Flat S and long tic marks are not unusual variants, there are also 3 tic, and 5 tic dials, and the list goes on.

[bmb15]

Originally Posted by Tools

There is nothing wrong with your dial.

Flat S and long tic marks are not unusual variants, there are also 3 tic, and 5 tic dials, and the list goes on.

Interesting, the long tic variants. Links to long 30 s tic dials are given in this thread. Thanks Dustin, I learned something.

@Tools, can you post photos with long 3 s, and 5 s tic dials? The long tics exist for both, 14060m 2-liner and 4 liner? "and the list goes on" means what exactly?

[Ihatecheese]

Looks similar to mine. I’m sure there are quite a few tiny variations throughout its long tenure. Hopefully it’s real and Rolex could help with that ! Certainly easier to judge in person than by photos.

[padi56]

Originally Posted by Ihatecheese

Looks similar to mine. I’m sure there are quite a few tiny variations throughout its long tenure. Hopefully it’s real and Rolex could help with that ! Certainly easier to judge in person than by photos.

Well seeing once dials were made in 3 different factories,but now all owned by Rolex, there always have and always will be tiny dial variations.But noticed today mainly by the WIS types with high magnification loupes etc.

[Sandpit]

One of the interesting things about the Sub is the dial variations. I noticed on mine that the spacing was different to most others I’d seen online. I had a gap at 300m. It got me going very briefly.

Turns out it was a dial variation at the end of the run just as the new ceramic sub was introduced.