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Johny · 20 June 2011, 05:38 AM

thank you richard. dont like the sound of forcing it on with the thinner spring bars. wonder if that is the case with the one in the shop? when looking through the sub lugholes can you see the holes in the sels? is it that close?

rms · 20 June 2011, 05:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Johny

thank you richard. dont like the sound of forcing it on with the thinner spring bars. wonder if that is the case with the one in the shop? when looking through the sub lugholes can you see the holes in the sels? is it that close?

Yep. It is that close.

Nalk7 · 20 June 2011, 05:47 AM

I was looking forward to see if it was possible.Great info and thanks for sharing Richard!

Johny · 20 June 2011, 05:57 AM

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Originally Posted by rms

Yep. It is that close.

in that case i could file the sels.

RolexWatcher · 20 June 2011, 06:56 AM

Richard (rms) that was an EXCELLENT post!

slevin kelevra · 20 June 2011, 05:23 PM

Thanks for taking the time to do the test.

Appreciated!

travisb · 20 June 2011, 06:28 PM

I do like the look though.

stockae92 · 21 June 2011, 02:24 AM

thanks for doing the test. :-)

dnagwhogas · 22 June 2011, 12:42 AM

Excellent examples rms! Thank you taking the time to demonstrate the difference!

Just an update:
I went back to the D (not AD) and told him that I'd like to take a look at the watch.
Here are my observations:
Band is a 93250.
SEL has no "slots".
The shop owner couldn't tell me what "year" it is since it didn't come with any warranty papers. (I so want to get a toothpick....but the guy might kick me out of his shop)
I turned the crown clockwise and the hands turned counter clockwise. This would clearly be a sign of a fake rolex if it was a MODERN one, but I am not sure about the 3000 movements. Do the hands turn clockwise too when you turn the crown clockwise with 3000 movements?

I took some more photos.....

Your thoughts guys?

dnagwhogas · 22 June 2011, 12:52 AM

Bump

rms · 22 June 2011, 01:06 AM

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Originally Posted by dnagwhogas

SEL has no "slots".
I turned the crown clockwise and the hands turned counter clockwise.

I don't believe Rolex has made any SELs without slots, and I'm sure the Rolex Cal.3130 does not turn CCW.

Thanks for following up.

Richard

hennabav · 22 June 2011, 01:14 AM

It is not original to the watch. No date Subs did not have SEL bracelets and still don't.

Johny · 22 June 2011, 01:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dnagwhogas

Excellent examples rms! Thank you taking the time to demonstrate the difference!

Just an update:
I went back to the D (not AD) and told him that I'd like to take a look at the watch.
Here are my observations:
Band is a 93250.
SEL has no "slots".
The shop owner couldn't tell me what "year" it is since it didn't come with any warranty papers. (I so want to get a toothpick....but the guy might kick me out of his shop)
I turned the crown clockwise and the hands turned counter clockwise. This would clearly be a sign of a fake rolex if it was a MODERN one, but I am not sure about the 3000 movements. Do the hands turn clockwise too when you turn the crown clockwise with 3000 movements?

I took some more photos.....

Your thoughts guys?

fascinating. wonder if it has been forced on with the thinner spring bars as richard suggested?

rms · 22 June 2011, 01:24 AM

Did anyone else notice the part about turning the crown clockwise and the movement turning counterclockwise? Also, the caseback looks all wrong to me. This watch is a fake.

dnagwhogas · 22 June 2011, 01:48 AM

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Originally Posted by rms

Did anyone else notice the part about turning the crown clockwise and the movement turning counterclockwise? Also, the caseback looks all wrong to me. This watch is a fake.

I thought of that because of the CW crown/CCW movement. Because the newer 14060M has the 3130 movements and it goes CW crown/CW movement, I am not sure about the older 14060 that has the 3000 movement. Does the 3000 movement turn CCW if you turn the crown CW? The caseback looks goofy to me too but I'm hoping someone could shed some light on this. Oh and by the way, the shop was asking $4000 USD for the watch box no papers...not that I'm going to buy it.

TattooedGQ · 22 June 2011, 01:59 AM

I just tested my X 16610, and CCW turns CCW & Vice Versa

subtona · 22 June 2011, 02:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dnagwhogas

Excellent examples rms! Thank you taking the time to demonstrate the difference!

Just an update:
I went back to the D (not AD) and told him that I'd like to take a look at the watch.
Here are my observations:
Band is a 93250.
SEL has no "slots".
The shop owner couldn't tell me what "year" it is since it didn't come with any warranty papers. (I so want to get a toothpick....but the guy might kick me out of his shop)
I turned the crown clockwise and the hands turned counter clockwise. This would clearly be a sign of a fake rolex if it was a MODERN one, but I am not sure about the 3000 movements. Do the hands turn clockwise too when you turn the crown clockwise with 3000 movements?

I took some more photos.....

Your thoughts guys?

*i believe the rotation of the 3000 movement is correct as you found it.
*i have posted pics in this thread of the same bracelet... SEL "no slots"

the bracelet appears authentic, but not original to that watch 99% certain.

the price is too high, you can do better here.

20 June 2011, 05:38 AM	#61
Johny "TRF" Member Join Date: Mar 2010 Real Name: john Location: Scotland Watch: sub 16610Lv Posts: 13,523	thank you richard. dont like the sound of forcing it on with the thinner spring bars. wonder if that is the case with the one in the shop? when looking through the sub lugholes can you see the holes in the sels? is it that close? __________________ "AFTER DARK" BAR AND NIGHT CLUB GM.

20 June 2011, 06:28 PM	#67
travisb 2024 SubLV41 Pledge Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Real Name: Travis Location: FL / NYC Watch: Yes.. Posts: 33,489	Definately not original. I do like the look though.

22 June 2011, 12:42 AM	#69
dnagwhogas "TRF" Member Join Date: Sep 2010 Real Name: MauiBacerdo Location: Chicago Watch: N :Learn Posts: 902	Excellent examples rms! Thank you taking the time to demonstrate the difference! Just an update: I went back to the D (not AD) and told him that I'd like to take a look at the watch. Here are my observations: Band is a 93250. SEL has no "slots". The shop owner couldn't tell me what "year" it is since it didn't come with any warranty papers. (I so want to get a toothpick....but the guy might kick me out of his shop) I turned the crown clockwise and the hands turned counter clockwise. This would clearly be a sign of a fake rolex if it was a MODERN one, but I am not sure about the 3000 movements. Do the hands turn clockwise too when you turn the crown clockwise with 3000 movements? I took some more photos..... Your thoughts guys? __________________ P-Club Member # 7 Time is what prevents everything from happening at once.

22 June 2011, 12:52 AM	#70
dnagwhogas "TRF" Member Join Date: Sep 2010 Real Name: MauiBacerdo Location: Chicago Watch: N :Learn Posts: 902	Bump __________________ P-Club Member # 7 Time is what prevents everything from happening at once.

22 June 2011, 01:24 AM	#74
rms "TRF" Member Join Date: Feb 2011 Real Name: Richard Location: Europe Watch: The one I have on Posts: 273	Did anyone else notice the part about turning the crown clockwise and the movement turning counterclockwise? Also, the caseback looks all wrong to me. This watch is a fake. __________________ 14060M - 16610 - 16710 - 16234 - 16570(x2) - 116400GV - IW323300 - PAM292 - SKX779K

20 June 2011, 05:47 AM	#63
Nalk7 "TRF" Member Join Date: Oct 2010 Real Name: Miguel Location: East Lansing MI Watch: 114270,5508,124060 Posts: 562	I was looking forward to see if it was possible.Great info and thanks for sharing Richard!

20 June 2011, 06:56 AM	#65
RolexWatcher "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Real Name: Vincent Location: LON HKG SYD Posts: 1,236	Richard (rms) that was an EXCELLENT post!

20 June 2011, 05:23 PM	#66
slevin kelevra "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Scotland Watch: 14060m Posts: 631	Thanks for taking the time to do the test. Appreciated!

21 June 2011, 02:24 AM	#68
stockae92 2024 Pledge Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Socal Posts: 4,962	thanks for doing the test. :-)

22 June 2011, 01:14 AM	#72
hennabav Banned Join Date: Mar 2009 Real Name: Jon Location: New England Watch: --Rolex-- Posts: 2,391	It is not original to the watch. No date Subs did not have SEL bracelets and still don't.

22 June 2011, 01:59 AM	#76
TattooedGQ "TRF" Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Real Name: Justin Location: NY, USA Watch: yo self! Posts: 2,686	I just tested my X 16610, and CCW turns CCW & Vice Versa __________________ That boy's got the Devil in him. Rolex: I think I'm up to 9?? Omega: Got a few of those too. Breitling: And some of these.

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